Thoughts on Steroids (And Non-Legal Enhancers) in Martial Arts.

[musulman]

Exactly, spot on responses.

Even religously speaking, you can take every natural advantage you can, however you are doing wrong when you try to change who God made you as.

 

[Stretch]

ok now, ur both running from the point...obviously "life isn't fair", but WHY is one hard-to-attain biological-performance-enhancement tool legal and another illegal?

There are RULES in sports Jeton.

WTF don't you get about this?????

They didn't let Couture bring a hammer in the ring w/him because he was giving up 50lbs!!.(lesnar)...THERE ARE RULES!!!

You are the one speaking of fairness, when you refer to fedor having more resources for elite training methods.

The issue is black and white.

Be the best! but only WITHIN THE RULES.

If someone else has more money/time to train, you have to figure out a way to even the playing field...but your methods must operate within the confines of the rulebook!

 

[Jeton]

Exactly, spot on responses.

Even religously speaking, you can take every natural advantage you can, however you are doing wrong when you try to change who God made you as.

did God make u argue in circles?

 

[someanddone]

Jeet - I agree with most of what you are saying, and I couldn't agree more with the comment about tapout-shirt-wearing shit talkers disgracing the sport we love. This is the very reason why I refuse to go to bars or restaurants to watch any MMA on TV. I find it hard to listen to a crowd of imbeciles say, "Why are they 69ing?" or "He's just running away" or any other ignorant trash that increases in volume as the beer flows.

I meant no disrespect to any martial art and none to you. You're right, I may have looked too deep into this, but then again, ask Bob Villa how to hang a door and you probably won't get a short answer.



And musulman, I did not miss any of your so-called points, but it is exceedingly difficult to respect anything you say when you play the God-card and a week ago were saying that you would bugger KBD to show him his place, blah blah blah. Who is trying to be something they're not here? A guy who constantly strives to improve himself through hardwork, dedication, and intelligent supplement and super-supplementation? Or the one who gets on a steroid-based forum, spewing religious rhetoric, and simultaneously defending the raping of a grown man?
You are the one who is lost. Please find a forum that will accept your psycho-babble and leave this one alone.

 

[Jeton]

There are RULES in sports Jeton.
WTF don't you get about this?????
They didn't let Couture bring a hammer in the ring w/him because he was giving up 50lbs!!.(lesnar)...THERE ARE RULES!!!
You are the one speaking of fairness, when you refer to fedor having more resources for elite training methods.
The issue is black and white.
Be the best! but only WITHIN THE RULES.
If someone else has more money/time to train, you have to figure out a way to even the playing field...but your methods must operate within the confines of the rulebook!

fukn DUH, "there r rules". thee very premise of the thread is asking "how do u feel about MMA fighters who use AAS", which is usually AGAINST those rules, tho most promotions don't actually test for it.

so, Stretch, i can see u r absolutely, positively against MMA fighters using AAS, no?





















[)]opcorn:[)]

 

[Jeton]

And musulman, I did not miss any of your so-called points, but it is exceedingly difficult to respect anything you say when you play the God-card and a week ago were saying that you would bugger KBD to show him his place, blah blah blah. Who is trying to be something they're not here? A guy who constantly strives to improve himself through hardwork, dedication, and intelligent supplement and super-supplementation? Or the one who gets on a steroid-based forum, spewing CIRCULAR religious rhetoric, and simultaneously defending rape?
You are the one who is lost. Please find a forum that will accept your psycho-babble and leave this one alone.

ftfy.

 

[Stretch]

well, it seems many in here r engaging in mental gymnastics to justify illogical positions.

ya ya ya....flamer

I read ya loud N clear. And you and I agreed on this topic for a long time. I am a nay-sayer and a skeptic in every area of my life. But when something is made SO CLEAR and SO OBVIOUS, that even in the depraved state I was in, I could no longer deny the inherant truth in the Bible.

I wish I was a better example for my belief. I encourage you Jeton to study the Bible with a more open-mind. If for no other reason, then for your own knowledge, study it so you can better argue against, US CRAZY BIBLE-THUMPERS, lol.

After all the bullshit and my temper is gone, I pray for you. And I hope you someday come to the saving knowledge of Christ. God made us with a hole, and only he can fill it. You can continue to seek things of the world to fill this hole, but it is struggle in futility.

