Titanium Gear Industries (domestic source)

[ickyrica]

It was the very first sentence where you accused me of that claim.

where? Just because you've typed that I said that doesn't maker it true. Again, mincing words to deflect in an effort to save some face.

You're claiming LE priorities regarding aas related crimes are only really going to be an issue if narcotic activities are present.

Let me ask you this. When these documents come out showing who has said what, who's been lying etc, are you going to be someone that's publicly outed?

You do realize ej911 isn't the lone body with access to this info? He may have passed it along to a trusted friend just in case he gets jambed up in any way. This would mean at least one more person has seen it.

I ask again. Are you going to be on that list?

 

[ickyrica]

Fucking crickets. Yup.

How much violence

do you want specifics in this case? MF had a bounty and specific requirements to collect payment.

 

[Millard]

In regards to the TGI fiasco TGIs remark was in response to that former member threatening to forward everything the member knew about TGI to law enforcement. That’s a distinct difference than trying to save his business because of a bad review or something.

If a source goes down that most often means they bring down members/clients. Whether a source deletes all emails there’s at least still some emails from in process orders with members info. So in some way the former member threatening to put LE on the source inadvertently puts members at risk.

Whether that distinct difference excuses the comment TGI made I’m not advocating for or against, I’ll let everyone else debate that.

I can't believe what I am reading from you.

You've essentially argued that customers should support @TitaniumGear (TGI)'s physical violence against a former member who threatened to report him to the police because... WAIT FOR IT...

The physical violence would be in the interest of protecting his customers?!

The fact that he was vulnerable to such threats in the first place really says all you need to know about his concern for his customers.

 

[ickyrica]

Could literally call it bountygate

 

[phenominal34]

Ok, what does that have to do with anything? That justifies TGI behavior in the matter?

Logan if someone threatens your family and you really feel your child or wife getting outta work may be in danger ,,, and you could have them dealt with , without anyone thinking or having evidence it was you , your telling me you wouldn’t think about it or throw out a statement to try and make the individual think twice about messing with your family ?? All you babies that are crying oh he threatened physical harm to a member , your god dam right if some one threatens my livelihood or family , they are getting dealt with one way or another . It’s as easy as this ... don’t fuk with someone’s livelihood or threaten to snitch like a rat fucken pussy and you won’t get physically threatened . That goes to all you crybabies saying booo hooo he threatened to have him physically harmed . You all musta been raised in Bel Air or 90210 little preppy spoiled pussies . I don’t say much but that needed to be said

 

[ickyrica]

Logan if someone threatens your family and you really feel your child or wife getting outta work may be in danger ,,, and you could have them dealt with , without anyone thinking or having evidence it was you , your telling me you wouldn’t think about it or throw out a statement to try and make the individual think twice about messing with your family ?? All you babies that are crying oh he threatened physical harm to a member , your god dam right if some one threatens my livelihood or family , they are getting dealt with one way or another . It’s as easy as this ... don’t fuk with someone’s livelihood or threaten to snitch like a rat fucken pussy and you won’t get physically threatened . That goes to all you crybabies saying booo hooo he threatened to have him physically harmed . You all musta been raised in Bel Air or 90210 little preppy spoiled pussies . I don’t say much but that needed to be said

If the source didn't have anything to worry about he would have laughed it off.

The fact that he was vulnerable really says all you need to know about his concern for his customers

 

[MindlessWork]

I can't believe what I am reading from you.

You've essentially argued that customers should support @TitaniumGear (TGI)'s physical violence against a former member who threatened to report him to the police because... WAIT FOR IT...

The physical violence would be in the interest of protecting his customers?!

The fact that he was vulnerable really says all you need to know about his concern for his customers.

Not to defend him but I believe his post was very poorly worded...maybe he should rephrase what he really meant?

 

[Millard]

The lesson I am taking from this is if I ever want to spew some un-substantiated bullshit on Millards meso I need to claim I think I may be harmed for exposing info and create an alternate handle to speak my mind.

Of course, it would be the lesson you learn. I don't think anyone is surprised. You have already shown that you have no concern for the anonymity of members who want to share their grievances concerning a source. You are clearly only interested in defending the source.

Your veiled threats have not gone unnoticed by me and others:

Why man? I know who this handle belongs to. Aren’t you tired of the drama? I would insist you show your proof immediately or just leave it alone. I tried to smooth things through PM but I guess that wasn’t what you wanted.
TGI left quietly and it remains that way.

I would recommend you tread VERY carefully here. You have no idea what other members have hidden in a safe place for “just in case” scenarios just like this.

Again, I urge you to reconsider.

 

[ickyrica]

Not to defend him but I believe his post was very poorly worded...maybe he should rephrase what he really meant?

