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[Propion8]

Simba or @janoshik can correct me if if wrong but in regards to cross contamination:

deca and eq have different molecular weights And low melting points, so if your eq raws have deca in them (as contamination from the supplier) they would separate in mixture based on their densities

So theoretically you could take a small samples of the eq raws and get an hplc test that shows only eq, but once you mix with an oil (and thus creating a solution) you would have contaminated samples with the compound ratios in finished product being equal to the ratios of the raws.

The difference in weight and ratio of contamination might be enough to account for the inaccuracy. Adding a heavier part to any set will increase net molecular weight and displace more oil

I haven’t run the numbers and could very well be wrong. I’d like @mp46 of Jano or someone more knowledgeable and awake to chime in

 

[Seven]

@OnTheRize onboard with all of it except the cross contamination. Intelligence doesn’t exclude him from being human. It’s a mistake we’ve seen from sources that are still here doing fine. To claim that a mistake is “impossible” is naive. Does that mean he made it this time, no. But what we do have is a result from one of Meso’s “accepted” test sources showing two compounds in a sample. As always, that has to be taken for what it is.

So with the set up he has, you @Mac11wildcat would fuck up and mix two compounds together? Impossible you would say...I'd bet.

Of course there's a tiny chance @SymBiotics fucked up so the word impossible may have been a bad choice.

Something was off by how the sample was sent. Imo. Extremely weird for someone to waste their money like that thou, unless it was free of charge?

 

[Seven]

BigBen that you? Just kidding but that sure is one long novel to be like a podcast lol

Just called Ben on the super sercet satellite burners. It was not him....

 

[Sp2.0]

Just called Ben on the super sercet satellite burners. It was not him....

At least he was allowed to keep his company phone while temp banned.

 

[Seven]

At least he was allowed to keep his company phone while temp banned.

Standard practice...

 

[mp46]

Simba or @janoshik can correct me if if wrong but in regards to cross contamination:

deca and eq have different molecular weights And low melting points, so if your eq raws have deca in them (as contamination from the supplier) they would separate in mixture based on their densities

So theoretically you could take a small samples of the eq raws and get an hplc test that shows only eq, but once you mix with an oil (and thus creating a solution) you would have contaminated samples with the compound ratios in finished product being equal to the ratios of the raws.

The difference in weight and ratio of contamination might be enough to account for the inaccuracy. Adding a heavier part to any set will increase net molecular weight and displace more oil

I haven’t run the numbers and could very well be wrong. I’d like @mp46 of Jano or someone more knowledgeable and awake to chime in

Not probable in the slightest. For one when taking the sample out of the bottle you’d usually draw from the top and take only EQ in your scenario. When drawing to brew you’d do the same therefore taking only EQ. Unless you drew all of it but he didn’t indicate he was brewing in that quantity yet.

Your other portion about different weights holds merit but in the wrong direction. EQ is C30H44O3. Deca is C28H44O3. If the sample was contaminated from the raw supplier it would have mixed during shipment and you’d have a homogenous solution and every bit of the sample would be contaminated and weights don’t matter. If it was a heterogenous solution then the heavier EQ would have settled to the bottom leaving deca at the top.

I would think that since EQ is a liquid it can hold some compounds in solution before becoming supersaturated. I know people mix EQ and bold cyp for brews and the EQ will hold some of the bold cyp before adding solvents. This tells me that EQ should be able to hold deca to some extent as well, meaning you’d have a somewhat homogenous solution and if the contamination happened at factory it would have mixed in shipping and any amount of sample you draw for testing would show deca in it.

The simple solution is shake your EQ bottles before drawing and sending them off for testing.

 

[janoshik]

Simba or @janoshik can correct me if if wrong but in regards to cross contamination:

deca and eq have different molecular weights And low melting points, so if your eq raws have deca in them (as contamination from the supplier) they would separate in mixture based on their densities

So theoretically you could take a small samples of the eq raws and get an hplc test that shows only eq, but once you mix with an oil (and thus creating a solution) you would have contaminated samples with the compound ratios in finished product being equal to the ratios of the raws.

The difference in weight and ratio of contamination might be enough to account for the inaccuracy. Adding a heavier part to any set will increase net molecular weight and displace more oil

I haven’t run the numbers and could very well be wrong. I’d like @mp46 of Jano or someone more knowledgeable and awake to chime in

It's also possible deca dissolves in bold. Frankly, I don't know and I won't speculate.

Your other portion about different weights holds merit but in the wrong direction. EQ is C30H44O3. Deca is C28H44O3. If it was a heterogenous solution then the heavier EQ would have settled to the bottom leaving deca at the top.

Higher molecular mass does not necessarily mean higher density if that's what you are implying and I'm too lazy to check

I agree with everything else in your post.

 

[OnTheRize]

@OnTheRize onboard with all of it except the cross contamination. Intelligence doesn’t exclude him from being human. It’s a mistake we’ve seen from sources that are still here doing fine. To claim that a mistake is “impossible” is naive. Does that mean he made it this time, no. But what we do have is a result from one of Meso’s “accepted” test sources showing two compounds in a sample. As always, that has to be taken for what it is.

Agreed, the human factor is always a factor worth consideration. I've never used the word "impossible" referring to the contamination event. I do think that accidentally mixing a powder and a liquid would be "retarded" for any decent chemist but I humbly admit that I know very little about the details of brewing gear...especially for a one man operation on a semi-commercial production level.
The consequences of mixing the 2 AAS compounds mentioned would have far less of an impact on the chemist and consumer than the materials I have worked with and compounds I produced in the past.
My work usually involved a lot of inorganic chemical compounds. The chemicals I worked with had to be ACS grade pure. Impurities, or any number of mistakes on my behald could have often resulted in an immediate or gradual runaway reaction that could easily be fatal.
It's my mistake to assume that the same level of caution would be taken when brewing AAS...cross contaminating a liquid with a powder still seems like a hobby chemists mistake...but again, I really don't know much about large scale brewing either.

