TenGrams How To #3: Get big, REAL big, in 1 year

[Heavy Iron]

I was reading your post and agreeing with everything until you mentioned Ronnie and Shawn Ray. The “natural” Ronnie you mention bigger than Bostin Lloyd was on hefty dosages for ages, he played football in his younger years, do I need to say more?

Same for Shawn Ray, and even that “natural” 19 year old lee priest that was juiced out of his fucking skull.

That being said, would people look like them on the same amounts?

Never.

It’s not about achieving their development, anyone can achieve that on the same dosages if training and diet are on point, it’s about the way they look, and that is where I agree with you on the Bostin Lloyd part.

He takes all that shit and he looks like shit, he just wasn’t born for it.

But the norm here and in other forums seems to be preaching that “most pros that I know take less than 2 grams of gear”, I don’t know if it’s just plain ignorance and stupidity, an attempt at harm reduction, or just discouraging people to push their own agenda, but it gets fucking exhausting and offensive to my intellect seeing shit like that everywhere.

Idk if I misinterpreted your first post. saying "innocence" on this board I thought you meant that most people and the doses being ran are conservative. And that you thought OPs AAS usage was in the realm of being fine or okay or "not that much".

 

[Jankauskas]

Idk if I misinterpreted your first post. saying "innocence" on this board I thought you meant that most people and the doses being ran are conservative. And that you thought OPs AAS usage was in the realm of being fine or okay or "not that much".

What I meant by innocence of the board is people thinking they can get huge and ripped on 1 gram of gear.

Am I saying people should take a shitload of drugs and that they aren’t bad for you? No

I’m just saying it’s what it takes.

 

[Keepittight]

I've used such little orals In my time lol my oral usage has been dbol 30 a day for about 4 weeks, winstrol 25 a day for 5 and anadrol 50 for 2 weeks(I got some and couldn't wait so ran 2 weeks to see how I do and it's by far my favorite) that's all

So what's the sudden interest to do all the orals now?

 

[Keepittight]

What I meant by innocence of the board is people thinking they can get huge and ripped on 1 gram of gear.

Am I saying people should take a shitload of drugs and that they aren’t bad for you? No

I’m just saying it’s what it takes.

^^^ I agree with this guy. Even Jeremy beundia men's physique champ 2014-2017 at only 180lbs at his biggest while at 5'8, according to Boston Lloyd who was his dealer, that Jeremys cycle was :

1G test P
700 mast A
700 tren A

So that's just men's physique. .. and that's what it takes. Don't think for a second the top guys even in men's physique aren't on similar doses.

I imagine virtually all the top pros in classic have Tampered with 3G of gear minimum and hgh.

Open pros on that plus slin. It's just what it is today...

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I was reading your post and agreeing with everything until you mentioned Ronnie and Shawn Ray. The “natural” Ronnie you mention bigger than Bostin Lloyd was on hefty dosages for ages, he played football in his younger years, do I need to say more?

Same for Shawn Ray, and even that “natural” 19 year old lee priest that was juiced out of his fucking skull.

That being said, would people look like them on the same amounts?

Never.

It’s not about achieving their development, anyone can achieve that on the same dosages if training and diet are on point, it’s about the way they look, and that is where I agree with you on the Bostin Lloyd part.

He takes all that shit and he looks like shit, he just wasn’t born for it.

But the norm here and in other forums seems to be preaching that “most pros that I know take less than 2 grams of gear”, I don’t know if it’s just plain ignorance and stupidity, an attempt at harm reduction, or just discouraging people to push their own agenda, but it gets fucking exhausting and offensive to my intellect seeing shit like that everywhere.

Unless you know the pro personally, and provided they're being honest with you, no one has any idea what they're running. We do know two things though: 1) AAS will only take you so far and that limit is reached way before 10 grams, and 2) a prime Ronnie Coleman on 500 mg/week would still be bigger and look better than Boston Lloyd.

 

[Heavy Iron]

^^^ I agree with this guy. Even Jeremy beundia men's physique champ 2014-2017 at only 180lbs at his biggest while at 5'8, according to Boston Lloyd who was his dealer, that Jeremys cycle was :

1G test P
700 mast A
700 tren A

So that's just men's physique. .. and that's what it takes. Don't think for a second the top guys even in men's physique aren't on similar doses.

I imagine virtually all the top pros in classic have Tampered with 3G of gear minimum and hgh.

Open pros on that plus slin. It's just what it is today...

I don't even want to know how much those dudes spend on gear...

 

[Keepittight]

Unless you know the pro personally, and provided they're being honest with you, no one has any idea what they're running. We do know two things though: 1) AAS will only take you so far and that limit is reached way before 10 grams, and 2) a prime Ronnie Coleman on 500 mg/week would still be bigger and look better than Boston Lloyd.

You know I think Ronnie on 500MG would break into the pro circuit. But I don't believe he'd ever have qualified for the Olympia.

 

[Keepittight]

I don't even want to know how much those dudes spend on gear...

I'm gonna go ahead and estimate 5-6K in men's physique 10-20K in classic. And 15-25K in the open.

 

[Xragexx]

I'm gonna go ahead and estimate 5-6K in men's physique 10-20K in classic. And 15-25K in the open.