 

[Stretch]

fukn DUH, "there r rules". thee very premise of the thread is asking "how do u feel about MMA fighters who use AAS", which is usually AGAINST those rules, tho most promotions don't actually test for it.

so, Stretch, i can see u r absolutely, positively against MMA fighters using AAS, no?

[)]opcorn:[)]

I'm against cheating.

In any sport.

On any level.

with the exception of "minor" cheating. Such as...drawing a foul in basketball, blindside holding in boxing etc...I consider those things gamesmanship. And COMPLETELY different from AAS.

 

[buddy1]

My role is to get people to come to terms with the reality most of y'all are running from, avoiding and unhappy about. Everyone seeks peace and happiness and many feel steroids will get them that, they wont.

My role is as a 'warner' and to share my experiences, telling y'all not to tread this path. I got a wealth of experience behind me, its all usually a road to no where leaving you with the exact same issues you thought would go away after jucing and then you end up with more. The key is to face the issues you feel the need to address through steroid use, accept, become content and that will bring peace and eradicate need.

This thread is an apt example of what i am saying, people take steroids to fight. Those people are fake and are not fighters. They took the steroids usually to try and compensate for their weaknesses and trying to be something they are not. The solution for them would be to seek out why they feel the need to be something else, and be happy with what they are. Everyone, when all is said and done wants peace, happiness. The common teenagers thinking is i am not happy cos i am skinny and i wont get laid, so mi just use steroids to get big and get laid then i will be happy and at peace. A common thinking of a bimbo is i have small breasts thats why men dont like me, if i got a boob job men would like me. Of a man who is not a natural fighter or a natural mesomorph or someone who gains muscle slowly, i am weak and not aggressive or manly or muscular, if i took steroids i too can be tough, strong and macho insert whatever and will be able to stand up for myself and be the main man, i will get attention of women and men, i will be sexy and desired and this will make me happy, get me laid and i will be at peace.

ts the search for this peace that causes us to think that doing this or doing that will allow us to obtain it. When in actual effect its all a red herring, what needs to be done is issues needs to be addressed, accepted, come to terms, to bring about contentment and peace. That's why belief in god can bring so much peace and free people from anxiety and worry because people leave it to god and thus are content and accept.

Athiests who don't believe in god also need to address these issues but instead of leaving it to god, they will need to launder their issues in a way that suits them. regardless it needs to be done otherwise you will have problem after problem.

Please stop referring to women who get breast enhancement as bimbos! You have no idea what you're talking about. Do you think that you are so perfect that you can sit around and judge others, calling them names? If you are really trying to make a difference, and warn people, why don't you start by practicing what you preach? No one is going to take you seriously. You're constantly talking about God, and you're constantly calling women bimbos....I'm sure Jesus appreciates that!

 

[someanddone]

Touche Jeton on adding circular to my post.

And on the stretch v. jeton debate.....I'm loving it. Please don't stop.

 

[musulman]

And musulman, I did not miss any of your so-called points, but it is exceedingly difficult to respect anything you say when you play the God-card and a week ago were saying that you would bugger KBD to show him his place, blah blah blah. Who is trying to be something they're not here? A guy who constantly strives to improve himself through hardwork, dedication, and intelligent supplement and super-supplementation? Or the one who gets on a steroid-based forum, spewing religious rhetoric, and simultaneously defending the raping of a grown man?
You are the one who is lost. Please find a forum that will accept your psycho-babble and leave this one alone.

I said back in my past i would bugger a grown man to show him who is boss. i done a lot of bad things, i was a bad man.

 

[Stretch]

GRRRR---I hate it when stupid mofo's agree w/me!

I'm surrounded by IDIOTS!!!

 

[Jeton]

ya ya ya....flamer

I read ya loud N clear. And you and I agreed on this topic for a long time. I am a nay-sayer and a skeptic in every area of my life. But when something is made SO CLEAR and SO OBVIOUS, that even in the depraved state I was in, I could no longer deny the inherant truth in the Bible.

I wish I was a better example for my belief. I encourage you Jeton to study the Bible with a more open-mind. If for no other reason, then for your own knowledge, study it so you can better argue against, US CRAZY BIBLE-THUMPERS, lol.

