Test prop for trt

[Kevin87]

how many mg/ml?

100mg/ml

 

[niqTM]

100mg/ml

And no pip?

 

[Kevin87]

And no pip?

I haven't had any pip in a long time. Using 27g insulin pin w/ 5/8in needle in v glutes and upper thighs.

 

[Cyp180]

I haven't had any pip in a long time. Using 27g insulin pin w/ 5/8in needle in v glutes and upper thighs.

Mostly it’s just the prop ester, not the needle-size

 

[Scooby69]

I started TRT+ with daily test prop injections. IM/shallow IM (depending on the injection site) with a 29/30g 1/2" insulin syringe. I had pip the first 1-2 weeks. After that, none to speak of. Whether a 1/2" insulin syringe is IM or SQ will depend on the injection location and an individual's body composition. Also with the narrow gauge needles, you will need to warm up the oil first. That may also then help reduce pip.

I am glad I started with daily prop. It makes it easier to dial in the right dose. I also get an enjoyable boost in the morning from the release of the faster ester. For me, however, the downside may be that I do tend to get irritable in the evening as, I suspect, test levels start to fall. I am playing around with some homemade ester blends now to see if I can still keep that morning boost while smoothing out the fall off in the evening.

 

[ganciodestro]

I started TRT+ with daily test prop injections. IM/shallow IM (depending on the injection site) with a 29/30g 1/2" insulin syringe. I had pip the first 1-2 weeks. After that, none to speak of. Whether a 1/2" insulin syringe is IM or SQ will depend on the injection location and an individual's body composition. Also with the narrow gauge needles, you will need to warm up the oil first. That may also then help reduce pip.

I am glad I started with daily prop. It makes it easier to dial in the right dose. I also get an enjoyable boost in the morning from the release of the faster ester. For me, however, the downside may be that I do tend to get irritable in the evening as, I suspect, test levels start to fall. I am playing around with some homemade ester blends now to see if I can still keep that morning boost while smoothing out the fall off in the evening.

do you inject it in morning of evening?

 

[Scooby69]

do you inject it in morning of evening?

First thing every morning.

 

[niqTM]

Testosterone Phenylpropionate is a much superior ester if you want shorter esters. Might be a very large ester but last 2 days instead of 24 hours.

I brewed my prop with phenylprop and its super solid.

 

[Scooby69]

Testosterone Phenylpropionate is a much superior ester if you want shorter esters. Might be a very large ester but last 2 days instead of 24 hours.

I brewed my prop with phenylprop and its super solid.

I've been playing around with various blends of prop and phenylprop, w/ and w/o acetate. I should give phenylprop alone an honest chance. I've only used it alone when I knew I couldn't pin for a few days.

 

[ganciodestro]

First thing every morning.

I find that injecting it in the evening is the best time to give me a great feeling during the day. I’ve also tried doing it in the morning, but it feels like it gives me more of a boost in the afternoon and evening.

 

[niqTM]

I've been playing around with various blends of prop and phenylprop, w/ and w/o acetate. I should give phenylprop alone an honest chance. I've only used it alone when I knew I couldn't pin for a few days.

You get less for your money in phenylprop but the half life is what we were told Prop was a for a while.

The bad information we were fed for years was prop's half life was 36-48 hours. Now we are starting to figure out its less than 24 hours. More like 18 hours. Might be because most people (including myself) like thin oils (MCT, Miglyol812, EO) and that reduces the time to peak concentrations.

Phenylprop in MCT/Mig/EO fills that spot between 18 hours - 48 hours. My trough isn't anywhere near close to as low on phenylpropl as it was on regular prop and the blend also helps the pip.

Also, prop has the lightest ester. Phenyl prop has close, if not, to the heaviest. So you are getting around the same concentration you would of a Enanthate if you average the weights of the 2 esters out.

