t3 while not cutting?

[Deleted member 123722]

Currently running my 1g deca only, but I'm also taking t3 at 50mcg. I could be bulking during this time, but I'm kind of recomping instead since I'm not lean enough. I've read a few people say they've run t3 during bulks at 50mcg (like I am) to get better protein turn over and also not get fat.

Has anyone run t3 for a year round and come off with no issues.
Has anyone run it during a bulk, or just to recomp?

Thanks.

 

[steckdose0]

I've done a huge transformation just with lose dosages over a longer period of time... Here's me from Feb to Oct; i could have done it faster with a huge deficit, instead, I "maingained" and let the training and drugs work their magic.

great work man. i say just keep doing what you're doing then if those are the results..

 

[Jpmerr2021]

taking t3 to stay lean during a bulk is almost like purposely training less when blasting gear.. you wouldn't do that, would you? probably not. all you have to do is not stuff your face with 5000 calories. you really only need 500-600 calories above maintenance to gain muscle. any more than that and you're just fluffing yourself up for no reason.

since tren suppresses thyroid function i usually ran 12.5mcg-25mcg t3 when running tren. once i upped the t3 to 75mcg or 100mcg just to experiment (while eating at maintenance) and i feel like i could have gained more muscle in that timeframe. it really all depends on how you respond to t3 though. i respond really well to it so it will inhibit my ability to gain muscle but this may not be the case for you.

i'm generally not a fan of "bulking" because i'm not a competitive bodybuilder. i only work out to look good and to stay healthy and extra fat doesn't serve either of those purposes. if i were you i'd probably make sure i don't gain any more fat while continuing to bulk. new years is right around the corner, and right after that you'll only have about 12 weeks before t shirt weather and if you're like me, you'll want to be lean for t shirt weather.

The fuck do you live bro that it’s t-shirt weather 12 weeks from new year.

(Posted from the UK where it’s fucking cold and raining until June)

 

[Type-IIx]

Better protein turnover? There'll be a net increase in protein breakdown. Not really 'better' protein turnover in my book. Unless you like the idea of being able to eat a little bit more during a bulk at the expense of muscle mass, it's a terrible idea.

L. Rea defined basal protein turnover rate ("PTOR"): 1.8 g * lb⁻¹ or 3.96 g * kg⁻¹, and throughout the book says it's improved with T3.

Is this just something he made up, this value for protein turnover in humans?

 

[steckdose0]

The fuck do you live bro that it’s t-shirt weather 12 weeks from new year.

(Posted from the UK where it’s fucking cold and raining until June)

yeah you guys have shit weather over there. here in new york it's really t shirt weather in april (maybe some days) but you can start getting away with less layers.

 

[PeterBond]

L. Rea defined basal protein turnover rate ("PTOR"): 1.8 g * lb⁻¹ or 3.96 g * kg⁻¹, and throughout the book says it's improved with T3.

Is this just something he made up, this value for protein turnover in humans?

Protein turnover refers to the rate of protein that gets broken down and synthesized again. Both protein synthesis as well as breakdown increase with increases in thyroid hormone activity, so there's an increase in protein turnover. However, the rate of protein breakdown increases to a larger degree. Hence: there's a net increase in protein breakdown.

The numbers you post lack a unit of time, so they don't express any rate at all. I guess he probably meant this was the turnover rate per 24 hours which sounds about right I guess.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Protein turnover refers to the rate of protein that gets broken down and synthesized again. Both protein synthesis as well as breakdown increase with increases in thyroid hormone activity, so there's an increase in protein turnover. However, the rate of protein breakdown increases to a larger degree. Hence: there's a net increase in protein breakdown.

The numbers you post lack a unit of time, so they don't express any rate at all. I guess he probably meant this was the turnover rate per 24 hours which sounds about right I guess.

Yea, I was thinking while I sleep, I'm sure I'm not anabolic as much... I ate so much food and I didn't gain shit.

Hopefully my thyroid kicks in fast and I get to see my fullness from this deca

 

[Type-IIx]

Protein turnover refers to the rate of protein that gets broken down and synthesized again. Both protein synthesis as well as breakdown increase with increases in thyroid hormone activity, so there's an increase in protein turnover. However, the rate of protein breakdown increases to a larger degree. Hence: there's a net increase in protein breakdown.

