Titanium Gear Industries (domestic source)

[Mac11wildcat]

I never said you threatened @Ej911 or @Oldschool with physical harm. I said you made the following veiled threat against @Ej911:


The emphasis added is mine in hopes that everyone will see it. Some people seem to be overlooking it.

I guess I have a hard time calling those threats given whats been said over this history of this bullshit. It is a bit odd be dismissing “threats” of one member but be staking another the cross over statements that are, at least on the surface, far less “threatening.” That’s my point of view. You’re entitled to yours and maybe even more so given that this place is your creation.

 

[Millard]

I guess I have a hard time calling those threats given whats been said over this history of this bullshit. It is a bit odd be dismissing “threats” of one member but be staking another the cross over statements that are, at least on the surface, far less “threatening.” That’s my point of view. You’re entitled to yours and maybe even more so given that this place is your creation.

Since you are bringing up yet another false narrative, I will repost my deconstruction of it here just in case you "missed" it:

Let me parse this for you:

biggerben69: My curiosity as to his board handle has to do if he is a banned member. That would be a conflict that could be an issue down the road. If I dissed him an apology and retraction will follow immediately upon my being made aware.

This means that Biggerben69 is threatening to expose @TitaniumGear (TGI) as a previously banned member.

Biggerben69: One request that I hope that you will reconsider is my backing off iceman. I have been informed that iceman may be another banned member.

This means that Biggerben69 is threatening to expose @iceman440 as a previously banned member.

As everyone in this thread knows very well, permanently banned members are not permitted to return with a new username.

I chastised you guys for protecting @CdnGuy for returning under a new username.

And ever since then, you guys eagerly exposed him each and every time he reappeared under a different username. At least 6 times if I recall correctly.

Biggerben69: One of the tech guys is attempting to match up IP addies while other members of the security team are conducting interviews as we speak to get the ID's of some members squared
away. If there is anything else I can do to make your stay more enjoyable please don't hesitate to hit me up. In fact, later this evening meso staff will be getting replacement burner phones for the quarter. Once I have it I will get you my number to put you in contact with me immediately should the situation call for swift action.

Biggerben claims MESO is investigating with a security team, conducting interviews in order to ""get the ID's of some members squared away".

He also implies that he is a MESO staff member awaiting his "replacement burner phone for the quarter".

First of all, the implication that Biggerben69 is, was, has been a MESO staff member is false and was quickly dismissed as such. Any interpretation of this statement to suggest that MESO was personally-identifying members was also dismissed.

There is no doxxing. There is no threat of doxxing.

@biggerben69 DID NOT POST personally-identifying information about any MESO-Rx member e.g. phone numbers, real names, addresses, etc. He DID NOT EVEN THREATEN to post personally-identifying information.

There is simply no violation of the rules. Not even close. You guys are promoting a false narrative in support of TGI.

Now to the real substance of his allegation:

Allegation: @TitaniumGear (TGI) and @iceman440 are usernames of previously banned MESO members.

@biggerben69 failed to substantiate his allegation.

I found no evidence to support it.

Case closed.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

No need for the condescension and “”, man. I’ve disagreed with you but never been disrespectful.

 

[movingiron88]

No need for the condescension and “”, man. I’ve disagreed with you but never been disrespectful.

Oh will you stop! Dont play victim. Whaaa, they are picking on me. Grow up. If it was all made up bullshit then you would be laughing it off. But instead you choose to engage every comment directed to you or not. Seems to me you got something to hide.

You got called out on something are you really that sensitive, especially online on a forum? Your logic does not add up at all.

 

[MaskedLiberty]

Hate to see this turn into a soap with so many talented people in here. Lot's of experience, knowledge and some damn fine folk. I had a different response typed out, but it would just feed a fire that's not even hot but burning out of ??? anger.. suck's when happy customers with all the things that meso wanted out of a source get turned into fan boys....

Good luck all, see ya in a few months.

 

[movingiron88]

Part of this subject matter strikes a nerve with me due to a past experience. A few years ago I may or may have not bought gh a few times off a source on a paid board. This source was partners with the board admin. Then one order I was immediately banned and ignored and made to look like a reverse scammer after my funds were sent c.o.d. No response or explanation was given. Long story short the source told customers where I lived and talked some shit to me on the forum. I have a family, I'm not looking for that shit. Either way i got ready to defend myself and told who ever it wasnt a good idea but i would be waiting for them. But after a battle I was cleared of wrong doing and my email was hacked, which I'm almost certain was done through the site. Long story.

