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MuscleFreak said:
Hahaha yeah fat kid and well known scammer ...all his knowledge is Google search
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I can’t take looking at him, between the hairline and compressed square face, he looks literally like a hairy ape. The podcast of him and the other dude “bullshitting” has become unlistenable. The most obscure and esoteric bullshit.
 
Bumpygooch said:
I can’t take looking at him, between the hairline and compressed square face, he looks literally like a hairy ape. The podcast of him and the other dude “bullshitting” has become unlistenable. The most obscure and esoteric bullshit.
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I know ,hate that guy. Everything he says is lie...and imagine using dnp,clen,t3 and still u go on stage looking fat
 
All Nats McGee said:
Arnold’s favorite stack
15mg Dbol base
200mg Primo E

He didn’t need grams of gear to win the Olympia.
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But Schwarzenegger’s old gym mates say he consumed far more muscle-building drugs over a longer period than he has acknowledged. They say Schwarzenegger told them that he began taking Dianabol, a popular steroid, at the age of 17 in Germany and routinely injected other testosterone-like substances after arriving in America in 1968.

Mike Mentzer adminted to taking 3g of deca alone

Arnold was also known to pop dbol like candy and was known to also do whatever it takes to win

The reality is that guys in that era were actually taking 2g to 3g of gear or more they just like to inflate their status and pretend they took the least amount possible
 
RebornNez said:
But Schwarzenegger’s old gym mates say he consumed far more muscle-building drugs over a longer period than he has acknowledged. They say Schwarzenegger told them that he began taking Dianabol, a popular steroid, at the age of 17 in Germany and routinely injected other testosterone-like substances after arriving in America in 1968.

Mike Mentzer adminted to taking 3g of deca alone

Arnold was also known to pop dbol like candy and was known to also do whatever it takes to win

The reality is that guys in that era were actually taking 2g to 3g of gear or more they just like to inflate their status and pretend they took the least amount possible
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Where did he get that bs? Arnold was on 100mg d-bol daily.
If someone really thinks there is some special genetics that u take small amount 200mg test and 150mg ace per week and becomes like Phil heath needs to grow up... there is no such a Thing,only genetic benefit is how u can handle the sides...who trains better,eats more and can handle more drugs will get more freaky physique. Only how muscle will look will be different.

And in Arnold era also they would have no idea how much of what they were taking,they would just use everything they have on hand. Zero knowledge about drugs
 
Actually, Mike never admitted to 3gms. His buddy, Casey Viator said Mike was known to use 2,500gms. of D. And I hate to be a name dropper, but I knew Mike personally.
 
MuscleFreak said:
I have been low test guy long before when i believe dickheads like broderick Chavez and so on,but no matter how much i increase anabolics results are not the same..once i start high test cycles it was night and day difference ,fuller, stronger and gain so much more size
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If I remember correctly a few years ago in a thread you said you have been cruising on 500mg for like two years? Are you still doing this? Have you had any issues while doing that?
 
SilentButDeadly said:
Something I picked up on a while ago is it seems the biggest guys run high test but they don't use an ai. Apparently estrogen helps with growth and promotes it through different pathways.
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Absolutely it allows the other compounds to work at their full potential as well
 
justanoob said:
If I remember correctly a few years ago in a thread you said you have been cruising on 500mg for like two years? Are you still doing this? Have you had any issues while doing that?
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Yeah never had an issue,only some orals mess up my bloodwork so i avoid them... also my highest for EQ was 1400mg and bp was around 120.
 
Everybody is posting about "so and so" on the internet or, "Oh, I heard Arnold . . . " Come on, guys, you don't know how much of anything Arnold was doing, nor do you know whether some guy on the internet was being truthful.

What about Meso members? The only poster who really answered the question is MuscleFreak.

I know we have some other big guys.

I don't qualify, and now I am too old to get big.

Does Meso have any low testosterone advocates who are also big? So far, the answer appears to be no. Anybody?
 
malfeasance said:
Everybody is posting about "so and so" on the internet or, "Oh, I heard Arnold . . . " Come on, guys, you don't know how much of anything Arnold was doing, nor do you know whether some guy on the internet was being truthful.

