Torture - Extreme Pain

[Sworder]

I was in in the Army, we did POW training, but SERE training is where they would deal with escape and torture. The Rangers do more psychological training than physical as far as that.

But actually training people by torturing them, if that happens it's not "on the books"

The military has the really good info on this type of stuff. They go hard on the psychology with methods.

This type of training can be great to use in many situations, nasty job interviews, uncomfortable altercations etc.

My cousin got his arm blown off in the Army, no real therapy for him afterwards either. Pretty fudged, PTSD and these types of traumas can be healed! It takes a lot of 1on1 psychotherapy dealing with desensitization training and other techniques. That costs a lot of resources, it isn't "financially viable" to use resources on that though.

 

[notdeadYET]

How has hormones helped you? I want to get my mom on some nandrolone, she has a lot of chronic pain and arthritis. A lot of the female auto immune disabilities involving nerves can be ameliorated with some hormones.

I’ve made a lot of changes since being diagnosed. Actual diagnosis is Mixed Connective Tissue Disease. I have markers of RA, Lupus, And Psoriasis. There is a lot of documentation about men with the disease and low T as these diseases typically affect women like 2-3x more than men.

So I generally feel better on than off, but I also quit drinking alcohol, changed diet, and take other meds for inflammation. I won’t take any of the stronger meds as the side effects seem worse to me (loss of vision, cancer, etc.) Chronic pain sucks especially when it’s invisible. My doctor didn’t need to tell me this because he knows I run and lift, but says it’s important to keep moving. So many people rely on the medicine and just give up and the disease/pain wins.

 

[flenser]

All the standard pains from aging after a misspent youth. Wouldn't call it torture so much as an excuse to drink more - even though drinking makes it worse.

Speaking of misspent youths, I was "that kid" who got bullied mercilessly in grade school. My classmates made an entire sport of it, and the teachers didn't get involved in those days. I also had Asperger's which seemed to enhance the entertainment value of torturing me. As far as tips on dealing with it, I avoided them when I could, ran from them when I had to, and occasionally got beat up anyway.

Fortunately, I grew up bigger than the bullies, and they left me alone after just one serious encounter. I never held a grudge, mostly forgot about it except when drinking and telling stories. Even became good friends with one of them years later.

 

[Sworder]

Wouldn't call it torture so much as an excuse to drink more - even though drinking makes it worse.

This is kinda what I am getting at and why I want to learn coping techniques.

I think we get too much stress and instead of actively doing anything about it. We let it build until it is overwhelming. I want to learn about Torture so I can stand comfortably when somebody is breathing down my neck at the grocery store. When I am sitting in a traffic jam and have 5 minutes to get where I need to be et cetera.

 

[flenser]

This is kinda what I am getting at and why I want to learn coping techniques.

I think we get too much stress and instead of actively doing anything about it. We let it build until it is overwhelming. I want to learn about Torture so I can stand comfortably when somebody is breathing down my neck at the grocery store. When I am sitting in a traffic jam and have 5 minutes to get where I need to be et cetera.

OK, here's one for your quotes page..

"..when pain is to be borne, a little courage helps more than much knowledge, a little human sympathy more than much courage, and the least tincture of the love of God most of all." C. S. Lewis

 

[Sworder]

OK, here's one for your quotes page..

"..when pain is to be borne, a little courage helps more than much knowledge, a little human sympathy more than much courage, and the least tincture of the love of God most of all." C. S. Lewis

Haha, nice quote. Took me a minute to get it.

Here is the thing, with anything where the duration of the pain or stress is finite. It is a cake walk to deal with. Really! You know it will come to an end so what's the worst that could happen. That is the type of pain or situation C.S. Lewis is describing, a finite one. <- That's how I am interpreting it. I googled to find an interpretation of this quote, couldn't find one. Do you have a personal take?

When talking about the pain and stress that has an unknown or possibly no end. That really plays tricks on your mind and your courage will falter. Sympathy will run out and God's holy rays will not reach you anymore.

The mind will go to a very dark place because death is so much easier than living! That is where I need my logical structured thinking, if this happens then do this. If my mind thinks this way start thinking about this. There are ways to do this stuff!

Anybody in solitary confinement for a longer stretch would have to experienced something extremely stressful.

 

[flenser]

Do you have a personal take?

For nearly all people pain is a constant throughout life. Lewis lived in a time when that was far more obvious than it is to us today in the West. My take on his words is that he was merely stating a given.

The work I quoted from is on the nature of God despite its morbid subject. I read it decades ago, and only stumbled on the pain quote recently on another blog.

The Problem of Pain

 

[Sworder]

For nearly all people pain is a constant throughout life. Lewis lived in a time when that was far more obvious than it is to us today in the West. My take on his words is that he was merely stating a given.

The work I quoted from is on the nature of God despite its morbid subject. I read it decades ago, and only stumbled on the pain quote recently on another blog.

