T3 usage, results and concerns

[T-Bagger]

I’m considering using T3 along with liquid Albuterol (injectable) and a TRT dosage of Cyp. I’ve read a lot of people singing the praises of T3, but knowing that it’s a thyroid med, can anyone shed some light on any dangers of taking it? Will it kill my thyroid? Anyone use it with bad sides?

 

[Evom1]

What are your thyroid levels currently?

What's your current body fat percentage?

 

[Blakeyy]

What are your thyroid levels currently?

What's your current body fat percentage?

What does it matter your body fat percentage? Don’t want that to sound like it doesn’t matter I just don’t know much about it myself and just trying to learn and just curious as to how that will affect it

 

[T-Bagger]

What are your thyroid levels currently?

What's your current body fat percentage?

Honestly, I don’t know what my thyroid levels are. BF is about 23%.

 

[CdnGuy]

T-bagger have a read... lots of ideas, plus safety tips when bf% is higher.

1st cycle, out of shape, high bodyfat

 

[fodsod]

There's a list of possible sides and dangers BUT assuming you're "normal" it's not that big of a deal. Just run it once or twice a day at the same times daily (fasted AM and mid day). Start around 40-50 mcg and work your way up. Less than that will suppress you and give you a lower level than you have naturally (not cool). Some people like to pyramid up and then pyramid down. Others just go up then come off. Average time on is about 6-8 weeks for beginners.

The suppression of your natural T3 is going to happen and there's some debate on how long before that recovers. Most would say that you'd be back to even around 2 weeks or sooner after you're done regardless of how you ran it.

FYI, it's is not some super fat burning miracle drug either. You could take T3 at 100 mcgs a day and 24 mgs daily of Albuterol and without a proper diet protocol in place keeping you in a deficit and timing your nutrients you wouldn't see much change at all. What you did see change would come back on quickly also since you don't have the diet protocol to maintain your fat loss progress.

Not to mention T3 is a non-sparing burner. It'll burn muscle off just as fast as anything else. Test dose needs to be kept higher, protein needs to be up also to combat the potential loss.


So get your diet on point first then proceed with the PEDs.

 

[T-Bagger]

T-bagger have a read... lots of ideas, plus safety tips when bf% is higher.

1st cycle, out of shape, high bodyfat

Thanks for the link bud

 

[T-Bagger]

There's a list of possible sides and dangers BUT assuming you're "normal" it's not that big of a deal. Just run it once or twice a day at the same times daily (fasted AM and mid day). Start around 40-50 mcg and work your way up. Less than that will suppress you and give you a lower level than you have naturally (not cool). Some people like to pyramid up and then pyramid down. Others just go up then come off. Average time on is about 6-8 weeks for beginners.

The suppression of your natural T3 is going to happen and there's some debate on how long before that recovers. Most would say that you'd be back to even around 2 weeks or sooner after you're done regardless of how you ran it.

FYI, it's is not some super fat burning miracle drug either. You could take T3 at 100 mcgs a day and 24 mgs daily of Albuterol and without a proper diet protocol in place keeping you in a deficit and timing your nutrients you wouldn't see much change at all. What you did see change would come back on quickly also since you don't have the diet protocol to maintain your fat loss progress.

Not to mention T3 is a non-sparing burner. It'll burn muscle off just as fast as anything else. Test dose needs to be kept higher, protein needs to be up also to combat the potential loss.


So get your diet on point first then proceed with the PEDs.

Much appreciated on the advice. Diet has been the hardest thing for me.

 

[Evom1]

Honestly I would wait and use t3 once you get body fat down to more like 10%. Focus on diet for now

Honestly, I don’t know what my thyroid levels are. BF is about 23%.

 

[T-Bagger]

Honestly I would wait and use t3 once you get body fat down to more like 10%. Focus on diet for now

After reading the link Cdn gave I’m going to do that. I’ll be running Stanford’s Albuterol & Lipo to help though, but yeah- I gotta get my diet in check. Thanks for the advice.

