Titanium Gear Industries (domestic source)

[movingiron88]

Since you asked, not at all. I give zero fucks. I'm simply telling Millard this guy has been spreading this shit for a while. Millard is aware of this and apparently believes everyone else is aware too. I'm correcting him in that I and others obviously were not and that knowingly letting this fucker run around like this on his forum can cause problems like it did here. Millard didn't like the outcome here and I'm simply saying he needs to consider his tolerance for Ben's shit played a some part in setting up.

I had to clarify a few things from a few days ago as Millard seemed to be missing that hence wasn't able to get my point. At this point I give zero fucks, nor did I before, but I'll take the time to clarify it as he's taken time to clarify for me. More of an A and B conversation like I said before and I don't think it's top priority for either of us but communication and understanding can be worthwhile and maybe help prevent shit shows in the future.

As far as TGI ban...well shit yeah that's bannable. Don't think TGI disagreed either, puts this whole forum at risk. Like I said before though, I've had a friend who likely made a hit list (still alive, did long stint in Fed I believe). I felt bad for him but he deserved to be there. I don't care for BBen. I think he's a tool, but if someone tried to fuck his real life...that's beyond internet bs. I'd have his side in that in a second. Granted, I don't want to know anything about it but there are lines not to cross in this world. Anyone who believes otherwise is naive and needs some real world experience (I also acknowledge I could be the fucked opinion maybe...how I've always seen it anyway).

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I do appreciate it.

 

[Mac11wildcat]

So what do you keep arguing about.

1.) TGI is or was an open source. He should expect LE to be looking into him from day 1. So if he is the messiah like you think then his pour OPSEC is a threat to his customers.

2.) No one is say MF didnt say some dumb shit. And no one is encouraging others to do so.

3.) TGI committed the ultimate sin by releasing his customers info and putting a bounty on him. What makes you think he wouldn't do the same for a bad review or bad test results? There is no coming back from this sin.

So now that has been clarified, MF uttered a threat. He doesnt hold hundreds of members personal information correct. TGI does and has shown what he is willing to do. With that being said I now hope this mf'er gets caught.

So @Mac11wildcat what is your whinny as continue to argue about? Please expand on your cunt talk.

@Monstar BB said he was a rep? Ok and??? I'm Jesus Christ. Should I be banned. Is this what you are hanging your hat on? My god serious or not who gives a flying fuck. @Mac11wildcat also says he isnt a TGI shill but we all know better then that and he isnt banned. Words dont hurt you. Gangbangers getting money or gear for retribution.will though. Also @Mac11wildcat if it's acceptable how would you feel if there was a bounty on your head? Cool right?

I’m still waiting for ANY evidence that I’m a shill, in any dealing with TGI other than my own personal usage, or that I’m here only to make money. I’ve never told a client to buy TGIs stuff over another source. Have never sent anybody gear. Charge less than Meso’s “accepted” training service. Carry only a handful of clients. Have NEVER said in a post or thread here “you’re gonna have to pay for that advice.” Have literally zero knowledge of brewing/the business side of a source.

I’d be a fucking terrible shill. However. I do give props when an order comes quickly. I also posted several times regarding incorrect orders, painful gear, etc.

As far as releasing somebody’s indentity....man...wish i could elaborate there. Really do. But unlike SOME individuals here I consider PMs to be private.

Continue your slanderous bullshit whilst simultaneously spouting righteous talk of “draining the swamp.” You’re a joke.

On a side note; anybody wants to come talk to me I’ll DM the address. You also don’t find me threatening drug dealers though. *shrug*

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Lol you’re cute. I’ll clean my mess up if you clean up all the cum from Millard left on your face.

Unlike you, I'm not dickriding anyone. Your comeback was weak as a girl, Nancy.

honest question for ya, what makes you any different than the guy who was being a NARC and ratting source boards to their registrars. You are literally thinking about doing the exact same thing.