 

[Zmitmex]

So you're just using a standard ~29g insulin needle? Interested in this technique. Stating to build scar tissue in my glutes from daily test p IM glute injections with 25G X 1.5" needles. Been fine for months but starting to develop scar tissue. When I was shooting every 4 days it was fine but dailies won't fly long term. Was researching consumer level ultrasound wands to break up scar tissue as well.

Not sure how many people listen to Dave Lee (if you just in it for TRT I’d check out his YT, cycles not so much). I follow his reccomendation for a 29g 1/2” needle in the delt (swapping felts each time) and it’s been amazing.

I tried daily injections Subq with 200mg/ml MCT test from a TRT clinic in the states and I always ended up getting lumps after a few weeks.

Currently doing shots 4x/ wk and feel better than daily which I did for over a year.

PS - Dave had a recent video talking about how propionate has no place for TRT. Interesting to hear how some of you prefer it.

 

[jan912]

Testosterone Phenylpropionate is a much superior ester if you want shorter esters. Might be a very large ester but last 2 days instead of 24 hours.

I brewed my prop with phenylprop and its super solid.

I love TPP, wish more good sources here had it.

 

[Rawnjohnson]

I find that injecting it in the evening is the best time to give me a great feeling during the day. I’ve also tried doing it in the morning, but it feels like it gives me more of a boost in the afternoon and evening.

No issues with sleep taking it in the evening? I tried it, and it made it hard to go to sleep, but I was transitioning from Cyp so it may have just been the extra dosage. I’m about to drop to TRT levels for my yearly appointment and I’ll try it after that.

 

[maximooho]

I do daily injection before sleep. It feels a lot better than in the morning

 

[ganciodestro]

No issues with sleep taking it in the evening? I tried it, and it made it hard to go to sleep, but I was transitioning from Cyp so it may have just been the extra dosage. I’m about to drop to TRT levels for my yearly appointment and I’ll try it after that.

No,
I think it’s because, by injecting it before sleeping, the peak is reached in 5-6 hours and I’m already asleep…

The propionate I use is Driada, which if I’m not mistaken is castor oil (I remember it’s the same oil as Testovis from Farmacia Italiana, but I’m not sure if I’m confusing it with another oil), and it gives me a good boost towards the early afternoon, not in the morning right after waking up…

Actually, compared to the longer-acting ester, I really struggle to get up in the morning.

This is a downside of propionate.

 

[Cyp180]

I find that injecting it in the evening is the best time to give me a great feeling during the day. I’ve also tried doing it in the morning, but it feels like it gives me more of a boost in the afternoon and evening.

Inject prop early morning. That’s the only reason to use prop instead of longer esters

 

[ganciodestro]

Inject prop early morning. That’s the only reason to use prop instead of longer esters

Not for me

 

[ProgestegenicWarrior88]

I just started test prop for trt. Ive been sick, started right after competition so I havent been to the gym either. Hard to tell how i feel switching from test e/c for years. Im trying to figure out if its better to pin pm or am. I dont want it effecting my sleep. Im trying to mimic natural secretion best i can. Ive been doing it at night hoping that it peaks around the time i wake up but i wond r if im peaking too much while i sleep and causing problems. Im also worried if i do it in the morning im not peaking until the evening and causing sleep issues that way. Anyone who understand drug metabolism or has a lot of experienc with test prop, your input is greatly appreciated.

Ive noticed its the clueless looksmaxing children always obssesed with short esters. They have their place, but for TRT you could just do a shot of E or Cyp a week and be fine. One shot a week of Test Dec or Undec if youre especially neurotic

 

[Rawnjohnson]

Ive noticed its the clueless looksmaxing children always obssesed with short esters. They have their place, but for TRT you could just do a shot of E or Cyp a week and be fine. One shot a week of Test Dec or Undec if youre especially neurotic

Nope, mostly old guys who know exactly how their bodies respond to compounds. I’ve been using gear since the late 90s. As I’ve gotten older, prop definitely gives me more of a boost and libido on TRT than Cyp. That said, I still run Cyp on blasts.