The numbers you post lack a unit of time, so they don't express any rate at all. I guess he probably meant this was the turnover rate per 24 hours which sounds about right I guess.

Does it really sound about right for 24 hr? How can we infer this from anything authoritative?

 

[PeterBond]

Does it really sound about right for 24 hr? How can we infer this from anything authoritative?

Because if it was per hour, it would be retardedly high: for someone weighing 70 kg that would amount to 6.7 kg daily. 277 g is way more likely and in the order of magnitude I'd expect it to be.

 

[Type-IIx]

taking t3 to stay lean during a bulk is almost like purposely training less when blasting gear.. you wouldn't do that, would you? probably not. all you have to do is not stuff your face with 5000 calories. you really only need 500-600 calories above maintenance to gain muscle. any more than that and you're just fluffing yourself up for no reason.

since tren suppresses thyroid function i usually ran 12.5mcg-25mcg t3 when running tren. once i upped the t3 to 75mcg or 100mcg just to experiment (while eating at maintenance) and i feel like i could have gained more muscle in that timeframe. it really all depends on how you respond to t3 though. i respond really well to it so it will inhibit my ability to gain muscle but this may not be the case for you.

i'm generally not a fan of "bulking" because i'm not a competitive bodybuilder. i only work out to look good and to stay healthy and extra fat doesn't serve either of those purposes. if i were you i'd probably make sure i don't gain any more fat while continuing to bulk. new years is right around the corner, and right after that you'll only have about 12 weeks before t shirt weather and if you're like me, you'll want to be lean for t shirt weather.

Hey, thanks bro, I just learned something. I didn't know that there was any evidence of alteration of plasma thyroid hormones (reduced T4) in cattle until I just looked. Does this actually translate to humans in your experience?

 

[PeterBond]

A protein turnover of 4 g/kg bw per day thus is about right.

PROTEIN TURNOVER WITH SPECIAL REFERENCE TO MAN

This review is concerned with rates of N flux in the living animal rather than with mechanisms of protein synthesis and breakdown at the cellular level. Methods of measuring protein turnover in the w...

physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com

 

[Type-IIx]

Because if it was per hour, it would be retardedly high: for someone weighing 70 kg that would amount to 6.7 kg daily. 277 g is way more likely and in the order of magnitude I'd expect it to be.

OK. I'd like to see a study of basal protein turnover in humans I suppose. I'll see what I can find. That entire book just seemed like a science fiction thriller, hard to sort good from bad information from it... it's apparently somewhat influential in bodybuilding.

 

[Type-IIx]

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A protein turnover of 4 g/kg bw per day thus is about right.

PROTEIN TURNOVER WITH SPECIAL REFERENCE TO MAN

This review is concerned with rates of N flux in the living animal rather than with mechanisms of protein synthesis and breakdown at the cellular level. Methods of measuring protein turnover in the w...

physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com

Legendary. Thank you.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Because if it was per hour, it would be retardedly high: for someone weighing 70 kg that would amount to 6.7 kg daily. 277 g is way more likely and in the order of magnitude I'd expect it to be.

wait, we agreed I should get off t3 right? lol.

 

[PeterBond]

wait, we agreed I should get off t3 right? lol.

Yes, protein turnover rates don't matter, let alone their exact rates. There's a net increase in protein breakdown.

 

[Canknucklehead]

yes, last time I did my bloodwork it was normal; I was taking UGL t3 and it clearly didn't work lol, which is why they sent me pharm grade afterwards.

I would be cautious using this in the off-season if your thyroid is normal. Probably do more harm then you will benefit.

If you want to lean out do cardio ED or EOD. Add green tea (great natural fat burner). Carb cut offs, etc.

How is your Deca cycle going?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I would be cautious using this in the off-season if your thyroid is normal. Probably do more harm then you will benefit.

If you want to lean out do cardio ED or EOD. Add green tea (great natural fat burner). Carb cut offs, etc.

How is your Deca cycle going?

Going great actually. Zero sides.