Testing IGF-1 levels on Black Top Meditrope

[Eman]

My 10iu Ed of black tops didn't even get me over 450

Weren't you running accutane among other things with your hGH?

 

[JayWaWa]

I know. You could be one of the unlucky bodybuilders. Keep on running 4iu a day year round and try to notice after a year if you can keep more gains from steroid cycles.
I don't know why Chinese chemists aren't bothering to produce recombinant igf-1. There are very few companies in the world that produce it and people still believe that the lr3 is actually an igf-1.

The LR3 is junk. DES on the other hand is not if its from a descent source. You just have to hit 15+ shots a day unless youre just using it as a preworkout.

 

[Roco Bama]

Weren't you running accutane among other things with your hGH?

There are some people whose igf-1 level isn't stimulated well by hgh in the liver due to gh insensitivity or other factors but 400 reading can produce new muscle tissues after several years of taking hgh

 

[Eman]

There are some people whose igf-1 level isn't stimulated well by hgh in the liver due to gh insensitivity of other factors but 400 reading can produce new muscle tissues after several years of taking hgh

I'm aware however, accutane and other oral AAS can reduce IGF levels as well. I'm pretty sure he was running both if I remember correctly.

 

[DickySmalls]

Were you happy with your score at 4iu.

Not really

Weren't you running accutane among other things with your hGH?

Correct. I was the one that posted the link from reddit discussing a study on accutane affecting igf1 levels.

I'm aware however, accutane and other oral AAS can reduce IGF levels as well. I'm pretty sure he was running both if I remember correctly.

You remember correctly. I've currently chilled out a bit on the accutane and am not taking it daily anymore. I think I might get another igf-1 test at the end of this cruise (April if blood work is good).

 

[Roco Bama]

Not really



Correct. I was the one that posted the link from reddit discussing a study on accutane affecting igf1 levels.



You remember correctly. I've currently chilled out a bit on the accutane and am not taking it daily anymore. I think I might get another igf-1 test at the end of this cruise (April if blood work is good).

For your own sake, get off everything your running except trt and HGH. This time take 6iu of blacktop daily then get an igf blood test after a month. By doing this, you'll know for sure whether the low igf-1 score is due to genetic causes or drug use.

 

[CherryChillin]

I'm aware however, accutane and other oral AAS can reduce IGF levels as well. I'm pretty sure he was running both if I remember correctly.

What orals off your head reduce igf?

 

[CherryChillin]

Not really



Correct. I was the one that posted the link from reddit discussing a study on accutane affecting igf1 levels.



You remember correctly. I've currently chilled out a bit on the accutane and am not taking it daily anymore. I think I might get another igf-1 test at the end of this cruise (April if blood work is good).

I had cystic acne from taking iifym too far with processed dairy and veggie oil.
I used Accutane and hated it...

I fixed acne by reading the clear skin diet by Alan Logan.

There are a few key supplements

Zinc, vitamin a and e, epa omega 3

 

[Eman]

What orals off your head reduce igf?

I didn't actually mean directly reduce IGF levels, I'd be more concerned running orals that are taxing your liver and preventing it from producing optimal levels of IGF. However, I could be incorrect and it has little effect.

Biggest thing is, I wouldn't personally totally trust my hGH is underdosed if I pull a somewhat low IGF reading while running orals, accutane or nolva.

 

[Roco Bama]

I didn't actually mean directly reduce IGF levels, I'd be more concerned running orals that are taxing your liver and preventing it from producing optimal levels of IGF. However, I could be incorrect and it has little effect.

Biggest thing is, I wouldn't personally totally trust my hGH is underdosed if I pull a somewhat low IGF reading while running orals, accutane or nolva.

Are you currently running blacktops ? Did you ever get your IGF-1 tested ? There could be a possibility that blacktops can vary from batch to batch and many of them could be underdosed. Just cause a few vials came out consistant doesn't mean the blacktops are gtg. Any generic labs can go downhill just like that. I saw only 3 people on meso that posted their lab results on blacktops. 2 of them got low igf readings. It's very important for people running generics to do blood work. That's the only way to determine legitimacy.

 

[Eman]

Are you currently running blacktops ? Did you ever get your igf-1 tested ?

Yes I am. I did post bloods, I'll see if I can find them and post them here too. I believe it was an even 400 IGF level running 4iu a day. I'm running 6iu a day now and I have been considering pulling some more bloods to check it out.

