Thanking God

[crewboss]

yeah, counting all the poly-theists out and looking @ the big 3 - think about all of the holy wars over the past 4-5000 years that were sparked by splilled over religious debate between the big 3. hell most lines on an atlas can be traced back and drawn as the result of either a christian-islamic orchristian-judaic holy war. i just believe that organized religion's most prolific legacy is racism and hate.

LMFAO i meant over the past 2000 years

 

[maxx]

Maybe you got a point there. My wife does frequently say "Oh, thank you, God!" when we're in bed. Maybe I do have a God-given talent.

Seriously, that matter is probably not debatable. It gives people warm, fuzzy feelings to think that God bestowed some special gift upon them. Everyone wants to believe their life has a purpose. If you do believe in God, then research the scriptures, you will see that you are not special. But God may have a place for you in His plan.

God does have a place for me and you and everyone else in his plan.in his eyes everone is special.if you read the scriptures you will see that.everyone does have a purpose,to God everyones purpose is to serve him.i know that people including myself doesnt do it as often or like they should,but that how sin was formed in the first place.

and btw everything is debatable,this is just a complex one.

maxx

 

[CyniQ]

On what basis do you say "research the scriptures, you will see that youre not special?"

lol. That was a joke. The scriptures say that God knows the number of hairs on your head. He obviously thinks you're special, I was just trying to make the point that you can't expect him to guide your every step.

everything is debatable,this is just a complex one.

Maxx if I told you that it would hurt like hell if I were to drop a marble or pachinko ball on your head... Where's Hogg when you need him?

 

[garyzilla]

I know! Bwahahahahahah!

Damn you, CyniQ! I was going to mention the war thing, too. I guess the recent skirmishes against the muslims can support Garyzilla's point, though. They prayed to Allah and we prayed to God and they lost. Obviously, God is the real god and Allah does not exist since the followers of God won and the followers of Allah lost.

Grizzly just to let you know I have nothing against Muslims. I respect my Muslim brothers and sisiters. I believe they are wrong, but I have respect for them. You do not think very highly of me, do you Grizzly?

 

[stevemac]

WHen people thank God it's just thanking God at that time for getting them where they are with the talent they have, as far as God not giving people talents, I don't believe that. When I see Roy jones Box I think God had to give someone like that the talent to do what he does so well, he sees the punches before his opponent knows he's gonna throw a punch. Same with wayne gretzky or michael jordan, I believe they were born to do what they did. just MO. I also think Satan has more to do with war then God, God does not want to see people die.

 

[chris gordon]

i love it when people think they are too intelligent to believe in God, that God is somehow a crutch for the ignorant.....or attempt to explain the will of God to mans understanding. we are all created in Gods image, God is perfect, makes no mistakes...if someone is retarded...they are not less than in the eyes of God

 

[Grizzly]

I love it when people think themselves so special that they MUST have been created in "God's image". I mean, it's not like God could be a caterpillar or anything. It's a certainty that God is humanoid in shape. I mean, why else would us "special" human beings exist if it were not to reflect the image of god? LOL

Garyzilla- No sir, I have no problem with you at all. I think you're a plenty nice fellow. I disagree something fierce with you, but that's what makes it so much fun.

 

[Grizzly]

Mmmmm, as long as I'm on the subject..... My response when people ask me what religion I am is "I'm intelligent." On top of that, I do believe that "religion is the opiate of the masses" is the most intelligent thing that Marx ever came up with.

I just figured I'd be extra ornery this evening.

 

[Mark Kerr]

My pet-peeve is when Rappers walk around with 10k cross necklace and pray to Christ. Since when does Christ agree with shooting people, excessive drunkeness and greed, and having sex with as many women as possible?

I dont mind boxers, fighters, etc. thanking God. I dont think God has anything against respectful combat. People in the ring dont hate each other, in fact they usually hug out of respect for the other fighter at the end. USUALLY.

Also, every good philosopher knows that Marx's greatest contribution was his look...he had a wicked haircut/beard going on! We could all only hope to be so puuuurrrrttttyyy!

 

[Mark Kerr]

Also, Grizzly, do you believe in ANY religious or even metaphysical system? Just curious...

 

[Bob Smith]

I like Marx's politcal/economic system. Wait, isnt that similar to Kerry's platform?

