Test E cycling

[Billyboy290690]

So I've been on test P 200 mg 3 times weekly for the past 6-7 weeks, but I have been thinking about switching to test E 300mg which, as you know, has a much longer half life. I'm not sure how often I should be pinning as I've only ever worked with test P. Could someone point me in the right direction please?

 

[HeatherSwanson]

Use C
Test E is wildly know for pip unless you have experience with it.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Test e or c is usually pinned twice per week so Monday/Thursday would be a great place to start. That's how I run my cycles with 500mg test (250mg 2x per week) and they work great

 

[Ghoul]

Test E is the devil.

Do yourself a favor and use C.

 

[Billyboy290690]

Use C
Test E is wildly know for pip unless you have experience with it.

I’m fine with a bit of post injection pain, of course I’d rather not have it but small sacrifices

 

[Billyboy290690]

Test E is the devil.

Do yourself a favor and use C.

Could you tell me why? Not to be rude just open to changes

 

[Billyboy290690]

Test e or c is usually pinned twice per week so Monday/Thursday would be a great place to start. That's how I run my cycles with 500mg test (250mg 2x per week) and they work great

That sounds great, thank you!

 

[Ghoul]

Could you tell me why? Not to be rude just open to changes

How fucking rude are you?!

LOL, there's nothing rude about asking for details man.

Test-C is nearly identical to E in terms of effect. half life, etc.

However, something, still the subject of endless debate, changed in the way underground suppliers of Test-E raws manufacture it, which has led to countless complaints of injection site pain. Worse, even when it's initially painless, by some yet undetermined mechanism, it seems to degrade over time even in the finished oil product, producing not just pip (injection site pain), but flu like symptoms.

Go look at the Chilton forum for the latest in an endless stream of "My Test-E was fine last year, now it's the worst thing I've ever injected and I have to throw the remaining vials away.".

Test-C does not have this issue.

 

[BigDadd7]

How fucking rude are you?!

LOL, there's nothing rude about asking for details man.

Test-C is nearly identical to E in terms of effect. half life, etc.

However, something, still the subject of endless debate, changed in the way underground suppliers of Test-E raws were made, which has led to countless complaints of injection site pain. Worse, even when it's initially painless, by some yet undetermined mechanism, it seems to degrade over time even in the finished oil product, producing not just pip (injection site pain), but flu like symptoms.

Go look at the Chilton forum for the latest in an endless stream of "My Test-E was fine last year, now it's the worst thing I've ever injected and I have to throw the remaining vials away.".

Test-C does not have this issue.

I switched to C for that very reason. I found myself scheduling E injections so that the flu feeling would fall on my days off. That sucked.

 

[Ghoul]

I switched to C for that very reason. I found myself scheduling E injections so that the flu feeling would fall on my days off. That sucked.

Honestly, Test-E is for dudes who think their body is a garbage can.

 

[The Answ3r]

Where I’m from, it’s basically Test E or nothing - Test C wasn’t even on the radar. You’d hear about it sometimes, like some rare collectible, but no one actually used it.

When I moved to the States, I finally gave Test C a shot… and honestly, felt exactly the same. Maybe there was a tiny ego boost at first - like, “Yeah, trying something exotic”, but that wore off quick. In the end, oil is oil, and my body just shrugged like, “Bro, just give me the juice, I don’t care what it says on the bottle.”

Makes you wonder though - maybe we really are built different…
Or maybe Test E vs Test C is just the bodybuilding version of Pepsi vs Coke: same caffeine kick, just a different label slapped on it.

Now, I’m using Test C, but honestly, only because it usually comes at 200mg/mL, and it’s just easier to dose compared to Test E, which more often shows up at 250 or 300mg/mL.

 

[Ghoul]

Where I’m from, it’s basically Test E or nothing - Test C wasn’t even on the radar. You’d hear about it sometimes, like some rare collectible, but no one actually used it.

When I moved to the States, I finally gave Test C a shot… and honestly, felt exactly the same. Maybe there was a tiny ego boost at first - like, “Yeah, trying something exotic”, but that wore off quick. In the end, oil is oil, and my body just shrugged like, “Bro, just give me the juice, I don’t care what it says on the bottle.”