The Problem of Pain

I found a PDF, quick read I will let you know what I think about it when I finish.

http://www.samizdat.qc.ca/cosmos/philo/PDFs/ProblemofPain_CSL.pdf

 

[koolio]

I loved Jack London books as a kid. Call of the Wild, White Fang, etc. I liked Tom Sawyer, Huck Finn, also. Adventure more than fantasy.

I was a special Ed teacher for 32 years...the last 20 I worked with elementary kids....the first book we would read was white fang....those kids loved that book....of course it was a condensed version with easy vocabulary but they still loved it....we also read call of the wild, Huck Finn, Tom Sawyer, all of the classics!....

 

[JMpMasterSteve]

Stayed in a cage with only standing room and a pot for shitting in for a few days. Played games with the pot like trying to shimmy it up to my shoulders then drop it to make noise. Laid in another cage with only laying room connected to others and built on an angle. When someone pissed or shit it would roll down therefore the person at the bottom laid in it for a couple days. Day dreaming really worked for me. Honestly I though about pussy a lot as wierd as that is.

 

[Sworder]

Stayed in a cage with only standing room and a pot for shitting in for a few days. Played games with the pot like trying to shimmy it up to my shoulders then drop it to make noise. Laid in another cage with only laying room connected to others and built on an angle. When someone pissed or shit it would roll down therefore the person at the bottom laid in it for a couple days. Day dreaming really worked for me. Honestly I though about pussy a lot as wierd as that is.

As horrible as it sounds that pot probably gave you some entertainment. I imagine that is key, focusing on something.

 

[JMpMasterSteve]

As horrible as it sounds that pot probably gave you some entertainment. I imagine that is key, focusing on something.

No doubt, tried to shimmy to sit on it but didn’t work out. Fatigue sets in quickly so I’m almost immediately going to my happy place.

 

[Sworder]

No doubt, tried to shimmy to sit on it but didn’t work out. Fatigue sets in quickly so I’m almost immediately going to my happy place.

Stress positions are one of my worst fears. That's rough. Have you processed that? For example if you see a pot that looks like the one you had does it generate an emotional response?

I heard they do a lot of white room torture now. Put you in a white room deprived of any sensory input for longer periods of time. The latest and greatest in breaking a person down mentally.

 

[JMpMasterSteve]

Stress positions are one of my worst fears. That's rough. Have you processed that? For example if you see a pot that looks like the one you had does it generate an emotional response?

I heard they do a lot of white room torture now. Put you in a white room deprived of any sensory input for longer periods of time. The latest and greatest in breaking a person down mentally.

Yes I have processed it, no flash backs or ptsd issues but I do look back now and think of what I learned about myself and the capabilities of the human body while there. Truly a tuff tissue we live in, able to adapt to just about any environment.
I have only experienced the opposite of white room torture where they try to overload your sensory input so I can’t say which would be more effective really.

 

[Sworder]

Yes I have processed it, no flash backs or ptsd issues but I do look back now and think of what I learned about myself and the capabilities of the human body while there. Truly a tuff tissue we live in, able to adapt to just about any environment.

I agree!

I have only experienced the opposite of white room torture where they try to overload your sensory input so I can’t say which would be more effective really.

I guess it depends on the duration. For a week, sensory overload is probably most effective. Talking about months and deprivation is the choice.

With the overload I think adaption is a "problem."

 

[johntt44]

I was a special Ed teacher for 32 years...the last 20 I worked with elementary kids....the first book we would read was white fang....those kids loved that book....of course it was a condensed version with easy vocabulary but they still loved it....we also read call of the wild, Huck Finn, Tom Sawyer, all of the classics!....

I loved that realistic adventure type of book. Convoluted unrealistic fantasy does nothing for me. I'm such a realist that my brain wont let me like it. Same with movies and shows. I really think that Harry Potter type books give kids an unrealistic view of solving problems. In the real world there are no spells that are keeping the bully from taking your milk money. Toughen up even at your own detriment, that's the real world.

 

[Sworder]

I loved that realistic adventure type of book. Convoluted unrealistic fantasy does nothing for me. I'm such a realist that my brain wont let me like it. Same with movies and shows. I really think that Harry Potter type books give kids an unrealistic view of solving problems. In the real world there are no spells that are keeping the bully from taking your milk money. Toughen up even at your own detriment, that's the real world.

I think the books are meant to empower kids that are put in that situation. It is about relating to something, seems like there was a huge world of people whom could relate.

 

[movingiron88]

Stayed in a cage with only standing room and a pot for shitting in for a few days. Played games with the pot like trying to shimmy it up to my shoulders then drop it to make noise. Laid in another cage with only laying room connected to others and built on an angle. When someone pissed or shit it would roll down therefore the person at the bottom laid in it for a couple days. Day dreaming really worked for me. Honestly I though about pussy a lot as wierd as that is.

Brother what happened? This sounds awful. Military?

 

[JMpMasterSteve]

Brother what happened? This sounds awful. Military?

Yeah, it went for a couple days. Glad it’s over lol

 

[Sworder]

Glad it’s over lol

I don't mean to be rude but it's kind of funny. Whenever somebody says "Glad it's over" you know they have gone through some rough sh!t. Best of luck to you! Thanks for serving pal.