You thought I was going to "rat him out"? Oh, no no no. You obviously don't know me. I don't rat anyone out. I may or may not take out his channel through other means, but that depends on how he wants to proceed with regard to sending you lames over here to carry water for him. If I decide to do something, it won't be anything tgi expects, but it will be something that makes doing business extremely difficult.

 

[Brotato]

Unlike you, I'm not dickriding anyone. Your comeback was weak as a girl, Nancy.



You thought I was going to "rat him out"? Oh, no no no. You obviously don't know me. I don't rat anyone out. I may or may not take out his channel through other means, but that depends on how he wants to proceed with regard to sending you lames over here to carry water for him. If I decide to do something, it won't be anything tgi expects, but it will be something that makes doing business extremely difficult.

can i antagonize you into doing it to satisfy my own curiosity?

 

[Brotato]

Why would you want that? TGI isn’t here anymore. Why can’t this thread die and everyone just move on?

i just said in the comment you quoted for my own curiosity

 

[Millard]

Irony.......the people so hell bent on trashing tgi are actually the ones promoting him and placing him back on top of the underground....

Irony.......the people so hell bent on supporting tgi are actually the ones trashing him and placing him back on top of the underground....

Yes sir, seems to be the case. Do you think this publicity will win him any new customers? By all means, I want this at the top of the pile. Stickie this shit show. What a fucking Apex of good sourcing and community safety this has been.

 

[Millard]

I said the customers info was possibly a byproduct of it, not the sole reason that TGI would have made that move. TGI made that move I’d guess because his freedom and livelihood was threatened.

So you are now saying TGI's move to hire someone to assault a former member was not solely done to protect his customers. The protection of his customers was "possibly a byproduct".

Really. Really? Seriously?

You couldn't be more wrong.

@TitaniumGear (TGI) had two choices:

If @TitaniumGear (TGI) was more interested in protecting his customers, he had the choice of leaving the source business completely once he suspected he was compromised.

But @TitaniumGear (TGI) was more interested in preserving and continuing his drug-dealing livelihood. So he chose to solicit the assault of a former member.

Small scale steroid distribution isn't a high priority for law enforcement.

But a steroid source who is also soliciting the physical assault of other individual(s) is an entirely different category of seriousness in the eyes of the law.

@TitaniumGear (TGI) placed all of his customers in a far more precarious position than ever before with his actions, especially those who may have participated, encouraged or promoted such action.

This did not, in any way, protect his customers. But quite the opposite.

I can't believe what I am reading from you.

You've essentially argued that customers should support @TitaniumGear (TGI)'s physical violence against a former member who threatened to report him to the police because... WAIT FOR IT...

The physical violence would be in the interest of protecting his customers?!

The fact that he was vulnerable to such threats in the first place really says all you need to know about his concern for his customers.

Furthermore, TGI could have just stopped sourcing if he felt like his freedom was at stake or felt threatened in anyway.
He chose to leave Meso but he did not choose to STOP sourcing!
Why!? (Rhetorical question).

 

[Stanfordpharma1]

The point he made was that SP came in here without ever being vetted. He had vets vouch for him and he never had to go through the crap other sources have had to.

