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Madcow

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I would never mistreat one of my horses, one of my cows nor my dog or cat, much less mistreat another human being. Therefore I am just as shocked and outraged about the treatment of the prisoners in Iraq as anybody is.

I think, no I know, it's deplorable and the people responsible should be sought out and punished.

Now having said that let me say this.

This thing has been blown so far out of proportion it's a wonder it doesn't explode.

I was in Germany during the high point of the controversy and about the only English speaking channels I could get were BBC and CNN. Well, take the anti-American position of CNN America and multiply it by ten, and then you've got CNN International.

If the BBC represented, which it doesn't, the opinions of the majority of the British people we would have to consider England an enemy.

It is so blatantly anti-American. They spent hours and hours on the Iraqi prisoner abuses. You would think that it was the only thing happening in the world.

I heard one woman anchor ask, "Will the Americans ever be able to take the moral high ground again?"

That's not only stupid, it's insulting and asinine. A handful of people out of a population of two hundred and sixty million plus go rogue and this ignorant bitch condemns the whole nation? Should we condemn the whole of the British Isles because of Kim Philby, the English traitor who helped give Russia our nuclear secrets?

I dare say his actions caused ten million times the pain and anguish than those of a few outlaw American soldiers.

Where were you BBC and CNN when our American citizens were hung from
a bridge and set on fire in Iraq? Where were you when they were dragging our dead soldiers around the dusty streets of Somalia?

Did you devote hour after hour of coverage condemning the monsters? Did you continue to show the awful images almost non-stop and call in puffed up, so called experts to tell us just how bad the events were.

Hell no you didn't.

And you Ted Kennedy, you supercilious old fuck, how dare you compare the acts of a few soldiers to the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein.

Senator, in case you hadn't noticed no one died here. In fact the back seat of your car has killed more people than these misguided soldiers did.

We have 130,000 military personnel in Iraq. How many were involved in this atrocity? 10? 20? 30? And yet to listen to Kennedy and his ilk, or the major media you would think that they were all involved.

Let's look at this thing for what it is. An isolated incident which does not in any way, shape or form represent the character of the fine young men and women who serve in our Armed Forces.

This is the third time Senator Kennedy, but I'll extend the invitation again.

How about you, me and a camera crew hopping on a plane and going over to Iraq and Afghanistan and talk to the men and women who are fighting the war, so you can get a little attitude adjustment? Or had you rather continue to be blinded to reality by your hatred of our Commander in Chief?

Pray for our troops.
 
Madcow said:
I would never mistreat one of my horses, one of my cows nor my dog or cat, much less mistreat another human being. Therefore I am just as shocked and outraged about the treatment of the prisoners in Iraq as anybody is.

I think, no I know, it's deplorable and the people responsible should be sought out and punished.

Now having said that let me say this.

This thing has been blown so far out of proportion it's a wonder it doesn't explode.

I was in Germany during the high point of the controversy and about the only English speaking channels I could get were BBC and CNN. Well, take the anti-American position of CNN America and multiply it by ten, and then you've got CNN International.

If the BBC represented, which it doesn't, the opinions of the majority of the British people we would have to consider England an enemy.

It is so blatantly anti-American. They spent hours and hours on the Iraqi prisoner abuses. You would think that it was the only thing happening in the world.

I heard one woman anchor ask, "Will the Americans ever be able to take the moral high ground again?"

That's not only stupid, it's insulting and asinine. A handful of people out of a population of two hundred and sixty million plus go rogue and this ignorant bitch condemns the whole nation? Should we condemn the whole of the British Isles because of Kim Philby, the English traitor who helped give Russia our nuclear secrets?

I dare say his actions caused ten million times the pain and anguish than those of a few outlaw American soldiers.

Where were you BBC and CNN when our American citizens were hung from
a bridge and set on fire in Iraq? Where were you when they were dragging our dead soldiers around the dusty streets of Somalia?

Did you devote hour after hour of coverage condemning the monsters? Did you continue to show the awful images almost non-stop and call in puffed up, so called experts to tell us just how bad the events were.

