MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Titanium Gear Industries (domestic source)
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janoshik
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Mistakes like that are called random errors (that's official terminology, I didn't make it up). The general notion is that they are rare enough that a repetition of the test is enough to root them out.
I was avoiding repeating every single test so far because of costs increase it would bring to my customers, so I used to retest just suspect samples upon request.
I don't understand your first question.
To second question: Automatization and error-proof SOPs. With oils, pretty much the only thing that is not automatized is transfer from the container that customer sent to me to the HPLC machine and dilution of the sample.
First test was, that's why it was fixed the same day it was made.
Sorry, I am awful at wording stuff.
What I meant is, any mistake that Jano himself makes, it could be repeated on a 2nd test (rare, but possible). How would be prevent Jano from making a mistake twice
Not that I am blaming you, this is still up and in the air.
Brawny
New Member
Looks like equal stupidity (and greed) to me....
Personally I’d like to see the results cross verified by W&M. There’s been a lot of discrepancies on not only this board, but other ones as well concerning Janos testing as of late
We can’t say that yet. Nothing against TGI, but we HAVE to hold him to the same standard. Maybe we have been to soft on him.
Looks like equal stupidity (and greed) to me....
Good to see you back in here man.
Realistically, I would love to see raws sent to both parties, finished vial send to both.
That’s a lot to ask of a source for the price he offers. If it clears him, it’s worth it
janoshik
Subscriber
I added a line to that post above.
Options:
1. Remove Jano from equation. However there is no guarantee the other person won't have it happen to them too.
2. Make another person repeat the same thing Jano did. This is better.
3. Evaluate the possibility of the same thing happening twice or thrice in row by statistics and figure out the probability of it happening. This is what accredited laboratories do.
By the way thank you for constructive discussion, you can't imagine how much I appreciate that.
Or Lab4Tox, which is unbiased 3rd party.
Brawny
New Member
I find people are soft on Jano as well. When you’re talking something like Chemistry, there’s two words - accuracy and precision.
Accuracy is how close a sample is to the claimed dose. Precision is how close multiple results are within each other, regardless of what the sample is supposed to be.
TGI could have easily made a mistake, but why aren’t we holding the chemist accountable for anything? He’s repeatedly shown his results have no precision. At this point I would request every sample be tested twice and three times if the first two measurements weren’t within a certain tolerance of each other.
We never ask for a retest if the results come back to the labeled claim, but how the fuck do we know he hasn’t made a mistake there either? The gear could have been underdosed or overdosed and he just made another measurement error.
Accountability should be held to these Chemist as well. They are literally the person making the decision on whether your gear is good and you’re taking their results on faith
janoshik
Subscriber
Honest just insulting you does 0 for root cause analyze. I don’t understand your process, but the way you simplified it does shed some light.
janoshik
Subscriber
If there is any part that you don't understand, feel free to ask.
Here, in my thread, in PMs, in email.
T-Bagger
Elite
The worst part about all of this is that reasonable doubt has been cast on @janoshik by his own actions and now on @Weights & Measures because of Jano and Mercury. So at the end of the day, it’s hard to trust either of these two options.
Brawny
New Member
I do respect you for not lashing out and accepting feedback like a man.
Seattle23
Well-known Member
T-Bagger
Elite
So the $750 minimum is cool ?
The $750 minimum is for those who want the gear but aren’t on his private list. His private members have a $250 minimum.Greed. Next month it will be a $1K minimum .....
I can’t help it but I like @janoshik
It’s just too bad he’s not a member instead of a source. You’d think he was a member by how many threads he posts in. So being a source here I believe it’s best if he stays in his own fuckin thread!
I do believe Jano is knowledgeable. The shitty thing is he’s a source and I’ve noticed he always has an agenda when doing things. After the Pristine W&M testing incident I’ve pretty much came to that conclusion.
As a source he has too many inconsistencies. I do take his reports into consideration though. The testing labs here should be held to an ever higher accountability. I mean their reports could end a sources life here. Even if that source was on point but a testing error was made it would ruin that source.
I don’t know what alternatives we need to take but it’s looking more and more that we should just take these test reports to equal out like a feels report does. It’s really gotten pathetic.
It’s just too bad he’s not a member instead of a source. You’d think he was a member by how many threads he posts in. So being a source here I believe it’s best if he stays in his own fuckin thread!
I do believe Jano is knowledgeable. The shitty thing is he’s a source and I’ve noticed he always has an agenda when doing things. After the Pristine W&M testing incident I’ve pretty much came to that conclusion.
As a source he has too many inconsistencies. I do take his reports into consideration though. The testing labs here should be held to an ever higher accountability. I mean their reports could end a sources life here. Even if that source was on point but a testing error was made it would ruin that source.
I don’t know what alternatives we need to take but it’s looking more and more that we should just take these test reports to equal out like a feels report does. It’s really gotten pathetic.
I'm very interested as well. I'm running this compound right now. I wonder what batch# he tested.
Regardless, with such a large delta in results I would have been testing the sample many times over until the variance was within an acceptable amount. Not two that are so far apart!
T-Bagger
Elite
For safety concerns of his own as well as the members, ultimately.Oops , I almost forgot about his fucking PRIVATE list....
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