As a private source you get asked all the same questions over and over again by the vets just behind the scenes because you are private and the conversations aren't public. I do understand your point (or whomevers point) as not being scrutinized as harshly when i went public, But i didn't have it as easy as being made out to be. I was bashed for a while. When it comes to bashing it's how you handle it as a source. You need a cool head to prevail. I was even bashed by some of the vets like bb69 (whom I'm supposed to be in cahoots with, lol). I guess it made a bit of a difference being the fact that I've been doing this for almost 20 years and many people knew who i was already and knew i was decent at what i do. 20 years with how many complaints? Publicly on meso for 3 years now and how many complaints? Now, i may not be jesus, but i think that shows a level of pride in what i do. I've had to deal with a lot of the same stuff other sources had to. I've been burned for many thousands of dollars in the past few years and never did i ever consider posting somebodies personal info. That is a rat ass bitch and there's nothing lower. I chalked it up as breakage. Just the price of doing business and my own fault for trusting certain people. I also had to deal with the meso mob and i weathered the storm pretty well. Shit, here i am feeling like I've done people pretty well and i have to deal with the recent drama. Point I'm making is, i didn't have it as easy as some would think. I doubt anyone really knows how hard i tried to do people right. No idea. And then some yahoo comes in here trying to tear me down talking smack about me and handing out private emails about me to everybody putting my security at risk. How anyone could talk smack about me behind my back (not you) and all i did was defend myself. I never tried to talk bad about the sources that did that to me, but i am at a loss for words how anyone could defend the sources slamming me behind my back. Let me ask you, or anyone for that matter, what's the talk like about me on tgi discord? Am i supervillan status yet? lol. I'm sure there's a bit of stanford talk over there. How often am i talking smack about anyone over here? I have way to much integrity for that. I have way more things on my mind about the situation that just seems to linger, but I'll leave it there for now. But, if i had my druthers i would be bane.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

As a private source you get asked all the same questions over and over again by the vets just behind the scenes because you are private and the conversations aren't public. I do understand your point (or whomevers point) as not being scrutinized as harshly when i went public, But i didn't have it as easy as being made out to be. I was bashed for a while. When it comes to bashing it's how you handle it as a source. You need a cool head to prevail. I was even bashed by some of the vets like bb69 (whom I'm supposed to be in cahoots with, lol). I guess it made a bit of a difference being the fact that I've been doing this for almost 20 years and many people knew who i was already and knew i was decent at what i do. 20 years with how many complaints? Publicly on meso for 3 years now and how many complaints? Now, i may not be jesus, but i think that shows a level of pride in what i do. I've had to deal with a lot of the same stuff other sources had to. I've been burned for many thousands of dollars in the past few years and never did i ever consider posting somebodies personal info. That is a rat ass bitch and there's nothing lower. I chalked it up as breakage. Just the price of doing business and my own fault for trusting certain people. I also had to deal with the meso mob and i weathered the storm pretty well. Shit, here i am feeling like I've done people pretty well and i have to deal with the recent drama. Point I'm making is, i didn't have it as easy as some would think. I doubt anyone really knows how hard i tried to do people right. No idea. And then some yahoo comes in here trying to tear me down talking smack about me and handing out private emails about me to everybody putting my security at risk. How anyone could talk smack about me behind my back (not you) and all i did was defend myself. I never tried to talk bad about the sources that did that to me, but i am at a loss for words how anyone could defend the sources slamming me behind my back. Let me ask you, or anyone for that matter, what's the talk like about me on tgi discord? Am i supervillan status yet? lol. I'm sure there's a bit of stanford talk over there. How often am i talking smack about anyone over here? I have way to much integrity for that. I have way more things on my mind about the situation that just seems to linger, but I'll leave it there for now. But, if i had my druthers i would be bane.

Talk around the water cooler is he's fixin to have you beat up.

Nah, just joking. Couldn't tell you. Not part of the group and have zero interest in ever being part of that group.

 

[johntt44]

I dont get how Mac is a shill for TGI? Never seen him recommend any of the sources on here. I never purchased from TGI, Symbiotics, or Stanford for that matter. I really dont understand all the people jumping to conclusions and going down various rabbit holes with this shit. TGI definitely shouldve been banned for threatening to pay for someone to get a beating. Hes gone, right? The rest of it is gossip and conjecture with people pointing fingers at others without reason. My 2 cents.

 

[hog72]

Can’t Millard just remove the entire tgi thread??

 

[Seven]

Can’t Millard just remove the entire tgi thread??

Why would he?

