Tren Base/Suspension - Better for Mental Sides?

[WeaponPharma]

By week 4 of Tren Ace, at a dose of 300mg p/w (100mg mon/wed/fri) I felt a really dark pessimism wash over me. I take 60mg p/d of Duloxetine for anxiety - it was no match for the tren. The “anger” side of the equation was not there, just a deep vibe that “there is no point in anything”. Took me at least a few weeks to recover once I stopped.

The notion that Tren Ace allows users a more conservative approach - because it is rapidly out of your system - did not work for me. In fact, I would say actually that it took the same time to noticeably work - as a compound - as it did to stop feeling the mental sides.

Question: has anyone noticed a difference in terms of the mental sides of Tren base? If someone runs it for a limited time-pinning twice daily- is it a good return on investment in terms of decent gains and a quick return to mental normality?

 

[Palifter]

Sounds like tren ain’t for you bud, regardless of ester.

 

[xrayphoton13]

Why not try a long ester at a lower amount? Tren enanthate 100mg/week total pinning either once or twice a week

 

[Grey Spartan]

By week 4 of Tren Ace, at a dose of 300mg p/w

Curious why you started at such a high dose?

 

[WeaponPharma]

Thanks gents for this

I made a mistake with my high initial dose of Tren A. I have considered a lower dose but I am also looking seriously at Parabolan- Tren hex. I’d run 100mg p/w - I have a 100mg/ml vial from QSC.

My issue is that I felt almost identical sides from NPP at 300mg p/w. I’m sorta thinking 19nors are my enemy! It’s the same old story - the prospect of gains is too difficult to refuse. I feel like I can handle the mental sides if I can recover very quickly, if needed. That is my thinking now with the tren base. Theoretically at least, I thought I could stop and be approaching normal mental health within a couple of days.

Thanks for reading guys. Sending everyone positive energy from NSW, Australia

 

[Intrepid]

I don't think tren ace at 300mg/week is considered a high dose. I mean maybe for a first cycle, an argument could be made you could have started lower, but people usually start at 350/week all the time so i wouldn't say the dose is outrageous.

I think what messed with you the most was your dosing schedule. 100mg is quite a large amount, then to add to that you're doing it EOD so you're just having these constant, massive hormonal changes and the Rollercoaster of emotions that comes with that.

I find keeping blood levels stable very helpful to reducing tren sides, and doing 50mg ed would probably yield less sides than 100mg eod (or 3x a week). Yes pinning ed is annoying, but It is what it is if you're going to run ace.

I stick to mostly tren e now to avoid the ED jabbing, and to keep my blood levels stable. I wouldn't reccomend this though, especially if you're new to tren as its a longer ester and takes longer to clear if you have problems. People tolerate esters differently, and i just don't seem to get the bad sides with enanthate any more than I would with acetate

There does seem to be this weird stigma attached to tren esters where people perceive that:
-ace gives less sides
-enanthate gives the worst sides
-hex gives the least sides

Although I don't personally find this to be true (ive never used hex though)

I don't think tren base is the answer you're looking for either, that would just increase the hormone fluctuations even more, which again we don't want

Maybe you're just a bad responder to tren in terms of sides, maybe you started too high, or maybe your dosing scheme is to blame. Hard to say

 

[Liter O' Test]

find something else bro
1kg of muscle or depression?

have you heard of testosterone?
i heard its good

 

[88general88]

By week 4 of Tren Ace, at a dose of 300mg p/w (100mg mon/wed/fri) I felt a really dark pessimism wash over me. I take 60mg p/d of Duloxetine for anxiety - it was no match for the tren. The “anger” side of the equation was not there, just a deep vibe that “there is no point in anything”. Took me at least a few weeks to recover once I stopped.

The notion that Tren Ace allows users a more conservative approach - because it is rapidly out of your system - did not work for me. In fact, I would say actually that it took the same time to noticeably work - as a compound - as it did to stop feeling the mental sides.

Question: has anyone noticed a difference in terms of the mental sides of Tren base? If someone runs it for a limited time-pinning twice daily- is it a good return on investment in terms of decent gains and a quick return to mental normality?

See this is what bothers me. There is a misconception that TREN enanthate has these wicked sides and if you want to get rid of the sides or can handle them that acetate, would be a better option. This isn't the case. The sides are actually brought on much more gradually, not as intense. Acetates half life is definitely shorter and it is out of your system faster but that doesn't mean the sides are easier to control. My experience with TREN has tought me the best way to control any unwanted sides is to keep my levels as stable as possible, which is done by daily injections of it. Getting rid of peaks and valleys.

 

[88general88]

I think they should send out a questionnaire prior to being able to order TREN, Am I a raging lunatic in life already? Am I in a serious relationship that my livelihood depends on? Do I have self control ? If you answer yes to the 1st two and no to the last. You name should be shot to a database where not only can you not order TREN, but carts n kits too.