A source is that. We are customers. Yes I try to protect myself but the source gets an advantage. He should be ready to live that life and be prepared for those consequences. I'm not saying it's right to threaten LE or anything. But I hear a source doing this for hire bullshit, then yes I'm fucking concerned.

 

[WeMadeItToAndromeda]

Part of this subject matter strikes a nerve with me due to a past experience. A few years ago I may or may have not bought gh a few times off a source on a paid board. This source was partners with the board admin. Then one order I was immediately banned and ignored and made to look like a reverse scammer after my funds were sent c.o.d. No response or explanation was given. Long story short the source told customers where I lived and talked some shit to me on the forum. I have a family, I'm not looking for that shit. Either way i got ready to defend myself and told who ever it wasnt a good idea but i would be waiting for them. But after a battle I was cleared of wrong doing and my email was hacked, which I'm almost certain was done through the site. Long story.

A source is that. We are customers. Yes I try to protect myself but the source gets an advantage. He should be ready to live that life and be prepared for those consequences. I'm not saying it's right to threaten LE or anything. But I hear a source doing this for hire bullshit, then yes I'm fucking concerned.

Fuck that would be a scary situation to be in man, I've got a family myself and I for damn sure wouldn't want to be put into a position like that.

Glad everything worked out for you though man, someone else might not have been so lucky.

 

[bolder]

I will always be a member first guy over any source that comes through here! When members start sticking up for a source then that’s a big problem. If you’re sticking up for yourself I can totally understand that. I will never understand taking up for a source here though! A source can stick up for themselves! Just like individual members can stick up for their selves!

Look, TGI did all the right shit and said all the right shit while he was here (out in the open anyway). I have no idea what was said or going on behind the scenes though. He clearly knew he fucked up towards his end here and bailed.

I’m sure TGI knew the possibilities that he could face by being a source. From reverse scammers, disgruntled customers, bad reviews, and the possibility that someone could rat on him to LE.
If he didn’t take all the proper precautions to keep himself from any of this and stay safe then that’s entirely on him. That doesn’t give him the right to have someone hurt because he wasn’t fully prepared! It also doesn’t give a member the right to threaten any ill will to a source because his feelings got hurt.
To me Both are so juvenile and embarrassing to say the least! Why can’t people just cut ties and move the fuck on! Being petty and dramatic is more fun to some I suppose.

Furthermore, TGI could have just stopped sourcing if he felt like his freedom was at stake or felt threatened in anyway.
He chose to leave Meso but he did not choose to STOP sourcing!
Why!? (Rhetorical question).

Sources face more risk than the average member here, especially domestic ones.
Everyone has probably heard “don’t risk what you can’t afford to lose” many times here at Meso. That not only applies to members and coins, it also applies to sources and consequences of ones actions.
If you can’t afford to loose money don’t send it...
If you can’t afford to loose your freedom don’t risk it...
That goes for members and sources alike!
JS...

 

[ickyrica]

@bolder I like the attachment in your post

 

[Millard]

you can, apparently, just make a new handle and lob accusations over the internet wall and have as much credibility, or more, than established members’ handles as long as you say “I’m an old member here but in protecting myself from this” and then never post any proof of anything...

You and @puckhog just don't get it. One of the guiding principles for MESO is to give members a platform where they feel free to air their grievances and criticisms of sources. MESO never censors or bans anyone for anything they say about sources.

This policy does not confer credibility to the member allegations. It merely gives members a platform to share and provide evidence to substantiate their allegations. The rest is up to them.

The use of secondary usernames has always been encouraged as a mechanism to protect members from retaliation from the source and/or other who wish to protect the source.

If this is still not clear, review the following post in which I explain the very specific and limited circumstances in which @Ej911 was permitted to use a secondary account:

As far as @Ej911 is concerned, he has stated that he fears the allegations that he is making will be met by retaliation from @TitaniumGear (TGI).

@Ej911 claimed the second user account was created to protect his identity.

Given that @TitaniumGear (TGI) has already admitted to considering the hiring of someone to physical assault and injure a (former) member, this is the very reason secondary handles are allowed.

Of course, banned members creating multiple handles and sources creating secondary usernames to attack competitors are still always prohibited.

Here is another post explaining why you are not permitted to create a secondary account merely to attack your critics or anyone else with which you disagree:

In general, the creation of multiple user accounts to self-promote is prohibited.

