Thinking about adding a compound to my 350mg test cycle

[Doc2]

Greetings everyone!

Hope you're all doing well. I'm currently on 350mg Testosterone Propionate/week (although it's probably closer to 390mg due to excess in my ampules), on a calorie surplus and I'm thinking about adding an oral. I've done my research, I'm quite well versed in chemistry due to my formal education so that definitely helps reading papers (most super old, we need more research!).

I'm considering adding Dianabol or Anavar, dosages to be adjusted although I'd probably do a somewhat low dose ED for 6 weeks of either.
I know a few on Meso prefer taking Dbol and Var sporadicly as a preworkout only but I'd like to try it for a couple weeks to see how I feel.

What compound would you prefer and why?

TL.DR- Should I add dbol or var to my 350mg Test Prop?

 

[KeenObserver]

It should just be a 500mg test cycle instead.

 

[Aquaman]

Maybe increase test but depends where your e2 is at and if you’re happy with it. More test will increase e2 normally so adding in an oral or even a non aromatising compound would mean u don’t need to change much in way of e2 control. For example you could keep test where it’s at and add say Var or even oxy. Dbol will increase e2 in most a lot! Or you could add primo, mast or something like DHB for extra anabolism.

 

[120nmol]

If you are looking to add something simple that doesn't effect anything else on your hormone profile I'd recommend turinabol great pumps doesn't effect that much ast/alt although will raise them and not harsh on lipids..
On the other hand if you are perfectly fine with your test prop dosage and allowing e2 to go up with no issues try raising the test itself and walla..
Good luck!

 

[MrUniverse]

do you want to add something just for the sake of adding something?
dianabol and anavar are very different from each other.
What's your goal?
you have to start from here: what do you need it for?

 

[Doc2]

It should just be a 500mg test cycle instead.

That's fair, at 350mg I really have my E2 under control with no AI hence why I'd prefer adding a compound that will either not convert into estrogen (Anavar) or be worth the taking of the AI for a couple weeks (Dbol)

 

[Doc2]

Maybe increase test but depends where your e2 is at and if you’re happy with it. More test will increase e2 normally so adding in an oral or even a non aromatising compound would mean u don’t need to change much in way of e2 control. For example you could keep test where it’s at and add say Var or even oxy. Dbol will increase e2 in most a lot! Or you could add primo, mast or something like DHB for extra anabolism.

I'm happy with my E2 atm, I haven't had any sides and haven't had to take AI. I considered Primo/Mast but I think I'll wait for another cycle to add an injectable, simply due to convience since I only have another 6-8 weeks in the cycle. Good luck on your journey as well!

 

[Doc2]

do you want to add something just for the sake of adding something?
dianabol and anavar are very different from each other.
What's your goal?
you have to start from here: what do you need it for?

Totally agree with you.
My body usually tolerates compounds (in general) pretty okay, I'm quite healthy, on all the required supplements (Bergamot, NAC, TUDCA, etc.) and I'd like to add some anabolic potential to my cycle.
Ideally I would just up my test to 500mg, titrate up in increments of 50mg, but I would like to avoid taking an AI just for the extra 150mg of Test. The anabolism of an average dosage of Dbol should outperform the extra 150mg of Test and yet both require taking AI, would you agree with that statement?

Anavar is just a mild substance that I have on hand, so if I wanna take it I don't have to consider that many side effects.

 

[glutesforthesloots]

Totally agree with you.
My body usually tolerates compounds (in general) pretty okay, I'm quite healthy, on all the required supplements (Bergamot, NAC, TUDCA, etc.) and I'd like to add some anabolic potential to my cycle.
Ideally I would just up my test to 500mg, titrate up in increments of 50mg, but I would like to avoid taking an AI just for the extra 150mg of Test. The anabolism of an average dosage of Dbol should outperform the extra 150mg of Test and yet both require taking AI, would you agree with that statement?

Anavar is just a mild substance that I have on hand, so if I wanna take it I don't have to consider that many side effects.

Anavar f'd me up. Gives me terrible acid reflux. Took over a year of being on prescribed omeprazole to get rid of it.

 

[AlphaEdge]

Anavar f'd me up. Gives me terrible acid reflux. Took over a year of being on prescribed omeprazole to get rid of it.

