THE FULL VIDEO of the guy getting beheaded

[Rod]

Def staged, and i mean DEF staged. I know what a beheading looks like (and trust me when i say that), the guy was dead at least 2 hours before the beheading.

Open your eyes ppl, US soldiers torturing/raping Iraqis (i too have seen the pics Steve was talking about regarding the women rape, it's all over this part of the world) and the world gets so pissed at Rumsfeld, so *he* releases this video and now all Americans/world say Arabs are savage and all of a sudden what happens in the Abu Ghraib prosion isn't that bad after all. Tell me, why did they release this video at this time (after the prision pics and rage against Rumsfeld)?

P.S. If you think this video was brutal, then i guess we have a different definition of the word "brutal".

Ren, you seem intelligent in many of your posts, but you *assume* a lot.
-OT

Let me get this straight; I am not quite sure I understand what you are saying.

1) The video is a fraud it doesn't actually show a live beheading. It is a fraud.

2) It was released by the defense department. Rumsfeld himself?

3) That you have seen pictures of a rape of an Iraqi woman by 3 US soldiers? Yet none of the credible news organizations have ran it? I would like to see that picture and who ran it. Do you have a source?

4)"P.S. If you think this video was brutal, then I guess we have a different definition of the word "brutal". I guess so; we in the West are incapable of recognizing brutality.

I don't mean to be disrespectful it is just that your views are preposterous.

 

[bigdude]

that stupid video doesn't even work. wtf!

 

[oldtimer]

Let me get this straight; I am not quite sure I understand what you are saying.

1) The video is a fraud it doesn't actually show a live beheading. It is a fraud.

2) It was released by the defense department. Rumsfeld himself?

3) That you have seen pictures of a rape of an Iraqi woman by 3 US soldiers? Yet none of the credible news organizations have ran it? I would like to see that picture and who ran it. Do you have a source?

4)"P.S. If you think this video was brutal, then I guess we have a different definition of the word "brutal". I guess so; we in the West are incapable of recognizing brutality.

If that is actually what you are saying then all I can say is "LOL". I don't mean to be disrespectful it is just that your views are preposterous. By the way you are a f****** moron. We in the West may not be able to recognize brutality, be we are capable of spotting morons.

1- yes, it's a fraud. It was released to calm the anger of the world against Rumsfel & Co. and show that Iraqi prisoners deserved that type of treatment.

2- Yes. Even Nick's father said that. BTW, many people around Nick said he was a muslim, not a jew.

3- None of the news channels that *you* see ran it. None of the news channels here ran the story about Nick too. News channles show you what you want to see. Al-Jazeera talked about it, Al-Arabia talked about it, ANN talked about it. Check their websites, they're seen in this part of the world as credible sources, just like CNN and Fox News. (BTW, i think the pics about Iraqi women being raped are staged, just like the video in this thread).

4- You could've said "why do you think it was not brutal OT?" instead of calling me a "f****** moron". I said what i said to let you ppl know the type of lives we live in the mid east. Too much violence, and death by the dozens make your heart hard as a rock. I meant no disrespect or whatsoever to Nick, he's a human being, and a fellow muslim. I was trying to make a point that you guys are just seeing a glimpse of what many of our kids see daily (especially in Palestine/Iraq).

P.S. Even if you call me a moron again, I'm not going to call you a moron, i just don't operate that way.

-OT

 

[Rod]

4- You could've said "why do you think it was not brutal OT?" instead of calling me a "f****** moron". I said what i said to let you ppl know the type of lives we live in the mid east. Too much violence, and death by the dozens make your heart hard as a rock. I meant no disrespect or whatsoever to Nick, he's a human being, and a fellow muslim. I was trying to make a point that you guys are just seeing a glimpse of what many of our kids see daily (especially in Palestine/Iraq).

P.S. Even if you call me a moron again, I'm not going to call you a moron, i just don't operate that way.

-OT

Your right that was inappropriate to call you a moron, especially because you are clearly not one. Sorry I was drunk; I find myself having to apologize too often for things I say when I'm drunk. Guess I better quit posting when I've been drinking. Again, Im sorry and I'll edit out.

 

[oldtimer]

Your right that was inappropriate to call you a moron, especially because you are clearly not one. Sorry I was drunk; I find myself having to apologize too often for things I say when I'm drunk. Guess I better quit posting when I've been drinking. Again, Im sorry and I'll edit out.