In paritcular, the creation of multiple user accounts for the primary purpose of covertly promoting the sale of AAS is categorically prohibited.

This obviously includes sources who including multiple (fake) accounts to self-promote and/or attack unsatisfied customers, critics or competitors.

However, there are instances where I have always strongly encourage members to create an alternate account. They should ALWAYS use a secondary account when discussing interactions with a source, especially negative interactions and experiences.

Sources are known to retaliate against members who post reviews or criticism that could adversely affect or threaten their business. The sources have your name and address. So it could be dangerous for members to publicly criticize sources. A secondary account is a reasonable precaution.

Other situations where multiple accounts may be permitted is when a member decides to source. The primary account could likely contain personally-identifying data given the amount information people tend to share as part of a community. There is expectation to force anyone to self-incriminate.

Other situations where multiple accounts are prohibited apply to banned members. Banned members are prohibited from circumventing their ban with additional user accounts.

There is a huge distinction between creating a secondary account to air grievances against a source and creating a secondary account merely to attack other members and/or self-promote.

If you still don't see it, let me know and I will elaborate even further.

 

[Monstar]

Really? You think a rational impartial person would logically conclude that I am conspiring with multiple drug dealers to remove another drug dealer in order to sell narcotics because of ANYTHING that @biggerben69 might have said?

Of course, the premise of your argument is wrong. His claim to forum management was promptly checked and everyone in this thread repeatedly acknowledged that they never believed that he was part of forum management.

As far a logical and impartial application of the rules - and dispelling of bullshit, check this out:

Been busy with real life. When this started months ago or whenever you chose to not ban him for the reason he was being "sarcastic" in your mind (plus other misc that seemed sketchy to observers). At no point have I ever seen you or anyone else stop him from his crazed bullshit about being part of the board. That, IMO, played a roll in you getting dragged into insane conspiracy.

No board I've ever seen condones a member running around telling everyone he's management and part of operations and pulling his crap. Hence, I said you are partially to blame for the outcome. Not starting this over but clarifying the point again.

If you feel differently that's fine, I don't think it really matters at least not to me but that's what I was saying. Still can't believe BBen is an adult and supposedly a father and behaves like this. Waste of life but that's also just my opinion and I'm sure he believes he's totally sane and high functioning despite evidence to the contrary.

BTW. I haven't read anything here since my last post a number of days ago but figured I'd clarify it as you seemed to miss the main point I was trying to make. I don't intend on catching up. Wasted enough time.

 

[Millard]

Been busy with real life. When this started months ago or whenever you chose to not ban him for the reason he was being "sarcastic" in your mind (plus other misc that seemed sketchy to observers). At no point have I ever seen you or anyone else stop him from his crazed bullshit about being part of the board. That, IMO, played a roll in you getting dragged into insane conspiracy.

No board I've ever seen condones a member running around telling everyone he's management and part of operations and pulling his crap. Hence, I said you are partially to blame for the outcome. Not starting this over but clarifying the point again.

If you feel differently that's fine,

You've made a couple of demonstrably false statements.

First of all, the reason @biggerben69 was not banned is that he did NOT break the rules in that instance. The rules are very clear and he did not violate them in any way, shape or form when he threatened to expose @TitaniumGear (TGI) and @iceman440 as previously banned members. Additionally, @biggerben69's implication that he was part of MESO staff was quickly dismissed and everyone acknowledged that they never believed he was a part of MESO staff.

I know you have serious real-life issues to attend, so I will quote the post relevant to our discussion:

Let me parse this for you:

biggerben69: My curiosity as to his board handle has to do if he is a banned member. That would be a conflict that could be an issue down the road. If I dissed him an apology and retraction will follow immediately upon my being made aware.

This means that Biggerben69 is threatening to expose @TitaniumGear (TGI) as a previously banned member.

Biggerben69: One request that I hope that you will reconsider is my backing off iceman. I have been informed that iceman may be another banned member.

This means that Biggerben69 is threatening to expose @iceman440 as a previously banned member.

As everyone in this thread knows very well, permanently banned members are not permitted to return with a new username.

I chastised you guys for protecting @CdnGuy for returning under a new username.

And ever since then, you guys eagerly exposed him each and every time he reappeared under a different username. At least 6 times if I recall correctly.