 

[master.on]

I’m considering using T3 along with liquid Albuterol (injectable) and a TRT dosage of Cyp. I’ve read a lot of people singing the praises of T3, but knowing that it’s a thyroid med, can anyone shed some light on any dangers of taking it? Will it kill my thyroid? Anyone use it with bad sides?

Studies show that neither T3 nor T4 can permanently shutdown thyroid function. You'll be back to normal after about 2-3 weeks after T3 and 1 month after T4.
If you're a fatty guy T3 can help a lot. You'll lose some muscle but a LOT of fat too.
Best to leave clen (or at least albuterol) between T3 cycles, not along.

There's a list of possible sides and dangers BUT assuming you're "normal" it's not that big of a deal. Just run it once or twice a day at the same times daily (fasted AM and mid day). Start around 40-50 mcg and work your way up. Less than that will suppress you and give you a lower level than you have naturally (not cool). Some people like to pyramid up and then pyramid down. Others just go up then come off. Average time on is about 6-8 weeks for beginners.

The suppression of your natural T3 is going to happen and there's some debate on how long before that recovers. Most would say that you'd be back to even around 2 weeks or sooner after you're done regardless of how you ran it.

FYI, it's is not some super fat burning miracle drug either. You could take T3 at 100 mcgs a day and 24 mgs daily of Albuterol and without a proper diet protocol in place keeping you in a deficit and timing your nutrients you wouldn't see much change at all. What you did see change would come back on quickly also since you don't have the diet protocol to maintain your fat loss progress.

Not to mention T3 is a non-sparing burner. It'll burn muscle off just as fast as anything else. Test dose needs to be kept higher, protein needs to be up also to combat the potential loss.


So get your diet on point first then proceed with the PEDs.

Unless you're 300 pounds or so
100 mcg T3 = underdosed crap
With real PHARMA T3 you'll have trouble getting past 50 mcg /day.

 

[T-Bagger]

Studies show that neither T3 nor T4 can permanently shutdown thyroid function. You'll be back to normal after about 2-3 weeks after T3 and 1 month after T4.
If you're a fatty guy T3 can help a lot. You'll lose some muscle but a LOT of fat too.
Best to leave clen (or at least albuterol) between T3 cycles, not along.


Unless you're 300 pounds or so
100 mcg T3 = underdosed crap
With real PHARMA T3 you'll have trouble getting past 50 mcg /day.

I appreciate the info. I’m worried about it permanently screwing up my thyroid for some reason. I was given the advice to run it starting at 25 mcg, going up to 100 mcg.

Why do you suggest leaving Clen or Albuterol out of a T3 cycle? I was told if anything, the Albuterol/Lipo combo is more of an energy boost with mild fat burning capabilities.

 

[T-Bagger]

There's a list of possible sides and dangers BUT assuming you're "normal" it's not that big of a deal. Just run it once or twice a day at the same times daily (fasted AM and mid day). Start around 40-50 mcg and work your way up. Less than that will suppress you and give you a lower level than you have naturally (not cool). Some people like to pyramid up and then pyramid down. Others just go up then come off. Average time on is about 6-8 weeks for beginners.

The suppression of your natural T3 is going to happen and there's some debate on how long before that recovers. Most would say that you'd be back to even around 2 weeks or sooner after you're done regardless of how you ran it.

FYI, it's is not some super fat burning miracle drug either. You could take T3 at 100 mcgs a day and 24 mgs daily of Albuterol and without a proper diet protocol in place keeping you in a deficit and timing your nutrients you wouldn't see much change at all. What you did see change would come back on quickly also since you don't have the diet protocol to maintain your fat loss progress.

Not to mention T3 is a non-sparing burner. It'll burn muscle off just as fast as anything else. Test dose needs to be kept higher, protein needs to be up also to combat the potential loss.


So get your diet on point first then proceed with the PEDs.

What would you recommend for Test dosage?