After all the bullshit and my temper is gone, I pray for you. And I hope you someday come to the saving knowledge of Christ. God made us with a hole, and only he can fill it. You can continue to seek things of the world to fill this hole, but it is struggle in futility.

blaBlaBLA...the only important circularity in the Bible or any other Holy Book is the Revelation Of Faith...all other circularity is used for obfuscation of arguments, and politics has always been this way.

so tell me, what part of the Bible makes u feel that using AAS is wrong, or that AAS should be banned from professional athletics?

opcorn:

I'm against cheating.
In any sport.
On any level.
with the exception of "minor" cheating. Such as...drawing a foul in basketball, blindside holding in boxing etc...I consider those things gamesmanship. And COMPLETELY different from AAS.

ANY "cheating" can be (and often is) the difference between winning and losing.

"on any level....with the exception of..."[)]

 

[musulman]

bimbo is some woman with no brains, if they doing boob jobs then thats what they are. steroid users are male bimbos usually. same type of people / personality.

 

[Jeton]

Touche Jeton on adding circular to my post.

And on the stretch v. jeton debate.....I'm loving it. Please don't stop.

THAT was an afterthought...it was more important to note that u specified raping "a grown man" as wrong, whereas raping ANYONE is...grown or not.

opcorn:


EDIT: u shouldn't have edited that.

 

[Jeton]

bimbo is some woman with no brains, if they doing boob jobs then thats what they are. steroid users are male bimbos usually. same type of people / personality.

nothing wrong with male bimbos, they often make me very happy...when they're not flaking out.

 

[Stretch]

blaBlaBLA...the only important circularity in the Bible or any other Holy Book is the Revelation Of Faith...all other circularity is used for obfuscation of arguments, and politics has always been this way.

so tell me, what part of the Bible makes u feel that using AAS is wrong, or that AAS should be banned from professional athletics?

opcorn:



ANY "cheating" can be (and often is) the difference between winning and losing.

"on any level....with the exception of..."[)]

Bro, you're COMPLETELY missing my point.

I don't think they SHOULD be illegal.

But they ARE illegal.

So using them is cheating. And I'm against cheating.

Also, please don't lump me in with those who attempt to use the Bible to justify there own personal reasons. I deal with this enough, even though the argument has NO MERIT, when used against me.

I am part of a newer movement within the Christian Faith. We HATE being referred to has "religious". Because religion is what a MAN will tell you about the Bible. I don't care what MAN says the Bible says. I've read it, in it's entirity, and I believe every word of it to be true. ANY concept which is not taught CLEARLY, and repeatedly is dismissed by those in my camp. We are NOT one of the "new age" churches which has NO SEPERATION from the world at all, (you know the motivational speakers who just hold a bible and tickle your ears??) Rather, we preach a relationship with Christ. AND THAT"S IT! We believe that God will deal with people in his own way, and in his own time, it is not our job to BEAT points into peoples heads.

UNLESS the point is CLEARLY taught. Such as...."for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God"

 

[Stretch]

"on any level....with the exception of..."[)]

C'mon bro.

Don't argue for the sake of arguing.

yes, the semantics of my statement were strange although not incorrect.

But I wanted to be clear, cheating is a black and white area. But there are small things, (like fouls in basketball) which are not considered CHEATING. But rather gamesmanship. I mean, what extreme do you want to take this to?? In order to not be a cheat would you like to have all players, notify the official, if that official missed a call?? You want everyone to tell on themselves??

That's where I am drawing the line.

If you purposely eye gouge someone that's cheating, and dirty.
If you purposely take a substance which you know is banned from your sport...You're a cheater.

If you throw an elbow which comes from straight from ceiling to floor, and ref misses it.....You don't have to stop and take a point away from YOURSELF!

My position is not difficult to understand. Even for a simpleton like urself.

 

[musulman]

Jeton likes arguing, i think he enjoys male attention, ignore him.

 

[someanddone]

THAT was an afterthought...it was more important to note that u specified raping "a grown man" as wrong, whereas raping ANYONE is...grown or not.

opcorn:


EDIT: u shouldn't have edited that.

Whoa whoa whoa! I was just taking the obvious statement and personalizing it for musulman who, I'm sure we can all tell by now, is a little slow.

And its not rape anyway, it is surprise sex.[)]

Btw, nice fake edit, had me breaking ribs I was laughing so hard.