SymBiotics (U.S. domestic)

[Masterofron]

If they didn’t bring the package how does he know it was a Florida return address ? He said he had other orders that were legit addresses ...

Informed delivery tells us all.

 

[blvck]

They don’t detain you for this, Jesus Christ it’s not a hard concept to grasp. They need to know more about the source, they do this to buyers to A) save money (if you “know” something” about the package then it saves them time and effort digging up the source, and B) if it’s not already opened it saves them money and time because then they don’t need to go get a warrant for the PO inspector to open it. I have zero idea if they were telling me the truth or pressing me for the info about them “knowing the contents”, but it sure as fuck sounds like they knew exactly what was inside.

My proof is in the tracking number. More proof will manifest soon as I know at least one other members package was due for delivery yesterday, but prior to that his tracking showed zero movement. He still has not received it. I’ll send the tracking to symbiotics once his email isn’t compromised, assuming it is.

How could they possibly detain me when they have zero proof I ordered anything? That’s not why they do these visits in domestic cases... @SymBiotics feel free to let me know your email so you can review the tracking status of my package, due for delivery on the 17th, stuck on “awaiting arrival scan” until the they showed up, and now “destroyed/headed to lost mail collection”.

Actually the reason i asked the question was simply because they didn't bring any evidence and managed to question you. Usually they would do a controlled delivery, add pressure and get you to rat out everything you know, so yes it is quite a hard concept to grasp. If they had no evidence, they have no grounds to even be near your property, question you, etc so it is kind of weird to show up at a "buyers" house without the package in hand. However, like you said - your proof is in the tracking and i'm sure everything will come to light soon enough and this might just be a special situation. Understand that everybody has doubts with both sides because of the recent shit that has been going down on the forums.. no personal attack on you at all.. so relax.

 

[phenominal34]

Informed delivery tells us all.

Gotcha [emoji1303] wasn’t sure

 

[Infidel357]

Guys it’s the feds. Since when do the feds do anything that makes sense? Local le won’t be involved at all because it’s postal (federal). Then it’s just gear not a brick of cocaine. Stop watching vice, cops, and any other shit on t.v. Feds won’t prosecute users it’s a waste of time unless they know the user is holding more information that is credible. Making a big stink out of this isn’t helping anything. Either you buy or you don’t that’s it.

 

[Krazyhippy]

I am confused why some members have tracking numbers. He doesnt provide tracking numbers. I am curious why you had one and were tracking your package.

 

[napaulm]

what about po boxes. if its sent there, do they THEN do controlled, but how they gonna know when you will show up?
overtime pay for a fed to sit there day after day?
or do they come to your home address and knock on yr door whether or not you tried to pick it up?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I am confused why some members have tracking numbers. He doesnt provide tracking numbers. I am curious why you had one and were tracking your package.

You don’t need a tracking number for informed delivery. It gives you updates for all of the packages going to your address.

 

[Skorecese]

It’s not the hackers fault it’s the fact this guy has no business in running an illegal business he has no place in this industry and should stick to testing my toilet water

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

It’s not the hackers fault it’s the fact this guy has no business in running an illegal business he has no place in this industry and should stick to testing my toilet water

Yea. He’s gone. I don’t think he has the stomach for this. I’m sure hearing about a postal inspector made this all too REAL for @SymBiotics and he’s going to pack it all up and do it some other way. Most likely go back to being a contract brewer for another lab.

 

[SirPuFFaLoT]

I am confused why some members have tracking numbers. He doesnt provide tracking numbers. I am curious why you had one and were tracking your package.

https://informeddelivery.usps.com/ (informeddelivery.usps.com)

 

[MaskedLiberty]

I have zero involvement here, I just hope everyone is cleaning house.

 

[Masterofron]

what about po boxes. if its sent there, do they THEN do controlled, but how they gonna know when you will show up?
overtime pay for a fed to sit there day after day?
or do they come to your home address and knock on yr door whether or not you tried to pick it up?

Well your confusing a friendly federal agent visit with a controlled delivery. In the event of both, they will do something weird like leave a slip or something on your door. Then if you inquire about it they will actually just get you over the phone with the “ hello this is the lost package center, confirm yadada, alright now stay in the line. We just want details then we will leave you be”. I’ve seen this happen before, or they’ve paid a visit in person, but if your not home they actually do it by phone because they are federal agents and do not give a flying fuck about us. @Infidel357 you have the most logical opinion on this by far. They weren’t there to arrest me either way. It’s a federal case they are working on, I’m a local guy who ordered less than $300 worth of shit. These aren’t the police, they don’t have ticket quotas and are visiting just so they can book you. If anything that ADDS to their workload.