 

[fodsod]

What would you recommend for Test dosage?

If you’re running the fat loss cycle you talked about I’d say 500mg/week minimum. Or add in another compound to assist your current dose.

 

[fodsod]

I appreciate the info. I’m worried about it permanently screwing up my thyroid for some reason. I was given the advice to run it starting at 25 mcg, going up to 100 mcg.

Why do you suggest leaving Clen or Albuterol out of a T3 cycle? I was told if anything, the Albuterol/Lipo combo is more of an energy boost with mild fat burning capabilities.

T3, Clen and Albuterol all effect your heart. Combining them in higher doses increases the risk of cardiac issues. I can’t say I know anyone that has had an issue but the chances are there.

 

[T-Bagger]

T3, Clen and Albuterol all effect your heart. Combining them in higher doses increases the risk of cardiac issues. I can’t say I know anyone that has had an issue but the chances are there.

Your knowledge and responses are greatly appreciated.

 

[Michael Scally MD]

T3 - liothyronine sodium (cytomel)

 

[XKawN]

I've ran quite a bit of t3 from time to time. While running test and a stimulant, as long as diet and exercise are in check, works great. T3 works great as a thermogenic heating up your core temp and the stimulant raising yoir heart rate and boosting your metabolism both work synergistically. If your not too over weight then it's something to consider. If you are too over weight than you need to consider diet and exercise the old fashioned way. Some of the stimulants to run along side t3 would be albuterol, clenbuterol and a eca stack. Obviously not running those stimulants at the same time. My favorite would be the eca stack, but good luck getting epbedrine in the states. You can always go to your pharmacy and ask for bronkaid in pill form. It's ephedrine. You will have to show id and it's behind the counter, but you can make your own eca stack. Well, shit. I just remembered you can't get raw caffeine in the US now as well. Second favorite would be albuterol and then clenbuterol.

 

[DrinkFlintWater]

Some people like to pyramid up and then pyramid down. Others just go up then come off.

In your opinion, which method is better?^
Ive been under the impression that cutting t3 abruptly will lead to an immediate fat gain? I have no experience with t3 or t4 so my knowledge is quite limited but i have been researching it. In my experience, if i was looking to drop weight FAST using drugs, i would add in metformin to an already strict caloric deficit...

 

[fodsod]

In your opinion, which method is better?^
Ive been under the impression that cutting t3 abruptly will lead to an immediate fat gain? I have no experience with t3 or t4 so my knowledge is quite limited but i have been researching it. In my experience, if i was looking to drop weight FAST using drugs, i would add in metformin to an already strict caloric deficit...

To my knowledge there are no official studies to support either approach (stopping verses tapering) with consideration for the way someone would be taking T3 for fat loss. Only personal experiences and bro science. If the information is out there I'm sure someone will post it for us.

Obviously you have the amount of T3 that naturally occurs in your body and once you've introduce exogenous T3 that amount is either shut down or down regulated in your body's attempt to maintain homeostasis.

So the discussion always comes back to how much to take to exceed your normally produced amount to get the desired results, how much suppression occurs at that dose and how long once it's stopped before you return to your natural levels.

If you go up to a really high dose then some tapering would be advisable as the exogenous dose is perhaps 2-4 times (or more) the level you naturally produce. So in theory you'd like to get back to as close to your natural level as possible before coming off.

Tapering off below the level you'd naturally be at would put you in a state where your levels are essentially suppressed compared to your natural levels. Therefore you're functioning below your natural level during that time and during the time your body is attempting to return to it's natural levels once you're actually off the T3. Personally, I'd rather be in the deficit for a shorter time and come off at a slightly elevated dose then ride out the suppressed phase (1-2 weeks) continuing the diet to maintain the progress made.

This is basically the same scenario you see when competitors finish a show and binge eat for a few weeks afterward. The metabolism is slowed to a crawl from the diet and /or T3/ fat burner usage and then an introduction of added calories equals body fat being stored.