It's very important for people running generics to do blood work. That's the only way to determine legitimacy.

I agree. That's why I mentioned about running the orals or accutane, I think it's important to remove the variables so we can get a clear picture on what the generics are doing.

Even still, hGH is fucking tricky. Some people seem to tend to test low while a select few others respond tremendously well.

 

[Roco Bama]

Yes I am. I did post bloods, I'll see if I can find them and post them here too. I believe it was an even 400 IGF level running 4iu a day. I'm running 6iu a day now and I have been considering pulling some more bloods to check it out.



I agree. That's why I mentioned about running the orals or accutane, I think it's important to remove the variables so we can get a clear picture on what the generics are doing.

Even still, hGH is fucking tricky. Some people seem to tend to test low while a select few others respond tremendously well.

Do blood work on the latest batch of blacktops. I remember when the greys were very consistent and people were getting good readings on their lab results. same thing for hyges and rips. I recommend every person running generics to get an igf blood test every time they reorder generic HGH

 

[nervje]

Do blood work on the latest batch of blacktops. I remember when the greys were very consistent and people were getting good readings on their lab results. same thing for hyges and rips. I recommend every person running generics to get an igf blood test every time they reorder generic HGH

Would be interesting where batch 23 tests at, since all the kits ive got were batch 23 except 1, which was 19.
Id do some testing, but labs in my city wont do igf testing for some weird reason..

 

[Roco Bama]

Would be interesting where batch 23 tests at, since all the kits ive got were batch 23 except 1, which was 19.
Id do some testing, but labs in my city wont do igf testing for some weird reason..

Which country do you live in ? Here in US we all get our blood tests from private labs. Can't you find a private lab in your country ?

 

[nervje]

Which country do you live in ? Here in US we all get our blood tests from private labs. Can't you find a private lab in your country ?

I live in europe
Yes there are private labs, but they dont offer igf tests here..already asked them and they dont even know themselves why they dont do it.
Only normal testing stuff like testosterone, estrogens, liver and all that basic stuff

 

[nervje]

Lol all that talk makes me curious as fuck now, hoping that the glorious overdosed times of the black tops arent over yet and i didnt come too late and actually stock up on underdosed stuff lol

 

[Roco Bama]

Lol all that talk makes me curious as fuck now, hoping that the glorious overdosed times of the black tops arent over yet and i didnt come too late and actually stock up on underdosed stuff lol

You're gonna have to rely on the results you have achieved ( wether you can keep more gains from previous cycles ) and blood results from other people to determine legitimacy of blacktops. I was about to start a log about blacktops, placing an order and doing blood work every 2 months since they are very affordable but I still haven't reached my genetic limit and I lost lots of muscle during a long cut. I see your only 25. Can you still keep gains from steroids alone ?

 

[nervje]

You're gonna have to rely on the results you have achieved ( wether you can keep more gains from previous cycles ) and blood results from other people to determine legitimacy of blacktops. I was about to start a log about blacktops, placing an order and doing blood work every 2 months since they are very affordable but I still haven't reached my genetic limit and I lost lots of muscle during a long cut. I see your only 25. Can you still keep gains from steroids alone ?

Well strength is going up slightly still, but often have setbacks because of injuries. Then work my way back up. What i can say, im right now almost at my strongest in certain exercises while having the lowest bodyfat MY WHOLE LIFE. Check my 3.5 years pct cycle log in the steroid section, coming off aas in 2-3 weeks and keeping a log on recovery. Will use peptides and blacktops to try to keep the aas gains.

 

[BigAli]

Are you currently running blacktops ? Did you ever get your IGF-1 tested ? There could be a possibility that blacktops can vary from batch to batch and many of them could be underdosed. Just cause a few vials came out consistant doesn't mean the blacktops are gtg. Any generic labs can go downhill just like that. I saw only 3 people on meso that posted their lab results on blacktops. 2 of them got low igf readings. It's very important for people running generics to do blood work. That's the only way to determine legitimacy.

After 40 days administration of blacktops batch 20, 3iu/day my reading came out 369. I was off of hrt for 20 days. Last reading on batch 19 was almost 500.

 

[mands]

After 40 days administration of blacktops batch 20, 3iu/day my reading came out 369. I was off of hrt for 20 days. Last reading on batch 19 was almost 500.

Batch 19 was also 3 iu's a day?

mands