muscle96ss
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I'm sorry I didn't realize that I quoted you....wait I didn't so piss off please
Who the fuck cares whether you quote me or not? Remember this is an uncensored board, I can respond to anybodies posts that I want.
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Who the fuck cares whether you quote me or not? Remember this is an uncensored board, I can respond to anybodies posts that I want.
Agreed brother it is a shame but do you see any Meso members camped out at PM?
I haven't been there in a while so i cant answer that , but i do know mands is also a member there and he's good people. Also mands says muscles is a good guy and ill take that as i have a lotta respect for mands. The beef between Dr JIM and muscles goes back over a year and is none of my business. I like the guy and feel he is here cause he is very interested in all things gh. He feels Dr JIMS testing is flawed and i disagree with him on that, but that doesnt mean i gotta dislike the guy.
I have read alot of his post both here and at PM in this last year that as a gh user , i found helpful. And ive never seen him push a lab. Also he has never pm'd me pushing a lab so i think calling him a rep or a shill is unwarranted. If anybody here has been pm'd by him pushing a lab im sure we would know about it by now.
All im sayin is can we just try and be a little more civil to each other? I mean whats it gonna hurt ?
CdnGuy
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Yes I'm aware Mands is also over at PM but I'm gonna guess he carries himself and show alot of respect when there. Unlike the certain few that are here. So imo you get what you give!
muscle96ss
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Yes I'm aware Mands is also over at PM but I'm gonna guess he carries himself and show alot of respect when there. Unlike the certain few that are here. So imo you get what you give!
So when someone disrespects me and attacks me by calling me a liar, drug dealer, and other things; I am supposed to be respectful back? You don't know the history between Jim and I, so in all fairness, how can you make an accurate judgment?
CdnGuy
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Do you sling GH or gear?
muscle96ss
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I am not sure what the term "sling" means. I use low dosage AAS(TRT a fair percentage) and HGH. I am 49 y/o and more interested in longevity at this point.
Yes I'm aware Mands is also over at PM but I'm gonna guess he carries himself and show alot of respect when there. Unlike the certain few that are here. So imo you get what you give!
K so heres the plan. Roll up a fatty and smoke it, wait 20 min and eat some taco's. As many as it takes. Then lets start over, no anger , no name calling and no old grudges. Im betting we could ALL get along just fine. Well unless you dont like taco's, i dont trust anyone who dont like taco's [emoji15]
CdnGuy
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Excuse me a vet like you doesn't know what "sling" means? ......ok
muscle96ss
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Excuse me a vet like you doesn't know what "sling" means? ......ok
Actually I don't; I guess I am lying about being around for decades too. I actually paid them to change my join date on AB, PM, and other boards.
Excuse me a vet like you doesn't know what "sling" means? ......ok
Its street term for selling drugs. Not really used in aas or gh sales. More like slingin dope.
CdnGuy
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Do you sell gear ? (sling)
muscle96ss
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Hell no!! I have a real job. And more importantly I have 2 young kids; no way in hell I am going to risk that. They are the main purpose of my life; this shit is just a hobby and definitely not a priority. Like I said earlier, I don't even order my gear international because of the risk.
CdnGuy
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Fair enough I can respect that and I asked because you said you had been called a "drug dealer".
muscle96ss
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Yes, Jim and his cronies have said that numerous times over the years. Thats part of the issue. I can't respect someone who treats me that way and is willing to post things like that out in the open with no factual proof.
People need to know regardless of the assay selected, NO TEST IS 100% accurate NONE.
But based on existing evidence an Amino Acid Assay IS the most reliable means of QUANTIFYING GH and is also why the NIH used
an AAA to quantify the FIRST international GH STANDARD!
Ok so now that we know WHAT TEST to use the NEXT objective is to locate a lab that has extensive experience in AA research.
Well the RESEARCH lab we are using has 15 years of AA testing under their belt and uses a tandem system with redundant checks and balances MOST of which is automated.
(A "research" lab in this context is important bc this lab is responsible for some of the data being cited in several peer reviewed journals, and nothing would crash a lab faster than dubious data in published research)
So if an technical or experimental error occurred the hiccup being spit out by one apparatus would be "caught" by the other machine, or at least that's the idea.
For instance this arrangement utilizes TWO INTERNAL STANDARDS while ONE EXTERNAL STANDARD serves as the ASSAYS "CONTROL". (SINGLE AA AND AA RATIOS are then compared by computer to KNOWN rHGH for quantification!)
Compare this setup to that of many stand alone HPLC systems which use ONE STANDARD ---- if you're lucky.
The problem that may still occur in ANY system is the human factor (but once again this system limits human errors considerably)
They include wrong sample testing like misidentifying sample number 22 for 24.
What's the most important means of circumventing human error?
The EXPERIENCE and COMMITMENT of the technician, and by that I mean someone who runs this type of testing sooooo frequently they could do it in her SLEEP.
And once again the ONE individual assigned to conduct these tests has 15 YEARS of experience in AAA, and a masters degree in bio-chem surely doesn't hurt IMO.
So heck yea I believe he/she knows their job and when to suspect something doesn't quite add up!
The bottom line, the data is as accurate as it can be, absent a formal "research protocol" and while that's far from perfect it's pretty darn good with an overall MARGIN OF ERROR of roughly
5-10%
To that end if someone wants "more reliable results", whatever that is, then PLEASE DONT USE THIS DATA, but rather conduct your own assays!
PROBLEM SOLVED!
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CdnGuy
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Yours & Jims past is no business of mine M96ss. But Jim and his "cronies" I do consider friends.
muscle96ss
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Mands and I are friends and treat each other with respect. You don't have to agree with what someone says or even be their friend to have a civil discussion. It is not my intention to go around attacking people and I welcome productive discussion, like what we have been doing the past several posts. But as long as people are attacking me first, I will stand up for what I believe and attack back. I have tried to get this thread back on track several times, but every time Jim starts in again. Like I said, I don't care if he disagrees with my opinion; that is fine. Just don't attack me personally.
Oh you're just saying that to be nice
But let me enlighten all of those Meso "cronies" who have supported this endeavor, its nice to know OUR efforts are appreciated, as I for one, certainly had no idea how much of a TIME commitment would be required.
SO THX !
Ya know in most circumstances that would be a legitimate question EXCEPT in this instance there's one HUGE problem that I've already eluded to, and that is his MOTIVE for being here; to trash these assays.
So what's the point when I KNOW the primary objective of said "civil debate" is in fact a witch hunt in search of "gotchas" as in "Jims contradictions".
Thus the modus operandi of those with a VERY IMPORTANT focal AGENDA will almost always become or morph into; if one can't shoot the message, kill the messenger!
And if you don't believe the topic of generic GH analytical testing is "important" to M then tell my WHY he's been camped out on this thread and this thread ONLY?
NO THANKS (been there done that TWICE before)
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