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THE new "Generic" HGH Assay PAGE! AAA testing
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Yes, you make a point, but number 24 hasn't been cleared up if it is from TP or PD or even if it is black or grey for that matter (from the pic it's a grey). I think that is more relevant to the thread than the banter that's going on.
Wow, 1st, I am surprised both of Karl's Somastim
(sample 30: 13.74iu & sample 41: 14.22iu) were underdosed and
2nd, I am surprised by the amount.
Sample 30 shows GLY 0%** under both columns. Asterisks says unexplained. Why can't it be explained? Also can someone help me understand how both column's SUM shows 100%, but GLY is 0%? Thanks
Actually first is Thank you @Dr JIM & @mands and whoever else involved including the folks sending in samples.
(sample 30: 13.74iu & sample 41: 14.22iu) were underdosed and
2nd, I am surprised by the amount.
Sample 30 shows GLY 0%** under both columns. Asterisks says unexplained. Why can't it be explained? Also can someone help me understand how both column's SUM shows 100%, but GLY is 0%? Thanks
Actually first is Thank you @Dr JIM & @mands and whoever else involved including the folks sending in samples.
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It's interesting you mentioned that bc I asked Millard the same question when he started Anabolic Labs, a sort of Millard shouldn't people earn such a privilege? Much to his credit, he wanted no part of such an "arrangement"!
He was right and I was wrong, and his commitment to an uncensored board is a primary reason the data remains on the "open board" for all to see.
Only those who have been guilty of such garbage would make such biased and absolutely unfounded conspiratorial accusations. Lets see some more of that PM HPLC data MH-96, then we shall see who is concocting data, LMAO!
UTTERLY PATHETIC
An overdose of GLYCINE is a common feature of generic GH. I KNOW this bc somewhere bt 50-75% of generic GH samples tested have glycine concentrations that FAR exceed that which would be expected on a proportional basis, that is as compared to the other KNOWN AA concentrations.
From this info one could reasonably conclude GLYCINE is either NOT being removed in the filtration phase of production, is being added at some point in time, OR both.
And before one of our MH-96 parrots mentions a "fact", yes I understand a few Pharma manufactures may add GLYCINE but at a concentration that "often reaches or exceeds SIX THOUSAND nano-moles" hardly. The latter quote came from the biochemist who conducts ALL these assays and was his/her reply when asked to define "huge amounts of glycine".
Look at the "raw data" on the far right of any sample page for a comparison of what should be expected in NANO-MOLES, bc it's in the TEENS!
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A master's degree is MORE than sufficient to do these kinds of assays. The fact that you're trying to minimize the value of a master's betrays your envy. At best, you don't have anything more than a B.Sc. More than likely you completed a couple of years at a former communist community college before dropping out.
Rumored, not known.
It's also possible that every single one of these top brands are produced in the same facility and that's why the results have been so consistent.
1) It's ProMuscle
2) The tests were conducted by a clown with dubious credentials in his mother's basement in a former Eastern bloc country.
Neither of those facts inspire confidence.
G.I. Bro
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You know less about the generic gh game than I thought. Karl's oranges, greys and meditrope are all different manufacturers. A lot of sources can verify that because they order it. Karl's isn't even made in China.
I know what they claim. I haven't seen the factories, have you?
Sources "verify" a lot of things, most of it is BS.
As Ross Perot used to say, "Words are plentiful, deeds are precious."
Or to quote the brilliant lyricist, Keith Richards: "Talk is cheap."
muscle96ss
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And another one, looks like a little more than nano-moles; try 2.2mg. Looks like you got a prize-winning biochemist working on these.
I can't believe how much bullshit has been posted in this thread. Every single thing that Jim posts is contradicted and proven wrong. Yeah 6000nm, my ass!
MH, we already established in the old thread that mathematics isn't your forte. With that being said:
6000nmol x 848.952 g/mol = 5,093,712 ng = 5093.712 µg = 5.094 mg
I didn't calculate the MW difference which is why I specifically stated based on a UNITS COMPARISON, the sensitivity of HPLC pales to that of an AAA when amino acids are the molecular unit being investigated.
Your are one sick fella MEATHEAD jus pick up trash and see if it stick to the wall. It matters not if there is any validity to what your comparing just stir the pot and see what falls out.
What did you do this time tell PM members Karls GH was just as good if not better than generic! Hell yea and why not who is going to contest you on that parrot board of yours!
I challenge ANY Meso member to review your posts bc AT LEAST 95% will involve generic GH TESTING, especially that which contradicts the crap Janeo cited on PM.
@muscle96ss try again and let see ANY post I've made that you have contradicted anywhere but in that sick head of yours?
How about YOU AND JANEO doing what right and post the required HPLC data Iv'e asked for MH. The fact is I've released more data than you and Janeo will EVER cite bc I've nothing to hide.
However the only reason you and Janeo REFUSE to post that which accompanies any HPLC is either you don't have such info bc your HPLCs are fabricated OR the data tells an entirely different story!
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And with regard to the glycine concentration, I know its hard for you to understand being so caught up in GH sales, defending PMs bogus HPLCS, investigating the veracity of what is being posted elsewhere or lobbying for a "one thousand kilo award" but will you ever learn to compare apples to apples rather than apples to oranges.