Makes you wonder though - maybe we really are built different…
Or maybe Test E vs Test C is just the bodybuilding version of Pepsi vs Coke: same caffeine kick, just a different label slapped on it.

Now, I’m using Test C, but honestly, only because it usually comes at 200mg/mL, and it’s just easier to dose compared to Test E, which more often shows up at 250 or 300mg/mL.

I mean most people seem to agree the esters work the same, more or less.

The problem a lot of Test-E in recent years ends up causing pip, and after a while of sitting around, worse, for whatever reason, while Test-C doesn't.

 

[The Answ3r]

I mean most people seem to agree the esters work the same, more or less.

The problem a lot of Test-E in recent years ends up causing pip, and after a while of sitting around, worse, for whatever reason, while Test-C doesn't.

Yeah, I remember reading about that in the Q thread - I think you were actually the one who mentioned it. That’s part of why I eventually switched over to Test C too.

Funny enough, I recently pinned some Test E that had been sitting in my stash for about two years… and no PIP at all.
But I won’t lie - Test C feels really smooth, especially from Stan. Maybe I’m exaggerating a little, but it’s hard to explain… his oil just feels different in a good way compared to anything else I’ve used.

 

[Ghoul]

Yeah, I remember reading about that in the Q thread - I think you were actually the one who mentioned it. That’s part of why I eventually switched over to Test C too.

Funny enough, I recently pinned some Test E that had been sitting in my stash for about two years… and no PIP at all.
But I won’t lie - Test C feels really smooth, especially from Stan. Maybe I’m exaggerating a little, but it’s hard to explain… the oil just feels different in a good way compared to anything else I’ve used.

I know the feeling. When I switched from my local guy to a "pro" UGL, lumps, inflammation, went away, I thought that was normal at the time. Then I used a few other UGLs, minor pip once in a while, then on to my current favorite I've been using for a few years, and it was like injecting warm butter. No pain on the first shot, or 300 shots later. That experience earned my loyalty, and I haven't been disappointed ever since.

Unfortunately I suspect that will all be swept away with the gearpocolypse, but at least I won't have to worry for years after stocking up while the getting was good.

 

[RAW95]

I know the feeling. When I switched from my local guy to a "pro" UGL, lumps, inflammation, went away, I thought that was normal at the time. Then I used a few other UGLs, minor pip once in a while, then on to my current favorite I've been using for a few years, and it was like injecting warm butter. No pain on the first shot, or 300 shots later. That experience earned my loyalty, and I haven't been disappointed ever since.

Had the same experience with test E from a chinese source where I would feel from a minor pip to even some small lumps from time to time. On pin days I was able to tell which shoulder I had pinned the last time because I could feel it.

With my last source, again with test E, it feels butter smooth, I am on the second vial already and all the last pins had no pip at all. Nothing.

Funny thing is, while I was on pipy Test E for months, I caught flu-like symptoms 2 or 3 times. No idea if it was the gear or an actual flu—everyone around me was sick anyway, family, coworkers etc

 

[Billyboy290690]

How fucking rude are you?!

LOL, there's nothing rude about asking for details man.

Test-C is nearly identical to E in terms of effect. half life, etc.

However, something, still the subject of endless debate, changed in the way underground suppliers of Test-E raws manufacture it, which has led to countless complaints of injection site pain. Worse, even when it's initially painless, by some yet undetermined mechanism, it seems to degrade over time even in the finished oil product, producing not just pip (injection site pain), but flu like symptoms.

Go look at the Chilton forum for the latest in an endless stream of "My Test-E was fine last year, now it's the worst thing I've ever injected and I have to throw the remaining vials away.".

Test-C does not have this issue.

Thanks man, I think I’ll go for test C instead

 

[sliderke]

I tried 2 euro sources with test e and none gave me pip with test E. It all depends on the manufacturer

 

[bigboy420]

I tried 2 euro sources with test e and none gave me pip with test E. It all depends on the manufacturer

Yea, its just some made up shizo bro thing.

 

[Malphas]

There was an issue a few years back with batches of enanthate raws causing unusually severe pip, started just around before covid iirc. There were a bunch of theories about why, like the structure of the testosterone crystals themselves, but I don't think there was ever any conclusive answer to it.

In any case it's pretty much entirely resolved now and other than this particular time there's basically zero perceivable difference between enanthate and cypionate.