What about Meso members? The only poster who really answered the question is MuscleFreak.

I know we have some other big guys.

I don't qualify, and now I am too old to get big.

Does Meso have any low testosterone advocates who are also big? So far, the answer appears to be no. Anybody?
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Jordan Peters was honest about he also said to reach freak size he needed to push high test ,no matter how much anabolics u use u can't get there... this is how i look on it testosterone is most natural hormone for our body and also hormone that we produce,it like engine the higher the test more muscle we can carry, everything else is like upgrade power up more...now Jordan Peters is using low test for him it is 700-800 but high anabolics like 1500 NPP cause like he said enough size and bigger he gets start to hold too much water, can't breathe and so on
 
Ok, if they were throwing big cycles, why they are in pretty good shape and HEALT right now? Isn't that beacouse of high protein moderate/low carb/ moderate fat diet and not using DHT that hard? Im thinking all time about letting carbs be little lower, and get more fats since I do not use insulin, dont U think this will save more cholesterols in range etc?
 
All I can add is that I've added most of the mass I've gained with higher test cycles... (between 500 mg to a gram a week) Of course, other anabolics were added on top.

I wouldn't say I'm one of the big guys here, but my leanest and heaviest was about 240 lbs BW at %15 BF 6' height.

For the last year or so I've been keeping my test doses to 350 for blasts. I've gained about 40 pounds in the last 4 years when I left natty life behind. Started dropping the test dosage as I became more focused on maintaining a leaner physique. Also I became less drug focused and more diet conscious.

I am currently at my leanest since high school (which is about 25 years ago.....shit, guess I'm getting old). I'm prepping for next blast and it'll be a bulk carefully titrating cals upward as I'd like to add a bit more size.

So, whatever concensus we can reach here from experience would be a real benefit. This thread has me considering upping my test dosage higher than I'd previously planned.

I don't think I've really got many more big bulking blasts left in me. Soon, ill be riding off into the sunset or primo amd trt dosed test. So, maybe we can get a consensus here from experiences.

Thanks guys.

Nice thread @malfeasance
 
Spokeonawheel said:
All I can add is that I've added most of the mass I've gained with higher test cycles... (between 500 mg to a gram a week) Of course, other anabolics were added on top.

I wouldn't say I'm one of the big guys here, but my leanest and heaviest was about 240 lbs BW at %15 BF 6' height.

For the last year or so I've been keeping my test doses to 350 for blasts. I've gained about 40 pounds in the last 4 years when I left natty life behind. Started dropping the test dosage as I became more focused on maintaining a leaner physique. Also I became less drug focused and more diet conscious.

I am currently at my leanest since high school (which is about 25 years ago.....shit, guess I'm getting old). I'm prepping for next blast and it'll be a bulk carefully titrating cals upward as I'd like to add a bit more size.

So, whatever concensus we can reach here from experience would be a real benefit. This thread has me considering upping my test dosage higher than I'd previously planned.

I don't think I've really got many more big bulking blasts left in me. Soon, ill be riding off into the sunset or primo amd trt dosed test. So, maybe we can get a consensus here from experiences.

Thanks guys.

Nice thread @malfeasance
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I’m in a similar boat at 47, planned one last huge bulk blast for this month, like 850-900mg test, 750mg primo and 4iu/day, then transition into blasts with lower test and primo. But, my shoulder exploded last month(surgery 2 weeks ago), hoping to pull off a 12 week blast this summer, maybe 600 prop, 500 NPP, 250 mast p and run that big bulk blast next January. I guess my body will tell me what I can/can’t do at this age.
 
I mean in all honesty why not just run 1:1 ratio of testosterone to DHT derivative like primo which will keep your estrogen in check and then even add nandrolone or trenbolone and you have the perfect cycle that will utilize every anabolic growth pathway
 
Also, I remember seeing Markus Ruhl in person back a long time ago. His sheer size was incredible and there is no question he was a high test guy. Unbelievable mass!
 
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