Apology accepted. Alcohol and meso don't mix well i guess .

-OT

 

[patsfan]

Apology accepted. Alcohol and meso don't mix well i guess .

-OT

How do you feel about this piece of shit Arafat telling Muslims to commit terrorism the other day? This is the epicenter of all the trouble and until he is dealt with for good things will only get worse.

I dont get it...do they really think killing us will make us go away.. It only gives the media a venue to help Bush take a stronger foothold.

 

[Bob Smith]

2- Yes. Even Nick's father said that. BTW, many people around Nick said he was a muslim, not a jew.

Im not sure if he was a Muslim or not, but he and his family are strongly anti-Bush.

(BTW, i think the pics about Iraqi women being raped are staged, just like the video in this thread).

It was covered in the news here, but not for long. Apparently the pictures came from a porn site and were staged.

OT, since you have lived in a part of hte world where torture and brutality is fairly commonplace and have alluded to the fact that you have seen beheadings, what about that Berg video leads you to believe that 1) it was staged and 2) he was dead for at least 2 hours before having his cut sliced off?

Rod, if you constantly have to appologize for things you do/say while you are drunk, I think that is a strong indicator that you shoudnt get drunk.

 

[Rod]

Rod, if you constantly have to appologize for things you do/say while you are drunk, I think that is a strong indicator that you shoudnt get drunk.

Right you are Bob. It is something that I am working on; I've been going to AA but haven't been fully successful in quitting yet. I am doing quite better though.

 

[Tiki]

It was covered in the news here, but not for long. Apparently the pictures came from a porn site and were staged.

That's true, it was from a porn site. The one Boston paper that ran the story has retracted it, but that won't stop some from using it to advance their agenda.

 

[Tiki]

Stevemac, my biggest problem with your calling the nuclear attacks against Hiroshima and Nagasaki acts of American terrorism is it ignores the historical context of how WWII was fought. The act of terror bombing of civilian targets was widely practiced by both sides. It began with the indiscriminant bombing of Warsaw and other Polish cities, followed by Rotterdam, Belgrade, and many British cities by the Germans. The British bombing of German population centers was born out of desperation. Churchill wrote a famous letter indicating that this was the only hope for stopping the overwhelming prospect of German domination. He considered German domination the ultimate catostrophe. He saw this as the only offensive available to the British. In hard times you are sometimes forced to make ugly choices. When the US finally joined the war we accepted this strategy of terror bombing. It was a standard mode of operation among the participants.

Now I want Turn to the situation in Japan, which our military leaders and politicians had to face. By the summer of 1945 no one in position of power in Japan believed victory was possible for Japan. The consensus among Japanese leaders of the time was that honor was more important than defeat. On June 6 1945 the Japanese Supreme council approved a document called fundamental policy to be followed henceforth in the conduct of the war. This provided for the use of 10,000 suicide planes, 2,350,000 troops to fight on the beeches, backed by 4,000,000 army and navy civil employees, and a civilian militia of 28,000,000. The Japanese Diet soon passed legislation to form this army.

American intelligence quickly became aware of the Japanese fight to the finish strategy. The American military commanders calculated from there experience in the mid-pacific Islands that American land invasion would cost the Americans about 1 million in casualties. It would also cost Japanese servicemen about 10 to 20 million.

Considering the human cost of a land invasion it seemed a rational and indeed humane solution to increase firepower by the development and use of the a-bomb in response to the irrational obstinacy of those in charge of Japans destiny. The nuclear bombings saved enormous American and Japanese lives by making it unnecessary for a mainland invasion.

Chris Gordon impressively hit the nail on the head: the atomic bombs dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki were not in retaliation for anything...they were simply to avoid a mainland invasion of japan...which would have clamied so many more japanese civilians lives...im not condoning it by any means....but war is hell, and the japanese had the chance to surrender after the firstbomb, but choose not to....we gave them 9 days or so before the second one.

Rod and Chris Gordon have nailed it using history and facts, something severely lacking by some on this board. After the first A-Bomb, the Japanese govt was not convinced that this was something we could do again. You also have to remember, after being at war for several years, our mindset at the time, and it was correct, was that invading Japan and giving up thousands more American lives was not worth it. It's real easy for the pacifists to sit in their comfortable living rooms and second guess the decisions that were made when it is not their safety that was at stake.

