they do, but you need to have 50 posts to see it(don't know why they try to hide it)
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G.I. Bro
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Yes, and PM has done testing. Pretty advanced testing too. Funds were raised for the effort. I donated money for the cause, just as I would here.
But lumping anyone who has valid/fair questions here into the alleged "PM" group by implying we all want to tear down any unflattering results is just not fair.
I was banned at PM for raising similar questions about testing, motives and content control, collection procedures (and flaws) and also what I thought to be perceived biases for certain sources there. I got banned for it. So please don't lump everyone into some group to imply any questions about the tests mean you're just trying to discredit them to protect a certain brand image. I have no such allegiance. I do happen to believe TP and PD are reliable sources. They want to sell legit gh and not have bad rest results. The same goes for Karl and his GH. I'd pay money for official greys, meditrope (blacks) and Karl's orange tops.
That said, the fact all samples, which are known to be pretty reliable, all consistently came back roughly 25% under seems off to me.
Jim (and Mands), I understand your frustration. You devote time and energy to provide an incredibly valuable free service and just get questions and perceived criticisms. But please don't take it as an attack or an attempt to just discredit any testing of generics that's unflattering. Rather than just dismissing concerns or being aggressive, why not explain to us (such as myself who clearly knows less about gh testing then you) why you don't believe a consistent pattern like that, seen on all samples, is relevant or concerning. How/why are you so convinced we aren't seeing a methodology flaw or procedure error that resulted in this 25% under result across literally all samples? It just seems strange to me. I'm being genuine here.
And please don't stop because of questions, these have been fantastic tests otherwise. GH testing is one area we all need desperately. When questions have been raised to Millard and anaboliclab.com in the past, he addresses them analytically in a cool, calm convincing fashion. Once, there was a lab error on sciroxx samples and after listening to concerns (I raised, and was labeled a schill and agent of sciroxx) he issued a retraction and posted results that got to the bottom of the testing issue. That's admirable. He didn't come away with less credibility. He came away with even MORE for it...
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Eman
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It's ironic they come here to do this because the majority of there posts would have been deleted or they would have been banned for acting this way on PM.
thats the most annoying thing, wish they would stay over there
G.I. Bro
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Such a strong point, questioning the test results would probably get you banned (as I did). So shouldn't a legitimate open discussion of fair observations about the data be encouraged here? Do you guys really not understand the significance of all results across brands being 25% under. That's an abnormal result pattern for ALL brands/batches to share. It doesn't make sense tbh.
Eman
Master
Yes, I agree. However, a lot of questions come across as antagonistic. I'm not pointing my finger you just saying, they have been.
All I can say is that we're told a pharm sample has been donated and that will likely address the concerns anyone has.
BTW, I wanted to say thanks to the member that donated that pharm sample - I think I know who you are, great contribution.
go back and look at the spreadsheet, it's primarily the grey tops being 25 percent under across the board, the rest have a pretty wide spread.
G.I. Bro
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The blacks and orange tops are also under at about the same percentage (given a normal variance range). The blacks are known to be overfilled on purpose to 15iu and were also under at roughly the same range. It's possible every single one of these top brands is systematically underdosed at 20—25% of what they're supposed to be too. That's just surprising even for someone who's pessimistic about generic gh.
Also, none of the 2 types of tests at PM showed a similar pattern for the same brands.
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I respectfully disagree, take all the grey top tests out of it, and it's a pretty wide spread. pretty much what i would guess in the world of generics. I'll say it again, I'm surprised at how good they tested, I expected them to be alot more underdosed. and if i was trying to save money, I'd go with the generics. And I won't even comment on the testing done at PM, other than to say they should open it up for everyone to see without having to have that 50 post rule
muscle96ss
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I am not going to get into a pissing match here, but I want to outline what the problem is here. There have been numerous valid questions brought forward here regarding the testing. Instead of answering the questions and having a productive discussion; Jim deflects the question by attacking and berating the person asking the question and implying that it is not worthy of his valuable time. This is completely the wrong attitude and this is supposed to be a learning experience.
It is of absolutely no benefit if a dictator simply presents the information and tells us to accept it or fuck off. What makes it worse is that I have information that is not public and I cannot share. But it if it were to be made public, would completely debunk the accuracy of the results. So my goal with my questions and comments is to help guide the discussion so that n the end we can get things right. You see, these tests are invaluable and can only better the community if the results are accurate. But if they are inaccurate then they are a huge disservice to the community. For example in the last round of testing poor Colt was told that his Genotropin was counterfeit and only half-dosed and the guy doubled up on his dosage only to find that it was actually real Genotropin and accurately dosed. So when these results have real life implications, you have a responsibility to make sure you get it right; don't you think?
muscle96ss
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RPBB - let me add something. Do you happen to remember a time not that long ago where Jim's position(and I believe yours as well) was that the Chinese did not have the technology to produce real GH, that real GH is too expensive to be sold at these prices, and that there was nothing but peptides in the vials that were fooling people into thinking it was GH.
I brought forth all kinds of facts and proof that this was a ludicrous theory and nothing but incompetent fear mongering. Instead of having a discussion, I was attacked, called a shill, a drug dealer, and all kinds of negative things.
Now fast forward a short time and guess what we see. The Chinese can make REAL GH and there is REAL GH in some of these vials. I guess Jim was actually wrong and I was right.
Look, I have been around for decades and know more about the UG market of GH than Jim will ever know. He acts like a bigshot and thinks he is a know-it-all, but the majority of what he spews is complete bullshit and factually wrong. And I will be happy to have a discussion with him on facts any day of the week; but he is incapable of such a discussion as he has clearly demonstrated time and time again.
I brought forth all kinds of facts and proof that this was a ludicrous theory and nothing but incompetent fear mongering. Instead of having a discussion, I was attacked, called a shill, a drug dealer, and all kinds of negative things.
Now fast forward a short time and guess what we see. The Chinese can make REAL GH and there is REAL GH in some of these vials. I guess Jim was actually wrong and I was right.
Look, I have been around for decades and know more about the UG market of GH than Jim will ever know. He acts like a bigshot and thinks he is a know-it-all, but the majority of what he spews is complete bullshit and factually wrong. And I will be happy to have a discussion with him on facts any day of the week; but he is incapable of such a discussion as he has clearly demonstrated time and time again.
Move your goddamn chatter to the other thread. How many fucking times does it need to be said?
AND if you read my replies, I said I was surprised how good the results were, and it would be a good alternative if you wanted to save money. but you but have chosen to ignore that. Dr j even posted the standard for you this time. I personally believe his testing is accurate, and the fact they are not coming out worse tells me he's not manipulating the results. so let the thread go back to testing
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muscle96ss
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I don't think Jim is manipulating the results either, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are accurate; which is what we are all after.
for the last freaking time, let the thread go back to test results
muscle96ss
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Just so I understand. You can interject and taunt whenever you want, but when anybody replies then its always, "lets get backs to the results"?
you're like a woman, you always have to get the last word can we go back to testing results now
muscle96ss
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Yes
BigAli
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You could fucking pm me if you dont want to fuck this thread. You're doing the same dick head y muscle
Grey or black?
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