 

[Millard]

Now granted BB has been at this for a while and you can't be everywhere at once and track who knows he's full of shit or not, BUT I'm going to offer maybe you need a new rule here that no one should lie and pretend to be a forum staff or owner...seems insane...I totally realize this...but sure stirred some shit and at least IMO caused you and this forum issues.

Speaking for myself, I wouldn't tolerate that shit and allow it to damage myself or an asset I'd built and invested time in. Dude has obvious issues, maybe you pity and indulge him some but no problem with drawing a very reasonable line and asking for it to be respected.

It is prohibited to act as an official representative of MESO or to act as an owner of MESO. If @biggerben69 did that, he is not allowed to do so.

For the record, you are the only person to EVER publicly admit confusing @biggerben69 as an official MESO rep/owner.

Even the people in this thread who raise the issue, they readily acknowledge they were never confused. They only raised the issue in order to protect @TitaniumGear (TGI) - by attempting to stop @biggerben69 from attacking TGI and his fanbois - it was not out of concern that it would damage MESO's reputation.

Confusion about BB is NOT the real problem. And you should know it. I don't understand the deflection.

The real problem is crystal clear:

@TitaniumGear (TGI) and his fanbois have made a concerted effort to create and promote false rumors that I am conspiring with drug dealers and/or selling narcotics.

I am not missing or overlooking your point. But your point of blaming me or @biggerben69 for their actions is illogical and irrational.

The ONLY ones to blame are @TitaniumGear (TGI) and his fanbois.

I will absolutely not "tolerate that shit and allow it to damage myself or an asset I'd built and invested time in".

For some reason, you are reluctant to fully acknowledge what "that shit" really is.

 

[Brotato]

you people are literally arguing back and forth with a guy that started a forum for harm reduction but allows sources to attempt to do their thing.

there's no sourcing fee and if millard really wanted to make money and profit from drug dealers he could and would have switched to that model long ago.

it's crazy to me that you guys can even debate him to this extent that shit wouldn't happen anywhere else. u would just be quietly banned and comments deleted.

 

[Millard]

There is no room for rational here. It’s actually most likely to be attacked as fanboying and shilling.

There are certainly no fanbois in this thread. Have you seen any?

Signs that you may be a fanboi:

• Creating a community primarily based on shared interest of being a customer of the vendor.
• Participating exclusively or almost exclusively in the vendor thread.
• Considering other fanbois of the vendor as "family" or "like family".
• Unprompted praise for the vendor and/or their products.
• Repeated and excessive praise for the vendor and/or their products.
• Repeated back-and-forth conversations with other fanbois praising the vendor and/or their products.
• Devotion to protecting vendor against any outside criticism.
• Excessive willingness to overlook, forgive or rationalize flaws and/or otherwise objectionable behavior by the vendor.
• Susceptibility to believing rumors promoted by the vendor no matter how stupid or inane the conspiracies may be.
• Acting as an unpaid unofficial representative of the vendor by relaying information on behalf of the vendor. The fanboi does not generally receive compensation for this but acts out of loyalty because they consider the vendor their "friend".

 

[hog72]

Why would he?

why wouldnt he??

 

[Seven]

Can’t Millard just remove the entire tgi thread??

Why would he?

why wouldnt he??

Bc nothing gets deleted. You have 15 mins to edit or delete your post after that it's here forever.

Millard has already said this thread is a case study in fanbois behavior.

This thread is a case study in fanboi behavior.

• Creating a community primarily based on shared interest of being a customer of the vendor.
• Participating exclusively or almost exclusively in the vendor thread.
• Considering other fanbois of the vendor as "family" or "like family".
• Unprompted praise for the vendor and/or their products.
• Repeated and excessive praise for the vendor and/or their products.
• Repeated back-and-forth conversations with other fanbois praising the vendor and/or their products.
• Devotion to protecting vendor against any outside criticism.
• Excessive willingness to overlook, forgive or rationalize flaws and/or otherwise objectionable behavior by the vendor.
• Susceptibility to believing rumors promoted by the vendor no matter how stupid or inane the conspiracies may be.