 

[BuildABro]

I preface this by saying I have only taken Hex, which is the longest acting Tren ester with a 14 day half life. I was also dosing very modestly at 150 mg per week.

That said, I find that the individual variability with Tren sides to be so all over the place that it is exceedingly difficult to draw many generalities. In your case, it sounds like you had a pretty bad run on things. Maybe Tren is just not the best option for you, or you can go back to the drawing board with either dosing frequency or quantity. Or potentially try swapping out to a different Tren derivative.

Side effect profile in my case was manageable IMO. I just found that I needed to be VERY cognizant of my behavior as seemingly minor annoyances could quickly become elevated. I never legit lost my shit or went crazy, but one day in particular about 7 weeks into my cycle the washing machine at my place bit the dust and I was going to be out 800+ bucks for a replacement. This came on the heels of a significant repair bill on my truck that I had just absorbed too, so I probably would have been at my wits end even without Tren. You would not have wanted to speak to or deal with me that particular day. The anger was all consuming and I was seemingly looking to fight anyone that made eye contact with me. Ultimately I tucked myself away in my man cave for a few hours to decompress and refocus, but I knew at that moment what everyone had always warned be about regarding Trenbolone. When I cycle hex again, I will be better prepared for this type of situation.

The real bitch of it is no compound I have ever messed with is even close in terms of performance. Test + Tren is truly next level for this dudes bod. I have missed that level of intensity and focus in the gym pretty much every day since I came off of it. I feel like my workouts off Tren are just going through the motions by comparison. So I am going to run it again without question.

In your case, I hope you are able to find a solution that works well for your goals and your headspace. Be it Tren or some other compound or combination.

 

[WeaponPharma]

I don't think tren ace at 300mg/week is considered a high dose. I mean maybe for a first cycle, an argument could be made you could have started lower, but people usually start at 350/week all the time so i wouldn't say the dose is outrageous.

I think what messed with you the most was your dosing schedule. 100mg is quite a large amount, then to add to that you're doing it EOD so you're just having these constant, massive hormonal changes and the Rollercoaster of emotions that comes with that.

I find keeping blood levels stable very helpful to reducing tren sides, and doing 50mg ed would probably yield less sides than 100mg eod (or 3x a week). Yes pinning ed is annoying, but It is what it is if you're going to run ace.

I stick to mostly tren e now to avoid the ED jabbing, and to keep my blood levels stable. I wouldn't reccomend this though, especially if you're new to tren as its a longer ester and takes longer to clear if you have problems. People tolerate esters differently, and i just don't seem to get the bad sides with enanthate any more than I would with acetate

There does seem to be this weird stigma attached to tren esters where people perceive that:
-ace gives less sides
-enanthate gives the worst sides
-hex gives the least sides

Although I don't personally find this to be true (ive never used hex though)

I don't think tren base is the answer you're looking for either, that would just increase the hormone fluctuations even more, which again we don't want

Maybe you're just a bad responder to tren in terms of sides, maybe you started too high, or maybe your dosing scheme is to blame. Hard to say

this is a very generous response - thank you brother, for taking the time to share. The reality is that I have some mental "weakness" - the panic disorder is right there, at the margins, and the duloxetine does a great job of keeping it at bay, with a minimum of fuss. I felt with the Tren that there was no worry about the anxiety side of the equation, more the depression side. It took a significant toll on my mental sharpness too.

I am currently on a blast, taking about 2 grams of gear per week, but will shortly stop and revert to TRT for a month or so. After that, I will run tren hex - 100mg per week - and I will report back to you boys.

IMPORTANT - i would like to suggest that for gents who are wired a bit like me, seriously consider DHEA supplementation. Yeah, it is a vigorous steve "non-negotiable" and there is good reason. Unquesitonably helped me with cognition/memory etc - a modest effect, but fkn important. I also take pregnenolone 100mg e3d - cant say I have noticed much there

 

[WeaponPharma]

find something else bro
1kg of muscle or depression?

have you heard of testosterone?
i heard its good

i have man - I hear what you are saying. Currently taking 1 gram of test per week, 500mg DHB, and about another gram altogether of primo/mast. I am not happy at all with progress. I am a very impatient bodybuilder i guess

thank you bro

 

[WeaponPharma]

See this is what bothers me. There is a misconception that TREN enanthate has these wicked sides and if you want to get rid of the sides or can handle them that acetate, would be a better option. This isn't the case. The sides are actually brought on much more gradually, not as intense. Acetates half life is definitely shorter and it is out of your system faster but that doesn't mean the sides are easier to control. My experience with TREN has tought me the best way to control any unwanted sides is to keep my levels as stable as possible, which is done by daily injections of it. Getting rid of peaks and valleys.

this is significant advice - I am going to take this on board brother. You know, it is fucked - I have 10 vials of tren ace and at least than many tren e - i see them every time i open my gear box and my mouth starts watering. I will swing low and slow next time around - starting with the tren hex.

i will update you all here

 

[WeaponPharma]

I preface this by saying I have only taken Hex, which is the longest acting Tren ester with a 14 day half life. I was also dosing very modestly at 150 mg per week.