A year?! You sure it's not diet related? I get bad inflammation and reflux from dairy, some other's get it from gluten.

 

[Doc2]

Anavar f'd me up. Gives me terrible acid reflux. Took over a year of being on prescribed omeprazole to get rid of it.

Sounds like Lactose/Gluten related to me man, any spice you use maybe? I say that because I also got it. Seems unlikely to be related to Anavar, maybe tell us a bit more about it

 

[glutesforthesloots]

A year?! You sure it's not diet related? I get bad inflammation and reflux from dairy, some other's get it from gluten.

No was def the var it was super bad. Had to get a upper endoscopy. Diet never changed was the only thing I introduced that was different. Never had an issue with acid reflux before. Worked great though but I trt to stay away from orals these days

 

[glutesforthesloots]

Sounds like Lactose/Gluten related to me man, any spice you use maybe? I say that because I also got it. Seems unlikely to be related to Anavar, maybe tell us a bit more about it

Yea I don't know man. Only started when I took the var. Never changed my diet. Basically caused an ulcer or something and just took forever to heal.

 

[Astartes]

Anavar f'd me up. Gives me terrible acid reflux. Took over a year of being on prescribed omeprazole to get rid of it.

Here is the deal. Orals are a useful if not finicky game. If you aren’t having gyno symptoms or other _detrimental_ high estrogen/prolactin related symptoms don’t go down the AI path.

Candidly the odds are greater that 500mg test will benefit you more over the course of your cycle vs an oral. (Unless breaking a plateau in which case I would recommend 2 weeks Dbol ad hock if choosing between that and Anavar for such a purpose)

Guys read academic literature where AIs are recommended to control symptoms… but really that means numbers. Often we should NOT control just numbers but symptoms as much of the academic literature isn’t based on our levels of use.

AIs are one of the biggest mistakes newbies make and are often _volatile_ in their impact to your system in dosages taken… a little goes a long way and dialing them in can be an absolute nightmare.

Stay away unless you are unlucky enough to _have_ to use them at low doses.

So… if you aren’t a world class competitor taking 3-10gr of PEDs you probably don’t need them. That is why so many vets recommend taking lower doses of 2-3 PEDs vs high doses of 1 or 2.

Control the symptoms through dosages and synergy between PEDs

 

[Doc2]

Here is the deal. Orals are a useful if not finicky game. If you aren’t having gyno symptoms or other _detrimental_ high estrogen/prolactin related symptoms don’t go down the AI path.

Candidly the odds are greater that 500mg test will benefit you more over the course of your cycle vs an oral. (Unless breaking a plateau in which case I would recommend 2 weeks Dbol ad hock if choosing between that and Anavar for such a purpose)

Guys read academic literature where AIs are recommended to control symptoms… but really that means numbers. Often we should NOT control just numbers but symptoms as much of the academic literature isn’t based on our levels of use.

AIs are one of the biggest mistakes newbies make and are often _volatile_ in their impact to your system in dosages taken… a little goes a long way and dialing them in can be an absolute nightmare.

Stay away unless you are unlucky enough to _have_ to use them at low doses.

So… if you aren’t a world class competitor taking 3-10gr of PEDs you probably don’t need them. That is why so many vets recommend taking lower doses of 2-3 PEDs vs high doses of 1 or 2.

Control the symptoms through dosages and synergy between PEDs

Hello brother,

Thank you very much for your insight. Would it be your opinion that, assuming no sides, trying 500mg (150mg more test) would be the way to go or do you reckon that adding another compound is indeed better? I currently have 0 estrogenic side effects and haven't needed an AI, which I do have on hand of course.

 

[Astartes]

Hello brother,

Thank you very much for your insight. Would it be your opinion that, assuming no sides, trying 500mg (150mg more test) would be the way to go or do you reckon that adding another compound is indeed better? I currently have 0 estrogenic side effects and haven't needed an AI, which I do have on hand of course.

500mg. Next cycle/blast try adding Primo or Deca to the 500 mg base of test. I personally prefer Deca as a second add. Primo is pricy particularly if you brew, (and buy raws) though I appreciate its synergy