Whether it’s bad luck or convenient coincidence, we regularly see sources have a personal/medical emergency right about when something goes to shit....just gonna leave that as it is for those to interpret on their own. It’s quite common..

I haven't been around long enough to see other sources crash and burn but it makes sense. "The dog ate my homework"

BigBen that you? Just kidding but that sure is one long novel to be like a podcast lol

I keep seeing this member and a couple other absent members names in threads. Rather than clogging this thread by asking you who this is or what he did to get banned off this board, I'm going to see if I can search for any content pertaining to him some of the other mythical meso deities when I have time.

 

[Horimono]

Something was off by how the sample was sent. Imo. Extremely weird for someone to waste their money like that thou, unless it was free of charge?

It was my buddy who sent off his gear. I got him in touch with Jano. It was an unopened bottle of EQ, a sterile fucking vial from a hospital, and a brand new syringe. Dude has a box of 100 syringes. He isn’t stupid enough to use a used syringe to send in a sample for analysis. I can assure you. He spent the money to ensure his gear was legit, since he has a whole cycle with 3 different injectable from this source. He didn’t waste his money. You can see the pics of all this in the testing section. Albeit after I was brow beaten into posting pics after the fact, that he took.

 

[Uglyrichie]

@OnTheRize don't forget the chicken

 

[MindlessWork]

@OnTheRize don't forget the chicken

...and the rice plus the Kickin' Chicken to make it all taste good.

 

[Uglyrichie]

couldn't find a bitch slap emoji. Superpowers man get it right

 

[dusbjon]

Homie disappeared like a teenage boy who got his girl pregnant.

 

[Dresden]

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Should I re-post this daily?

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[bigrobbie]

I may be retarded, but I’d be willing to take the risk of an order as well if he does end up coming back into business. 1st order went super smooth. I have a squeaky clean record so surely I won’t be behind bars for a couple vials of Test E. (roast my ass)

Dumbass

 

[Worf]

And put the cat in the microwave too so it comes out with super powers. Also, fuck cats.

I like to fuck em with small caliber rifle rounds

 

[puckhog]

I like to fuck em with small caliber rifle rounds

Whats going on Worf? Haven’t talked to you in a long time.

 

[Worf]

Whats going on Worf? Haven’t talked to you in a long time.

Ive been around , mostly in the powerlifting forum. These source threads turn into Jerry Springer and I can only keep up with one at a time, shits crazy in the underground these days. How you getting along?

 

[puckhog]

Ive been around , mostly in the powerlifting forum. These source threads turn into Jerry Springer and I can only keep up with one at a time, shits crazy in the underground these days. How you getting along?

Agreed. The UG has been a shit show for a little while. I am Doing well. Enjoy the rest of the weekend man

 

[ThyNoah]

I was debating weather I should share this or not but decided it’s always good to see others experiences with a source on a forum and let the community use the information how they may.

Well I had placed an order with Symbiotics back on Sept 2nd of this year. Communication was good and received pack just a couple days later. Shipping was discreet. No issues.

I delayed beginning my cycle due to a hand injury that I had and finally got to begin my cycle on Monday Oct 7th.

I was doing 600mg of Test E a week and pin on Mon and Thur, also started with 50mg of Dbol a day split and my AI. Pretty simple cycle imo, This is probably my 9th cycle I have ever done.
Only thing different was this is the first time I was trying GSO, always used MCT as a carrier oil.

Anyway, so first pin was on Mon 10/7, I did right Quad, I had horrible PIP forming only 5 hours after shot. Next day PIP became crippling, area became red and warm to the touch. By Thursday the redness began to fade.

Thur 10/10 pinned Left Quad, same with the PIP, except this time the pain extended almost into my knee, was horrible. Incredibly red, warm to the touch.

Mon 10/14 I did my last shot with Symbiotic Gear. I did Right Glute, and this one was the worst of them all. The area knotted so bad, became a large lump after 24 hours, about the size of half a baseball, incredibly painful, I developed a slight fever, area was very red, swollen. I honestly thought I had developed an abscess.

Now I’ve done my share of cycles, I don’t take short cuts, I am very sterile with my own administration and needles and everything. I could walk you thru my process of wiping down the tops with alcohol and the site injection in a circular outward motion with multiple swabs etc... but trust me I did it as proper as should be expected.

Usually to minimize the pip I always run my gear under very warm water and everything hoping for the best.

That last Glute shot honestly made me rethink doing AAS almost all together. I have never had an experience like that, the only reason I didn’t go to the hospital is because the swelling started to go down slightly almost a full week later and even today is still slightly present.

I’m not sure if it was his gear, or what causes this severe pip and redness and swelling to occur on three different injection sites.

Now remember I did mention this is my first time using GSO. So last Thursday and this past Monday I used some left over vials of Test250 bottles from a friend from another source that also uses GSO.
I purposely asked my friend for these because I wanted to know if I had maybe a reaction to GSO. He always claimed how great it was using GSO etc etc
I did left Glute and right Delt and very very minimal to almost no PIP.

I still have left over vials myself from previous cycles from Balkin and SIS I’m just going to use for now to hold me over a couple weeks until I get another order in from another source.

I know someone else mentioned they got an infection from one of his shots and I’m not saying this was an infection, but def was nothing like I have ever experienced.

Also note I’ve used T400 level concentration and yes gave some bad pip but nothing compared to what I experienced with this gear.

Conclusion, use this Information as you may, I have discontinued his oils but still runnin his liquid orals which seem to be fine.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

Good luck!