BigNattyDaddy
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I hear that all the time and my follow up question is always the same. What would you do different? Always willing to listen to the advice of those who have had more life experience than I have.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
TenGrams How To #3: Get big, REAL big, in 1 year
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Well, I assume everyone is a moron so I've never been in a hurry to say it.
But TBH, i really don't care what OP does. His body, his business. Remember, I'm the one that hopes Boston Llyod goes full Rich Piana sooner rather than later. My only gripe, really, is the title: How To Get Big, Real Big In 1 Year. It implies taking mega doses is the way to do it, when you and I both know it isn't. But novices don't know that and threads with authoritative titles like this one can have unintended consequences if those who know better don't bring a voice of reason to the discussion.
Oh, he impressed everyone alright. He left such an impression that people are still talking about him.
tengtren
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Ok so let's get this in perspective
Subject A and subject B are on the exact same diet, exact same training plan.
Subject A 16 weeks: 700 test 500 deca 50 dbol on training days first 4 weeks Only.
Subject B 16 weeks: 1.5g test 1g deca 50 dbol 100 anadrol training days 4 weeks on 2 off.
Go ahead
While it’s obvious that subject B will have more success in terms of body composition and strength, I think the point being raised is that in 95% of the training population (just throwing out a number), the diet and program is in such a state as to not make an appreciable enough difference to justify the cost and side effects of that much more gear, and Dr Jim (perhaps justifiably, negating exceptions) assumes that all young people are in that 95%.
Keepittight
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Subject 2 is gonna fuck that shit up hella hard. But he's gonna not allow his liver to recover and face sides down the road.
tengtren
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True, but from pure result driven pov sub A will wish he'd upped the tren
Keepittight
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No bro tren is good yeah fuck it up, but orals are gonna get the liver. Honestly I think tren isn't a hard on the heart as anadrol is on the liver.
You omitted a lot of necessary information, such as level of development, training history, gear use history, etc.
It's silly scenario but I'll play. In a steroid novice at the end of 16 weeks, I doubt you would see any appreciable difference other than more side effects with the second cycle. An advanced user would probably see better results from the second cycle because they're already carrying more muscle and tend to need higher dosages, but they will also experience more side effects and the pounds gained won't be as dramatic as the novice on the first cycle.
Building muscle is a slow process and adding more drugs than is necessary won't enable the body to magically lay down protein any faster than what it's capable of doing.
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Not to mention, without getting bloodwork several times to check liver function, subject B will need a liver transplant from running adrol that long.
tengtren
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Jesus man. You have over complicated that scenario, how much more did I have to type? How about this they're clones
Keepittight
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Lol I think he's trying to say you could make gains on a little less gear if you're more novice. You only need to cycle heavy if you're a true vet
Given his explanation it seems that the difference between those two cycles would be more or less dramatic at different stages of development, even if everything is the same.
For example if I ran either of those as my first cycle I’d come out looking roughly the same.
VS someone’s tenth cycle you would see a more dramatic difference because they have already diminished their returns at lower dosages and the lesser active compounds.
You missed his point on the first statement.
On the second statement you literally just described exactly what drugs do; elevate protein synthesis past physiological levels. And situation b should elevate it further than a.
I don’t think he’s suggesting that doubling gear is a linear relation to doubling results. That’s definitely not true. I believe it’s established that supraphysiological levels of test have diminishing returns as they continue upward.
I guess I’ll say it again; this is a decision on his part weighing x symptoms and side effects vs y increased muscle gain with more drugs when you ASSUME he’s eating and training to reap maximum benefit of any cycle.
Are there factors for anyone to consider outside of that? Yes. You can’t go back once you’ve started using. You can’t go back once you’ve used a lot of gear. Thre would seemingly be benefit to slowly increasing dosage in consecutive cycles.
We’re not telling him anything he doesn’t know...
What I’m gathering is essentially the same principle you see in lifting in general, to only add complexity when it’s needed.
The gist I get is this: I can slowly build up compounds and doses and get to my peak physical condition on example cycle B after, say, 200 weeks of cycles total dependent on time off in between.
I could also just start blasting right away on that cycle and get there in, say, 150 weeks of lifetime on cycle time - however my joints and tendons won’t be strengthening any faster, my heart health could be compromised more severely for a longer period than necessary, etc.
So I SEEM to be getting the impression that the risks are linear as you up the dose, and the results are logarithmic and are largely gated by time on cycle anyway.
IMO the hepatoxicity of Anadrol is vastly overstated. It’s prescribed at 2+ mg/kg/day for 3 to 6 months...
This isn’t me saying there aren’t sides....
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BigNattyDaddy
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Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say.
LMFAO if you’re making fun of me you made me sound like a really nice guy
Man, I think Dorian is the best person to listen to on steroids and life perspective. He rides a bike, does yoga, smokes weed. He is living life now, not even bodybuilding really.
But he seems happy with life at least. If a 6x Olympia winner decided to make life changes (yes,partly due to injuries) what will that say about some of us one day? We may not think the same at all.
I used to think exactly like the OP. And I wouldn't have listened to anyone either so I'm not expecting him to. Trying to break away from bodybuilding and the drugs is harder than doing more shit, that's for sure.
But he seems happy with life at least. If a 6x Olympia winner decided to make life changes (yes,partly due to injuries) what will that say about some of us one day? We may not think the same at all.
I used to think exactly like the OP. And I wouldn't have listened to anyone either so I'm not expecting him to. Trying to break away from bodybuilding and the drugs is harder than doing more shit, that's for sure.
tengtren
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lol this is how my last few post feel , I thing "wait, what is my point again"