That said, I find that the individual variability with Tren sides to be so all over the place that it is exceedingly difficult to draw many generalities. In your case, it sounds like you had a pretty bad run on things. Maybe Tren is just not the best option for you, or you can go back to the drawing board with either dosing frequency or quantity. Or potentially try swapping out to a different Tren derivative.

Side effect profile in my case was manageable IMO. I just found that I needed to be VERY cognizant of my behavior as seemingly minor annoyances could quickly become elevated. I never legit lost my shit or went crazy, but one day in particular about 7 weeks into my cycle the washing machine at my place bit the dust and I was going to be out 800+ bucks for a replacement. This came on the heels of a significant repair bill on my truck that I had just absorbed too, so I probably would have been at my wits end even without Tren. You would not have wanted to speak to or deal with me that particular day. The anger was all consuming and I was seemingly looking to fight anyone that made eye contact with me. Ultimately I tucked myself away in my man cave for a few hours to decompress and refocus, but I knew at that moment what everyone had always warned be about regarding Trenbolone. When I cycle hex again, I will be better prepared for this type of situation.

The real bitch of it is no compound I have ever messed with is even close in terms of performance. Test + Tren is truly next level for this dudes bod. I have missed that level of intensity and focus in the gym pretty much every day since I came off of it. I feel like my workouts off Tren are just going through the motions by comparison. So I am going to run it again without question.

In your case, I hope you are able to find a solution that works well for your goals and your headspace. Be it Tren or some other compound or combination.

this is 100% the problem man - i hear you. The upside is so large. That fourth week of tren ace was unfuckingbelievable. It was better than superdrol for me. better than halo. i have never felt more dynamic in my fkn life and I want it back, almost at any cost!

i had my bloods pulled around that time and everything was bad, including my liver values which have otherwise been very fkn resilient over the years. the night sweats/no sleep - it all felt worth it for that experience of invincibility, but then there was the overarching feeling of everything being ... wrong. Like it'd never be right again.

i am not sure where in the world you are writing from brother, but in that state you were in on that day with the washing machine, I would have gone down to a certain part of the world where I know i can find irritated meth users who are coming down, and I would have started some trouble.

take care brother - sending you strength and positivity

 

[BuildABro]

this is 100% the problem man - i hear you. The upside is so large. That fourth week of tren ace was unfuckingbelievable. It was better than superdrol for me. better than halo. i have never felt more dynamic in my fkn life and I want it back, almost at any cost!

i had my bloods pulled around that time and everything was bad, including my liver values which have otherwise been very fkn resilient over the years. the night sweats/no sleep - it all felt worth it for that experience of invincibility, but then there was the overarching feeling of everything being ... wrong. Like it'd never be right again.

i am not sure where in the world you are writing from brother, but in that state you were in on that day with the washing machine, I would have gone down to a certain part of the world where I know i can find irritated meth users who are coming down, and I would have started some trouble.

take care brother - sending you strength and positivity

Aside from the strength/intensity levels, I just looked beastly af rocking the hex. I would legit stand there and look at myself in the mirror for extended periods of time in amazement. I have never looked quite that solid in my life id say. There is just no substitute for Trenbalone IMO
In terms of what it can do for your body, and in lightning fast speed too.

The sides can suck, and like yourself my bloods were disheartening, but after time and PCT they normalized. At the end of the day the allure of what Tren can do is just too much for me to be able to stay away from. I will continue to approach it cautiously and calculating, but there will 100% be more Tren in my future.

 

[Jaxino]

By week 4 of Tren Ace, at a dose of 300mg p/w (100mg mon/wed/fri) I felt a really dark pessimism wash over me. I take 60mg p/d of Duloxetine for anxiety - it was no match for the tren. The “anger” side of the equation was not there, just a deep vibe that “there is no point in anything”. Took me at least a few weeks to recover once I stopped.

The notion that Tren Ace allows users a more conservative approach - because it is rapidly out of your system - did not work for me. In fact, I would say actually that it took the same time to noticeably work - as a compound - as it did to stop feeling the mental sides.

Question: has anyone noticed a difference in terms of the mental sides of Tren base? If someone runs it for a limited time-pinning twice daily- is it a good return on investment in terms of decent gains and a quick return to mental normality?

You didn't mention with what your Tren was stacked with...
How were your estrogens levels?

I would use Fluvoxamine instead of Duloxetine on Tren, but for me it's not needed.

 

[WeaponPharma]

You didn't mention with what your Tren was stacked with...
How were your estrogens levels?

I would use Fluvoxamine instead of Duloxetine on Tren, but for me it's not needed.

Mate I was running 1:1 test/mast, but I am not sure what my estrogen level was at. I get no high estrogen symptoms on 1:1 test/mast, so I assume they were in range…

Do you think they might’ve been low? And that would explain the very poor mental sides? Cheers buddy