Hell no you didn't.

And you Ted Kennedy, you supercilious old fuck, how dare you compare the acts of a few soldiers to the murderous regime of Saddam Hussein.

Senator, in case you hadn't noticed no one died here. In fact the back seat of your car has killed more people than these misguided soldiers did.

We have 130,000 military personnel in Iraq. How many were involved in this atrocity? 10? 20? 30? And yet to listen to Kennedy and his ilk, or the major media you would think that they were all involved.

Let's look at this thing for what it is. An isolated incident which does not in any way, shape or form represent the character of the fine young men and women who serve in our Armed Forces.

This is the third time Senator Kennedy, but I'll extend the invitation again.

How about you, me and a camera crew hopping on a plane and going over to Iraq and Afghanistan and talk to the men and women who are fighting the war, so you can get a little attitude adjustment? Or had you rather continue to be blinded to reality by your hatred of our Commander in Chief?

Pray for our troops.

Who said there were no deaths?, they're invistigating ~10 deaths. I'll lookup some of the pics of a dead prisoner (don't know how authentic but it was showing on a news channel).

So you're saying this is an isolated incident right?, why didn't you say it was an isolated incident when Nick Berg was killed?, why didn't people say it was an islolated incident when the WTC was hit by two planes?

FWIW, i too hate judging an entire nation because of the acts of a few, but many of your people accused muslims/arabs and dubbed them all (not just 260+ million, it's 1.3+ billion) with one single tag. What happened in the Abu Ghraib prison gave them exactly what they were looking for; the tag they can dub you with.
Sometimes i feel like people in here (mid east) *want* to see something they don't like so they can hate, but i also feel like westerns *want* to see something they don't like so they too can hate (if only i had a penny every time i was called a rag/towel head or cave dweller).
 
ahh shut up ya goddamn raghead, lol. just kidding bro. yes you are right about people feeding off the hate. i hope all the hate will end someday, but in all honesty, i think the only time it will end is when we die. what a fucked up world we live in...

btw, what time is it over there??? its damn near 4 am here


oldtimer said:
Sometimes i feel like people in here (mid east) *want* to see something they don't like so they can hate, but i also feel like westerns *want* to see something they don't like so they too can hate (if only i had a penny every time i was called a rag/towel head or cave dweller).
 
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Massive690 said:
ahh shut up ya goddamn raghead, lol. just kidding bro. yes you are right about people feeding off the hate. i hope all the hate will end someday, but in all honesty, i think the only time it will end is when we die. what a fucked up world we live in...

btw, what time is it over there??? its damn near 4 am here

It's almost 1:00 PM. I'm writing a 5 million dollar proposal as im writing this post, i just hope i don't confuse the two screens and sign the proposal as "OT", lol.

-OT
 
he forgot to cite the author of this....Charlie Daniels of the Charlie Daniels Band



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Madcow said:
Well, take the anti-American position of CNN America and multiply it by ten, and then you've got CNN International.
Madcow said:
To me as someone who lives outside the U.S, your perspective on CNN's coverage of the War on Iraq is fascinating. All my non-U.S. dwelling friends,family were amazed at the level of uncritical support CNN gave Bush during the war. The reporters for CNN acted like cheerleaders, not journalists, and the views of dissetners were suppressed. It seemed like we were watching a U.S. government propaganda program, not the news. After a while most us turned off CNN in search of objective news.


Madcow said:
If the BBC represented, which it doesn't, the opinions of the majority of the British people we would have to consider England an enemy.
Madcow said:
Not sure what you mean here. It's certainly true that that at least half of the U.K. now think that the war was a mistake and that no more U.K. troops should go there.


Madcow said:
It is so blatantly anti-American. They spent hours and hours on the Iraqi prisoner abuses. You would think that it was the only thing happening in the world.