That's right the HUMATROPE you cited is the dry weight rather then the diluted weight, and a considerable portion of the DILUTED alliquat must first reach equilibrium bt the stationary and mobile phase and the DIFFERENCE is what is being ASSAYED IN NANOMOLES! GOT IT
Of course if you saw more than IUs and/or MG on the RAW DATA PAGE you too would KNOW a majority of the info confirms rather than contradicts what Ive said. As for the rest, well maybe Janeo can explain how HPLCS operate to reach equilibrium to ensure
the results obtained, thereafter are accurate.
SO repeat after me MH: well by golly JIM I can see now why this type of information (the type Jim has requested on multiple occasions) should/would be included as a part of PMs yet to be posted WORKSHEET, and are considered a standard of any legitimate HPLC assay.
Ill hang out a while and see what other bullshit you can come up with as a means of substantiating the nonsense you have parlayed onto PM readers.
That's right the HUMATROPE you cited is the dry weight rather then the diluted weight, and a considerable portion of the DILUTED alliquat must first reach equilibrium bt the stationary and mobile phase and the DIFFERENCE is what is being ASSAYED IN NANOMOLES! GOT IT
Of course if you saw more than IUs and/or MG on the RAW DATA PAGE you too would KNOW a majority of the info confirms rather than contradicts what Ive said. As for the rest, well maybe Janeo can explain how HPLCS operate to reach equilibrium to ensure
the results obtained, thereafter are accurate.
SO repeat after me MH: well by golly JIM I can see now why this type of information (the type Jim has requested on multiple occasions) should/would be included as a part of PMs yet to be posted WORKSHEET, and are considered a standard of any legitimate HPLC assay.
Ill hang out a while and see what other bullshit you can come up with as a means of substantiating the nonsense you have parlayed onto PM readers.
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And this coming from someone making a living off of selling PEDs yet you have the gall to speak of a dictatorship like its foreign to someone of your ilk on an CENSORED FORUM called Pro Muscle. You're a walking contradiction MH!
With regard to Colts "error" that's what happens when data is released before all the evidence is KNOWN. And its a common problem with those who are in a hurry and want their results NOW. And take a look around bc such impatience is a pervasive problem on PED forums
It's also THE REASON is spite of PD's insistence the Seros and the data from a few more samples will not be released UNTIL it's known to be as accurate as possible. Make no mistake about it, people MH-96 who enjoy throwing stones at ANYONE else's evidence especially when it contradicts PMs resellers.
Finally whatever "problems" you were told might have occurred previously are a moot point at this juncture bc the assays, the lab itself and everything in-between are not in any way affiliated. Incidentally MH have you ever heard of one fella planting seeds of controversy onto someone else as a means of defining friend from foe? Well I've found its a VERY USEFUL tool in doing exactly that!
BUT WHAT'S even more important any testing Ive been involved with is a hell of a lot better than the unsubstaianted BS you and Janeo have cited on PM. BUT that's not something ANYONE CAN CHALLENGE RGHT MH-96.
YOUR ONLY CONCERN IS YOUR POCKET BOOK!
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muscle96ss
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Thats funnys Jim, because my income from selling PED's last year happened to be the exact same as your income was for selling them. In fact the amount of free product I got last year for shilling GH was the exact same as yours too.
You just can't admit it when you are wrong. You have absolutely no idea about who I am or what I do and continue to ignore logic and common sense and make personal attacks as a diversion to having a factual discussion.
Like I said, PM me an email address I can send you the HPLC data to and I will forward it to Jano since he has everything that is needed and can edit personal information out of it.
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Grey (you can see it in the picture).
muscle96ss
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Actually Jim I will one up you. I will send you the all the raw data from Simec as well. Perhaps you can help us troubleshoot and figure out why every single sample was shown to be grossly overdosed. The funny thing is that even though that would greatly benefit the sponsors at PM, I never posted those results because I knew it was wrong to post information that was incorrect.
And one more thing, I don't represent PM or any board; I represent myself. Yes, PM is my home board because of the wealth of knowledge and credentials of the people that post in the regular forums. However, I rarely use the sponsors(I like AB sponsors better) on PM and don't disagree with many of the statements about the their sponsor section. It's Big A's business and he is there to make money and runs it like a business. There is nothing wrong with that and as consumers people need to be smart and make better decsions on whom they are purchasing from. That actually is one of the main purposes of the HGH Testing thread and the testing performed at PM. That is our way(the members) of keeping the sellers in check and trying to keep them honest and weed out the bad ones. Also, while Raj and Pesty helped guide us with any questions, the testing project was done by RP, Buck, and myself without any interference or political influence from the administration.
And one more thing, I don't represent PM or any board; I represent myself. Yes, PM is my home board because of the wealth of knowledge and credentials of the people that post in the regular forums. However, I rarely use the sponsors(I like AB sponsors better) on PM and don't disagree with many of the statements about the their sponsor section. It's Big A's business and he is there to make money and runs it like a business. There is nothing wrong with that and as consumers people need to be smart and make better decsions on whom they are purchasing from. That actually is one of the main purposes of the HGH Testing thread and the testing performed at PM. That is our way(the members) of keeping the sellers in check and trying to keep them honest and weed out the bad ones. Also, while Raj and Pesty helped guide us with any questions, the testing project was done by RP, Buck, and myself without any interference or political influence from the administration.
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