Until you’ve made it. Then I’m sure someone offers sponsorship so they’ll run their gear and they get it for free.

It would surprise me if top level competitors paid for their AAS

 

[Jankauskas]

^^^ I agree with this guy. Even Jeremy beundia men's physique champ 2014-2017 at only 180lbs at his biggest while at 5'8, according to Boston Lloyd who was his dealer, that Jeremys cycle was :

1G test P
700 mast A
700 tren A

So that's just men's physique. .. and that's what it takes. Don't think for a second the top guys even in men's physique aren't on similar doses.

I imagine virtually all the top pros in classic have Tampered with 3G of gear minimum and hgh.

Open pros on that plus slin. It's just what it is today...

What I heard from a Brazilian guy that prepared some men’s/classic physique guys in Brazil (national level) is that to get to that level of development one would have to use 3-5 grams for a few years just to build the physique.

Buendia isn’t a tall guy, so maybe those dosages worked for him but you can bet that at Olympia level there is peptides and gh for sure, so the gear isnt the only factor.

 

[Keepittight]

Until you’ve made it. Then I’m sure someone offers sponsorship so they’ll run their gear and they get it for free.

It would surprise me if top level competitors paid for their AAS

Oh wow bro I definitely don't think anyones gear is paid for except maybe those in Kuwait. No ones buying anyone gear. The sponsors are cheap they aren't even paying their athletes. Unless you consider protein powder, apparel or bcaas payment. Virtually no one is paid actual cash from a sponsor. These guys have day jobs. They're online coaches and personal trainers or running businesses, sometimes working professional jobs, or even working overnights as a butcher to get that gear bill paid.

 

[Keepittight]

What I heard from a Brazilian guy that prepared some men’s/classic physique guys in Brazil (national level) is that to get to that level of development one would have to use 3-5 grams for a few years just to build the physique.

Buendia isn’t a tall guy, so maybe those dosages worked for him but you can bet that at Olympia level there is peptides and gh for sure, so the gear isnt the only factor.

^^^Spot on.

 

[Keepittight]

Until you’ve made it. Then I’m sure someone offers sponsorship so they’ll run their gear and they get it for free.

It would surprise me if top level competitors paid for their AAS

I could be wrong though! Maybe sponsors or someone does step up and pay their gear. I'm not a pro and don't personally know any, so I really don't know what goes on. I'm just speculating from the outside looking in.

 

[tengtren]

So what's the sudden interest to do all the orals now?

My recent encounter with anadrol lol.
And I've always been taught they're half essential.

Unless you know the pro personally, and provided they're being honest with you, no one has any idea what they're running. We do know two things though: 1) AAS will only take you so far and that limit is reached way before 10 grams, and 2) a prime Ronnie Coleman on 500 mg/week would still be bigger and look better than Boston Lloyd.

I mentioned earlier about a former mr usa (ifbb pro) teaching me what's what with training and food and then eventually gear, while I lived in the same town. What he told me was NOT "no need for 700+test kid none of us do it" he shot it to me straight. I took it for what it's worth, he instilled the idea that no one want to admit they are taking xgrams to get that size and shape.

Oh wow bro I definitely don't think anyones gear is paid for except maybe those in Kuwait. No ones buying anyone gear. The sponsors are cheap they aren't even paying their athletes. Unless you consider protein powder, apparel or bcaas payment. Virtually no one is paid actual cash from a sponsor. These guys have day jobs. They're online coaches and personal trainers or running businesses, sometimes working professional jobs, or even working overnights as a butcher to get that gear bill paid.

i think the sponsorship money (if they're getting actual cash not just product) maybe 7-10k for the lucky ones? I'd bet they use that for gear lol my career pays bills

 

[Keepittight]

My recent encounter with anadrol lol.
And I've always been taught they're half essential.

I mentioned earlier about a former mr usa (ifbb pro) teaching me what's what with training and food and then eventually gear, while I lived in the same town. What he told me was NOT "no need for 700+test kid none of us do it" he shot it to me straight. I took it for what it's worth, he instilled the idea that no one want to admit they are taking xgrams to get that size and shape.
i think the sponsorship money (if they're getting actual cash not just product) maybe 7-10k for the lucky ones? I'd bet they use that for gear lol my career pays bills

What do you mean when you say anadrol is half Essential?

 

[tengtren]

What do you mean when you say anadrol is half Essential?

Sorry that was pretty vague
I meant orals are about HALF as essential as say deca in a bulk

No one will deny they are extremely effective, people just are afraid of the unfortunate health effects they bring

 

[Keepittight]

Sorry that was pretty vague
I meant orals are about HALF as essential as say deca in a bulk

No one will deny they are extremely effective, people just are afraid of the unfortunate health effects they bring

Are you in the camp that thinks tren is bad for bulking? Even if tolerated well

 

[tengtren]

Are you in the camp that thinks tren is bad for bulking? Even if tolerated well

Absolutely not, hints the 20wks of it

 

[Keepittight]

Absolutely not, hints the 20wks of it

Right right I forgot. Ive been skimming a lot of threads so I must have been confused to not have picked that up.

 

[Keepittight]

Absolutely not, hints the 20wks of it

Pretty sure I meant to post that in the @Mac11wildcat thread