Maybe you should shut the fuck up and stop defending the indefensible.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Logan if someone threatens your family and you really feel your child or wife getting outta work may be in danger ,,, and you could have them dealt with , without anyone thinking or having evidence it was you , your telling me you wouldn’t think about it or throw out a statement to try and make the individual think twice about messing with your family ?? All you babies that are crying oh he threatened physical harm to a member , your god dam right if some one threatens my livelihood or family , they are getting dealt with one way or another . It’s as easy as this ... don’t fuk with someone’s livelihood or threaten to snitch like a rat fucken pussy and you won’t get physically threatened . That goes to all you crybabies saying booo hooo he threatened to have him physically harmed . You all musta been raised in Bel Air or 90210 little preppy spoiled pussies . I don’t say much but that needed to be said

The easiest answer is people generally wouldn’t put themselves or their family in a position where they might be harmed in the first place. That’s not what men do.

We can all talk a big game here but let’s face it, for the vast majority of us, this is a fucking HOBBY. We’re not about this thug life - I know I sure as hell ain’t. I’m not sure when thuggery, bounties and violence became acceptable on MESO but this is getting ridiculous.

I came here for education and maybe to help a few dudes out. I could honestly give a fuck about the rest of this bullshit. This is an open public forum that can be searched via google. Fucking bounties and violence is going to attract as much attention as narcos.

 

[Millard]

Just let it die lol why do people who aren’t involved want to read about online drama that has nothing to do with them tgi isn’t on here anymore

This thread will likely have a very long life as a case study of source fanboi behavior and the perils it poses to the community.

This seems like a perfect place to drop this again:

This thread is a case study in fanboi behavior.

• Creating a community primarily based on shared interest of being a customer of the vendor.
• Participating exclusively or almost exclusively in the vendor thread.
• Considering other fanbois of the vendor as "family" or "like family".
• Unprompted praise for the vendor and/or their products.
• Repeated and excessive praise for the vendor and/or their products.
• Repeated back-and-forth conversations with other fanbois praising the vendor and/or their products.
• Devotion to protecting vendor against any outside criticism.
• Excessive willingness to overlook, forgive or rationalize flaws and/or otherwise objectionable behavior by the vendor.
• Susceptibility to believing rumors promoted by the vendor no matter how stupid or inane the conspiracies may be.

You get the idea.

And you may be right. These are most likely customers who are unusually loyal because they have received good service and good product.

It still doesn't change the fanboi characterization. Nor does it diminishes the unfortunate consequence of filter bubbles.

Every business marketer would love to have such a devoted fanboi base. This is a measure of business success.

This is not unusual in the business world.

However, it is a little weird when it involves fanbois for drug dealers.

I should probably continue to update it. For example:

Fanboi behavior: Acting as an unpaid unofficial representative of the vendor by relaying information on behalf of the vendor. The fanboi does not generally receive compensation for this but acts out of loyalty because they consider the vendor their "friend".

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Which part of what @puckhog says was wrong?

you can, apparently, just make a new handle and lob accusations over the internet wall and have as much credibility, or more, than established members’ handles as long as you say “I’m an old member here but in protecting myself from this” and then never post any proof of anything...

as far as TGI, i cannot get over the inconsistent logic of:
Situation a: he’s a fucking drug dealer bro like why would you even care, he’d cross you in a heartbeat
Situation b: GASP. A DRUG DEALER TOOK A THREAT OF LE SERIOUSLY AND TOOK ACTION

I have yet to see, and maybe I missed it, anyone saying TGI putting that out there was good for anybody. But to ignore the fact that tossing threats at a drug dealer MIGHT have repercussions? Cmon now.

Saying that’s not what you’re here for is accurate; if you aren’t sourcing here you’re probably not on Meso for the same things as a source is...probably also means you shouldn’t threaten guys; after all, threatening to expose a source to LE seems PRETTY similar to exposing a members identity.

As far as “I know who this handle belongs to”, in puck’s words, REALLY? That’s a threat now? I’m confused.

 

[phenominal34]

The easiest answer is people generally wouldn’t put themselves or their family in a position where they might be harmed in the first place. That’s not what men do.

We can all talk a big game here but let’s face it, for the vast majority of us, this is a fucking HOBBY. We’re not about this thug life - I know I sure as hell ain’t. I’m not sure when thuggery, bounties and violence became acceptable on MESO but this is getting ridiculous.

I came here for education and maybe to help a few dudes out. I could honestly give a fuck about the rest of this bullshit. This is an open public forum that can be searched via google. Fucking bounties and violence is going to attract as much attention as narcos.