As far as the Japanese being noble, I suggest you look into the Bataan Death March and see how American POWs were treated. Or talk to anyone from Korea or China that knows their country's history and their relationships with Japan. Throughout history Japan has been probably the most brutal military ever.

 

[Phreezer]

Here's the link to the photo's of the supposed raping.. I believe these photo's have been completely debunked now. Sad as it sounds, IIRC this was nothing more than a scripted underground porn movie (some very sick people get off on watching women being raped) .

http://www.aztlan.net/iraqi_women_raped.htm

So don't put too much stock in this "Photo's of U.S. Soldiers rapine Iraqi Women" thing... cause it's b.s.

And oldtimer, I have very similar suspicians as yours wrt to them killing him, and then cutting off his head... IMO there would be a great deal more blood if they had cut his throat while his heart was still beating... (that is purely speculation on my part and based on nothing more)

I wish we would just learn to leave these people to their own devices and stop trying to force western standards on the rest of the world.

 

[oldtimer]

Here's why i think the video was a fraud:

1- When you behead someone (even small animals) blood keep gushing out like a hose. When the body dies, the heart stops, and blood stops in the veins. If you kill someone and leave him for awhile then cut him, you'll notice that no blood will gush out, and the little blood that comes out is very dark.
2- The guy beheading Nick is supposedly Al-Zarqawi. Al-Zarqwai has a Jordanian accent, and this guy was clearly not Jordanian, he was more of a Yemeni trying to sound Iraqi.
3- The gold ring. It's forbidden in Islam to wear gold rings by males. How can they be extremists and do something as stupid as this is beyond me.
4- And as it has been pointed out before, the time on the camera.

-OT

 

[Desibaba]

Here's why i think the video was a fraud:

1- When you behead someone (even small animals) blood keep gushing out like a hose. When the body dies, the heart stops, and blood stops in the veins. If you kill someone and leave him for awhile then cut him, you'll notice that no blood will gush out, and the little blood that comes out is very dark.
2- The guy beheading Nick is supposedly Al-Zarqawi. Al-Zarqwai has a Jordanian accent, and this guy was clearly not Jordanian, he was more of a Yemeni trying to sound Iraqi.
3- The gold ring. It's forbidden in Islam to wear gold rings by males. How can they be extremists and do something as stupid as this is beyond me.
4- And as it has been pointed out before, the time on the camera.

-OT

I agree.In pakistan i have seen the slaughtering of goats and cows myself on Eid on numerous occasions and there is a shitload of blood all over the place.Even though this is done by people who cut animals for a living.Its impossible that guy's head was chopped off and he lost only that much blood.I smell a rat in the "bush"

 

[MANWHORE]

Man,i just watched it and i did get mad. I'm still mad.... That's horrible... and sad.... I can't even begin to imagine how his father felt when he saw it,if he watched it. I'm sure he did. If that was my son,i'd want some serious revenge.

 

[micro]

If you look really close there's a shit load of blood. But it's really hard to see because of the quality of the video.

 

[BigDrip]

From an old saying...

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

 

[thick]

How can you call hiroshima and nagasaki terrorism? you know how many lives were saved by doing that? Japan wouldve fought until every last soldier was dead. It was a smart move IMO and really I have no right to second guess it and either does anyone else who wasnt even born at that time
america was a part of, heroshima anyone, nagasaki? what about about the villages in vietnam that were carpet bombed just to bring civilian population down to demoralize the enemy? remember in japan that these cities that were destroyed were civilian targets, ands virgin targets with very little military presence.[/QUOTE]

 

[thick]

lmfao
You dont stick up for shit...the salvation army could kick your ass.[/QUOTE]

 

[thick]

good point. we really condone that shit. give me a break

By the way, where did you see that photo? I would like to check that story out. I haven't heard anything about it. Who ran the story and published the photo?

 

[thick]

One wasnt enough. They were given the opportunity to surrender and would not. 2 almost didnt get them to surrender. Think what you will but way more JAP and U.S. lives were saved by those bombs than killed. Japan believed it was more honorable to die than surrender. Most of their people did not want to surrender. Even after the 2nd bomb a majority favored fighting til the death. Their emperor was in the minority on the surrender. We would've had a land assault that would've made all other battles pale in comparison if not for those bombs.

One was way more than enough. After seeing what the first one did and dropping a second puts the powers at be in the same boat of any other mass murderer.