 

[motoman]

god bless

Sure maxx. If you believe in God then you must believe that at some point you will answer to him for your actions. Fine. What does that have to do with thanking him for giving you the ability to knock-out, out-run, or out-whatever your opponent? God given talent is a crock. God doesn't decide when you're born that you will be an athlete, or mathematician. In an immediate sense he doesn't have any involvement in your birth whatsoever. He set into motion the factors that allowed you to be talented but he didn't personally bestow your talents upon you. And he doesn't care if you win an Oscar or not.

glad you know everything.well since you do how bout next weeks
winny lotto numbers.
ps
when something bad happens to you god will always be there
god bless you.
dont just love your friends love and pray for your enemies
what reward is there for loving your friends.even the devil
loves his own
amen

 

[Grizzly]

No, not really, Mark. I've tried a few. The only one I can even begin to accept is Deism, and a very watered down version at that. I like LaVey's Satanism, which is really just "naturalism". I've been confirmed, but I gave up Catholicism for Lent 10 years ago and I never picked it back up. Odinism is cool, but I could never BELIEVE, though I have fucked around with the pagan traditions for a few years.

 

[oldtimer]

How come when people win awards, games, boxing matches, etc. they always say, "I'd like to thank God for this."? What role did he play in the matter. When a child dies from cancer or a drunk driver kills a family of four, how come no one says, "I would like to thank God for this?"

It is our belief (Islam) that when a bad thing happens to you, God is actually purifying your soul from sins. For example, prophets had the biggest share when it comes down to physical/mental stress, thus, they are the purest of souls. So, as a good believer, i should thank God even if something that "looks/feels" bad happens, coz the outcome (cleansing) is good, in this sense, all things are good, hence the constant thanking.

Similarly, let's assume that God does play some role in it. Is it then safe to say that God loves some people more than others(aside from the obvious love for a, more or less, righteous, sinless person)?

See above.

It would seem that way since the winners have been blessed with more talent than the losers. Would it be safe to say that God loves retarded people less than geniuses since he "blessed" them with sub-standard intelligence and physical abilities and, hence, a horeshit existence?

Again, we believe that if you're a winner, then you need to make sure you help the less-fortunate and avoid sins at all costs since you're not having problems.

My pet-peeve is when Rappers walk around with 10k cross necklace and pray to Christ. Since when does Christ agree with shooting people, excessive drunkeness and greed, and having sex with as many women as possible?

Yup, totally agree here..

 

[crewboss]

It is our belief (Islam) that when a bad thing happens to you, God is actually purifying your soul from sins. QUOTE]




sounds like self loathing masochism to me. what kind of incentive is that to a rational believer who may not have the mental capacity to process the above statement at more than face value... " hmmmmm pain = salvation. so the more pain, the more salvation". now let's assume the believer is both short sighted and devout. can that rationality translate to anything less than a dangerous situation?

 

[patsfan]

I dont beleve in god persay and am on the fence about the the whole higher power thing in general. I have always been of the opinion that humans cant deal with thier own mortality and cant except the fact that when you take the big dirt nap that its over.

I am trying to come around on this issue but it has not been easy. When I hear about people speak of Adam and Eve, I want to laugh in there face.

Ive always liked the idea of karma(or instant karma in my case) and the eb and flow of energy in the universe.

Pats

 

[Bob Smith]

I dont beleve in god persay and am on the fence about the the whole higher power thing in general. I have always been of the opinion that humans cant deal with thier own mortality and cant except the fact that when you take the big dirt nap that its over.

I am trying to come around on this issue but it has not been easy. When I hear about people speak of Adam and Eve, I want to laugh in there face.

Ive always liked the idea of karma(or instant karma in my case) and the eb and flow of energy in the universe.

Pats

You laugh about Adam & Eve, yet go on to talk about the energy in the universe??

 

[patsfan]

You laugh about Adam & Eve, yet go on to talk about the energy in the universe??

Well I believe in evolution Bob and as I say I am still trying to discover this for myself.
Energy is a tangible thing and we have yet to understand the wonders of the universe. Life force is energy..I wont deny that and it may continue in some form so I will keep an open mind but yes I do not believe in Adam and Eve or Apollo for that matter.

 

[Chip Bronson]

You laugh about Adam & Eve, yet go on to talk about the energy in the universe??

bob, you kinda confused me. what does the 'story' of adam and eve have to do with the energy of the universe? one is a story, a way of giving meaning to an unknown, and the other is physics.

 

[Bob Smith]

Do you feng shui your house, too?