Ok , I’m obviously not saying bounties , violence is acceptable if your arguing with another member over regular bullshit but when your talking prison time or livelihood may me taken ... then u wanna act like a rat , be prepared to get squashed like a rat . I’m not saying murder but yea you’ll get left a bloody mess . And I don’t want to hear oh don’t make a mistake and let yourself , identity known etc , ummm hello period point blank .... DONT BE A FUCKING RAT !!

 

[Millard]

if a source has put himself in a position to be destroyed by a customer turning to LE, that is a terrible source. The entire object of opsec revolves around not being known.

Why is tgi so sloppy and let his true identity become known? It's almost ignorant to the reality of what he's involved in.

Or is it simply that morefyah was running his mouth with no real way to get at tgi (i.e. didn't know who tgi really is) but was met with physical threats? That almost makes it worse.

Again, if a source doesn't respect opsec what are people dealing with him for? It doesn't matter what LE is told if proper precautions are taken. It just doesn't.

From an outsiders perspective it almost seems like tgi has (or had) very loose security protocols.

that is what is being implied. If he didnt morefyah would pose zero threat to him.

@ickyrica is spot on regarding OPSEC. ^^^

 

[Millard]

Which part of what @puckhog says was wrong?

you can, apparently, just make a new handle and lob accusations over the internet wall and have as much credibility, or more, than established members’ handles as long as you say “I’m an old member here but in protecting myself from this” and then never post any proof of anything...

as far as TGI, i cannot get over the inconsistent logic of:
Situation a: he’s a fucking drug dealer bro like why would you even care, he’d cross you in a heartbeat
Situation b: GASP. A DRUG DEALER TOOK A THREAT OF LE SERIOUSLY AND TOOK ACTION

I have yet to see, and maybe I missed it, anyone saying TGI putting that out there was good for anybody. But to ignore the fact that tossing threats at a drug dealer MIGHT have repercussions? Cmon now.

Saying that’s not what you’re here for is accurate; if you aren’t sourcing here you’re probably not on Meso for the same things as a source is...probably also means you shouldn’t threaten guys; after all, threatening to expose a source to LE seems PRETTY similar to exposing a members identity.

As far as “I know who this handle belongs to”, in puck’s words, REALLY? That’s a threat now? I’m confused.

You definitely "missed" quite a bit. I could just copy and paste it all over again. But could try reading again to save me the effort?

 

[Logan44551]

Logan if someone threatens your family and you really feel your child or wife getting outta work may be in danger ,,, and you could have them dealt with , without anyone thinking or having evidence it was you , your telling me you wouldn’t think about it or throw out a statement to try and make the individual think twice about messing with your family ?? All you babies that are crying oh he threatened physical harm to a member , your god dam right if some one threatens my livelihood or family , they are getting dealt with one way or another . It’s as easy as this ... don’t fuk with someone’s livelihood or threaten to snitch like a rat fucken pussy and you won’t get physically threatened . That goes to all you crybabies saying booo hooo he threatened to have him physically harmed . You all musta been raised in Bel Air or 90210 little preppy spoiled pussies . I don’t say much but that needed to be said

I try to not out myself in situations were something that someone on the internet says would make me fear for my family's safety or livelihood.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I try to not out myself in situations were something that someone on the internet says would make me fear for my family's safety or livelihood.

Except you rely on the people that do for your gear....and any other illegal activity any of us may be involved in. Because you know...AAS is still illegal.

 

[Millard]

I Never threatened EJ or old school with physical harm or doxxing. Even if I did prove that EJ was Oldschool....so what? I didn’t harm them or doxx them, other than possibly exposing an alt handle.

I never said you threatened @Ej911 or @Oldschool with physical harm. I said you made the following veiled threat against @Ej911:

I would recommend you tread VERY carefully here. You have no idea what other members have hidden in a safe place for “just in case” scenarios just like this.

Again, I urge you to reconsider.

The emphasis added is mine in hopes that everyone will see it. Some people seem to be overlooking it.

Which part of what @puckhog says was wrong?

As far as “I know who this handle belongs to”, in puck’s words, REALLY? That’s a threat now? I’m confused.

 

[movingiron88]

Except you rely on the people that do for your gear....and any other illegal activity any of us may be involved in. Because you know...AAS is still illegal.

Why are you so vested in this source? Please explain why you have so much skin in this game?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Why are you so vested in this source? Please explain why you have so much skin in this game?

Because my name continues to be mentioned, WEEKS after this source has left Meso, as being tied up in some grand conspiracy to what, i don’t even know? Sell Meso gear? I still don’t know because NONE OF THIS BULLSHIT HAS ANY PROOF BEHIND IT or even more than just some ominous “they’re all in on it” claims from a handle made fucking 4 days ago.

All we know for a fact is TGI threatened a guy who threatened him and we know that because he told us.