If it’s a controlled delivery, you fucked up and your probably in for a bigger situation. This could happen domestically I suppose, but they would need it to be for a big enough reason, and the case would be about you, not the source. I’ve only ever read about domestic controlled deliveries being done when schedule 1 drugs or a massive amount of schedule 2 drugs are caught in the mail. DNM vendors or resellers, etc. cocaine, meth, etc. or the most common controlled delivery you hear about is the the almighty UGL killer- the international one, where customs catches ya with a plethora of illegal shit then shows up at your door, probably with a squad of local police ready to take you in.

If I am not wrong, their needs be a certain amount of officers present, including a sheriff. I highly highly doubt that the sheriff and his team of donut mongerers were hiding in my stairwell while this agent was talking with me... Thank you @Infidel357 , I am seriously over this thread. I’ll be back once more people report back on their current order statuses. And yeh, nobody knows how they operate, but we can read and see how they’ve operated in the past with many other similar scenarios, which I’ve done thoroughly. There’s no method set in stone and they are smart as shit when it comes to this type of stuff. If the goal is you, then you need to be worth their time and money and effort. If the goal is your source and they still give ya a visit, they probably know before hand that they won’t get much of any information. But they know what they caught in the mail and any info possible is a lead in their case, even something like the sources email address, etc.

Go search for cases similar, their a pain in the ass to find but there’s plenty of examples that give you an idea of what they do, stop watching cops lol.

 

[Masterofron]

I have zero involvement here, I just hope everyone is cleaning house.

I mopped the floors on purpose in case they come back, I even scrubbed my baseboards too. Whole house smells like pine sol.

 

[SirPuFFaLoT]

what about po boxes. if its sent there, do they THEN do controlled, but how they gonna know when you will show up?
overtime pay for a fed to sit there day after day?
or do they come to your home address and knock on yr door whether or not you tried to pick it up?

You guys are getting way to paranoid. Feds aren't going to knock down anyone's door over a vial of test-300.

As others have already said, if you are ever asked about a package simply deny knowledge of the contents. Once the inspector leaves your driveway, hop back on Meso and place an order with a new supplier.

 

[jackmeoff1]

My email has been compromised, evidently through iOS. Search for "iPhone messenger hack": it was new news at the beginning of this month.
I got an email last week demanding $2500 in bitcoin. I didn't even have $2500 to give the guy; so I just ignored it. All of my money went to new raw materials.
It's not my return addresses that is the problem. It is completely legitimate. I ship from places on my way through from home to the field sites. It isn't near my home; otherwise I wouldn't be up so early every morning.
There is no way I'd ship from my local office.
Search the internet for using return addresses different from the shipping city. The radius is 200 miles or different time zones. All return addresses are legitimate physical addresses; but they aren't my house. It is very common for ebay businesses. I studied this before I began.
I can't track any packages because I lost the 2FA with iPhone and I can't get into my email since about 1PM.
This package was probably reported by whomever took over my device because of the email that the postage site sends after label creation.
I will refund anyone who does not get a package.

My 2FA is inoperable here too; so it is probably only a matter of time until this account is worthless.

This was intentional and was done by a bad person.
I will create another account to reimburse any people who suffer a loss because of this.
I did not know this much unbridled laziness existed in which someone would resort to potential ruin of lives over $2500 that a man did not possess to begin with.
This is my last post from this account.
I'm sorry, but I did not do this. I am not capable of malice of this magnitude; and I am now temporarily inoperable.

Someone, please end this hacking foolishness.

You shouldn’t have been doing this business from your iphone my man.

Learn TAILS , change packaging, get new drops and get back on the horse my man.

If it makes you feel any better packs get picked off all the time in the weed game (smell makes it hard) . It ain’t no big thing .

But start using a VPN for Christ sake. And use TAILS.

 

[MaskedLiberty]

Was like the Shilldren of the Corn in there at the end. And about 15 shill soldiers evaporated immediately after TGI's departure. I lurked there but never posted, right around when the shtf. Was embarrassing. I like that Symbiotics doesnt have to be a comedian for people to like him either, seems to output good tested product and respond to queries accordingly. So far so good, he's almost too good to be true

Too good to be true huh? Embarrassing........

 

[OldSmice]

His development saddens me. I was looking forward to stocking up on some test-u.

 

[Krazyhippy]

It sucks this happened bc his setup and product was legit and he really seemed to know what he was doing and had a lot of good info about product. He was always helpful when u had any questions about gear.

 

[T&H]

We'll see if he follows thru about creating a new account to refund customers. I'm not quite sure I believe his story.

 

[Stinkfinger1112]

It sucks this happened bc his setup and product was legit and he really seemed to know what he was doing and had a lot of good info about product. He was always helpful when u had any questions about gear.

Its not quite over yet. He could hypothetically rebound from this. He needs to tighten up a few things and let the heat die down. Drop his packs out way further. If he doesn't come back as SYMBIOTICS you can bet your ass in a couple to few months he will just re-brand and will have learned a few new things fro his mistakes. there is WAY too much $$$$ involved for him to pack up and quit. He said it himself. he spent his savings for this "Lab-operation" Like I said hell either be back as SYM, or a different name soon enough.