You get the idea.

And you may be right. These are most likely customers who are unusually loyal because they have received good service and good product.

It still doesn't change the fanboi characterization. Nor does it diminishes the unfortunate consequence of filter bubbles.

Every business marketer would love to have such a devoted fanboi base. This is a measure of business success.

This is not unusual in the business world.

However, it is a little weird when it involves fanbois for drug dealers.

This thread is the first of its kind in the history of source threads and will be studied for decades. Each post will be examined to the fullest. There is already special software in design to break everything down.

Are you nervous about something?

 

[Monstar]

It is prohibited to act as an official representative of MESO or to act as an owner of MESO. If @biggerben69 did that, he is not allowed to do so.

For the record, you are the only person to EVER publicly admit confusing @biggerben69 as an official MESO rep/owner.

Even the people in this thread who raise the issue, they readily acknowledge they were never confused. They only raised the issue in order to protect @TitaniumGear (TGI) - by attempting to stop @biggerben69 from attacking TGI and his fanbois - it was not out of concern that it would damage MESO's reputation.

Confusion about BB is NOT the real problem. And you should know it. I don't understand the deflection.

The real problem is crystal clear:

@TitaniumGear (TGI) and his fanbois have made a concerted effort to create and promote false rumors that I am conspiring with drug dealers and/or selling narcotics.

I am not missing or overlooking your point. But your point of blaming me or @biggerben69 for their actions is illogical and irrational.

The ONLY ones to blame are @TitaniumGear (TGI) and his fanbois.

I will absolutely not "tolerate that shit and allow it to damage myself or an asset I'd built and invested time in".

For some reason, you are reluctant to fully acknowledge what "that shit" really is.

I guess I'm incredibly out of the loop. I do recall conversing with TGI and he mentioned that people suggested to him that BiggerBen was actually you when Ben first started in that thread. Everything I've seen indicates plenty of confusion and I don't think I'm worthwhile enough to bother influencing. I told TGI I thought that was pretty farfetched given history here. Plus dude writes like he's off his meds. From my outside optics this seems like a huge misunderstanding on both sides with both alleging conspiracy theories that, IMO at least, are far fetched and imaginary.

Regardless, I appreciate the time over a number of days especially given some issues have kept me from responding in a timely way. For what its worth everything I've said has been 100% truthful and genuine if you had any doubt whatsoever. I've always sought to avoid board drama and bullshit for a number of very good reasons. Apparently I was in need of a refresher - nothing negative toward youself.

 

[rpbb]

I guess I'm incredibly out of the loop. I do recall conversing with TGI and he mentioned that people suggested to him that BiggerBen was actually you when Ben first started in that thread. Everything I've seen indicates plenty of confusion and I don't think I'm worthwhile enough to bother influencing. I told TGI I thought that was pretty farfetched given history here. Plus dude writes like he's off his meds. From my outside optics this seems like a huge misunderstanding on both sides with both alleging conspiracy theories that, IMO at least, are far fetched and imaginary.

Regardless, I appreciate the time over a number of days especially given some issues have kept me from responding in a timely way. For what its worth everything I've said has been 100% truthful and genuine if you had any doubt whatsoever. I've always sought to avoid board drama and bullshit for a number of very good reasons. Apparently I was in need of a refresher - nothing negative toward youself.

you're like a chick, you always feel the need to get the last word, it goes on forever, and nothing makes sense

 

[hog72]

Bc nothing gets deleted. You have 15 mins to edit or delete your post after that it's here forever.

Millard has already said this thread is a case study in fanbois behavior.



This thread is the first of its kind in the history of source threads and will be studied for decades. Each post will be examined to the fullest. There is already special software in design to break everything down.

Are you nervous about something?

nervous?? no, should i be? are u??