Biggerben69: One of the tech guys is attempting to match up IP addies while other members of the security team are conducting interviews as we speak to get the ID's of some members squared
away. If there is anything else I can do to make your stay more enjoyable please don't hesitate to hit me up. In fact, later this evening meso staff will be getting replacement burner phones for the quarter. Once I have it I will get you my number to put you in contact with me immediately should the situation call for swift action.

Biggerben claims MESO is investigating with a security team, conducting interviews in order to ""get the ID's of some members squared away".

He also implies that he is a MESO staff member awaiting his "replacement burner phone for the quarter".

First of all, the implication that Biggerben69 is, was, has been a MESO staff member is false and was quickly dismissed as such. Any interpretation of this statement to suggest that MESO was personally-identifying members was also dismissed.

There is no doxxing. There is no threat of doxxing.

@biggerben69 DID NOT POST personally-identifying information about any MESO-Rx member e.g. phone numbers, real names, addresses, etc. He DID NOT EVEN THREATEN to post personally-identifying information.

There is simply no violation of the rules. Not even close. You guys are promoting a false narrative in support of TGI.

Now to the real substance of his allegation:

Allegation: @TitaniumGear (TGI) and @iceman440 are usernames of previously banned MESO members.

@biggerben69 failed to substantiate his allegation.

I found no evidence to support it.

Case closed.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Because my name continues to be mentioned, WEEKS after this source has left Meso, as being tied up in some grand conspiracy to what, i don’t even know? Sell Meso gear? I still don’t know because NONE OF THIS BULLSHIT HAS ANY PROOF BEHIND IT or even more than just some ominous “they’re all in on it” claims from a handle made fucking 4 days ago.

All we know for a fact is TGI threatened a guy who threatened him and we know that because he told us.

That's the price you pay for treating this source like a long lost brother. Like it or not, your reputation was forever tarnished when you decided to park your ass in this thread and swing on tgi's nuts. You were warned by some of the older members that this would happen but your arrogance wouldn't allow you to listen to their advice. You made your bed. Now you get to lay in it. Meso doesn't really seem your your type of forum anyway. I'm sure you'd be much happier at a censored forum.

CBS

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

You've made a couple of demonstrably false statements.

First of all, the reason @biggerben69 was not banned is that he did NOT break the rules in that instance. The rules are very clear and he did not violate them in any way, shape or form when he threatened to expose @TitaniumGear (TGI) and @iceman440 as previously banned members. Additionally, @biggerben69's implication that he was part of MESO staff was quickly dismissed and everyone acknowledged that they never believed he was a part of MESO staff.

I know you have serious real-life issues to attend, so I will quote the post relevant to our discussion:

WTF has been going on here ? JFC these new guys are clueless. I saw where you had to actually go on the record and publicy state that Ben isn't running Meso. He's been joking about that as long as I've been here and everyone knew it was sarcasm.

This place goes to shit quickly when fanbois aren't kept in check. Some of the more experienced members that are still active need to step in a little more often. Meso is due for another overhaul and the trash needs to be taken out.

 

[MindlessWork]

WTF has been going on here ? JFC these new guys are clueless. I saw where you had to actually go on the record and publicy state that Ben isn't running Meso. He's been joking about that as long as I've been here and everyone knew it was sarcasm.

This place goes to shit quickly when fanbois aren't kept in check. Some of the more experienced members that are still active need to step in a little more often. Meso is due for another overhaul and the trash needs to be taken out.

+1 to that good sir...and welcome back!

 

[MindlessWork]

WTF has been going on here ? JFC these new guys are clueless. I saw where you had to actually go on the record and publicy state that Ben isn't running Meso. He's been joking about that as long as I've been here and everyone knew it was sarcasm.

This place goes to shit quickly when fanbois aren't kept in check. Some of the more experienced members that are still active need to step in a little more often. Meso is due for another overhaul and the trash needs to be taken out.

I hear you and I'll gladly help you take the trash out

 

[JJ408G]

I hear you and I'll gladly help you take the trash out

O just stop it ,your in every thread throwing your 2 cents in!

 

[ickyrica]

I hear you and I'll gladly help you take the trash out

Oh boy. You do realize he's talking about all the shit you've been liking? I won't even be an asshole to you. You've outdone yourself.

 

[JMpMasterSteve]

Irony.......the people so hell bent on trashing tgi are actually the ones promoting him and placing him back on top of the underground....

 

[MindlessWork]

Irony.......the people so hell bent on trashing tgi are actually the ones promoting him and placing him back on top of the underground....

Go figure...

TGI's haters are just keeping this thread alive.