I heard one woman anchor ask, "Will the Americans ever be able to take the moral high ground again?"[QUOTE}

This is a pretty fair question. Bush and his gang went to extraordinary lengths to take the moral high ground when they invaded Iraq. It's now clear that before going in they didn't have a ghost of an idea about to stabilize the situation, return the country to the rule of law, and protect innocent bystanders (which include many of the people whp ended up being tortured in the prsion). With their Iraw policy in tatters, it will be very difficult for them to recover the moral high ground.


Madcow said:
Where were you BBC and CNN when our American citizens were hung from
a bridge and set on fire in Iraq? Where were you when they were dragging our dead soldiers around the dusty streets of Somalia?

Did you devote hour after hour of coverage condemning the monsters? Did you continue to show the awful images almost non-stop and call in puffed up, so called experts to tell us just how bad the events were.

Hell no you didn't.{QUOTE=Madcow]

Hell yes they did. I know, because I watched.

A final point about all this. You can rant and rave all you want about how the rest of the world is reacting to the catastrophe in Iraq, but the fact remains, the Bush league ignored the advice of all their allies and knowledgable people like Colin Powell. Bush had no idea about what he was getting the U.S. into, and now he has no idea about how to get it out of that armpit of a country. U.S. troops are now in a world of shit as a rersult. If you want to blame someone for this, blame yourselves for letting it happen. Don't blame others for pointing it out.
 
oldtimer said:
It's almost 1:00 PM. I'm writing a 5 million dollar proposal as im writing this post, i just hope i don't confuse the two screens and sign the proposal as "OT", lol.

-OT


lmao, yes, that would be very bad
 
greyowl said:
Madcow said:
Well, take the anti-American position of CNN America and multiply it by ten, and then you've got CNN International.
Madcow said:
To me as someone who lives outside the U.S, your perspective on CNN's coverage of the War on Iraq is fascinating. All my non-U.S. dwelling friends,family were amazed at the level of uncritical support CNN gave Bush during the war. The reporters for CNN acted like cheerleaders, not journalists, and the views of dissetners were suppressed. It seemed like we were watching a U.S. government propaganda program, not the news. After a while most us turned off CNN in search of objective news.


Madcow said:
If the BBC represented, which it doesn't, the opinions of the majority of the British people we would have to consider England an enemy.
Madcow said:
Not sure what you mean here. It's certainly true that that at least half of the U.K. now think that the war was a mistake and that no more U.K. troops should go there.


Madcow said:
It is so blatantly anti-American. They spent hours and hours on the Iraqi prisoner abuses. You would think that it was the only thing happening in the world.

I heard one woman anchor ask, "Will the Americans ever be able to take the moral high ground again?"[QUOTE}

This is a pretty fair question. Bush and his gang went to extraordinary lengths to take the moral high ground when they invaded Iraq. It's now clear that before going in they didn't have a ghost of an idea about to stabilize the situation, return the country to the rule of law, and protect innocent bystanders (which include many of the people whp ended up being tortured in the prsion). With their Iraw policy in tatters, it will be very difficult for them to recover the moral high ground.


Madcow said:
Where were you BBC and CNN when our American citizens were hung from
a bridge and set on fire in Iraq? Where were you when they were dragging our dead soldiers around the dusty streets of Somalia?

Did you devote hour after hour of coverage condemning the monsters? Did you continue to show the awful images almost non-stop and call in puffed up, so called experts to tell us just how bad the events were.

Hell no you didn't.{QUOTE=Madcow]

Hell yes they did. I know, because I watched.

A final point about all this. You can rant and rave all you want about how the rest of the world is reacting to the catastrophe in Iraq, but the fact remains, the Bush league ignored the advice of all their allies and knowledgable people like Colin Powell. Bush had no idea about what he was getting the U.S. into, and now he has no idea about how to get it out of that armpit of a country. U.S. troops are now in a world of shit as a rersult. If you want to blame someone for this, blame yourselves for letting it happen. Don't blame others for pointing it out.



madcow did not write this he copied it from Charlie Daniels of the Charlie Daniels Band



http://home.att.net/~steven.newton4/daniel.html



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