Yeah, I've seen some yoked ass trainers at Golds that would talk aas with me. Some of them never even heard of a pct. Just doing oral only cycles. I've tried to educate them and they'd be like "fuck a pct. I don't need no pct", lol. Just because you personally haven't seen it, but there are guys out there that know their shit even though they don't apply it. Imagine if you've studied this shit for a few decades. You've got 20 guys at any given time that your working with for aas and strength and conditioning. Now, imaging your a fat ass for whatever reason. Maybe you were in great shape. An athlete at one point, but due to an injury or whatever, you've gone off the deep end physically. There are just those guys out there that know their shit. But, I would tend to wanna trust a guy that practices what he preaches over someone that doesn't. But I think you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you didn't keep your options open. As for myself, I may have never been a professional fighter for my own reasons, I do work with them. I do train them. Some of them don't put 100% trust in me, yet they always find out later they should have. Example. Some fighters are stuck on the whole "weights make you bulky and slower". This is the mentality that is hardest to break. But when I do... they literally fall in love with me for it. Hard to break a guy that grew up in a classic gym of his negative attributes. To that I say, forget everything you've ever been taught. Listen to me and I'll make you great.... I'll make you great.