You are a bitch. Women react differently than men to prolactin - your breasts are proof of how women react.
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T-Diddy
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Easily the best forum on the internet. Love where this thread has gone, very much appreciate the input boys and big shout out to Dr. Jim and our boy Brutus. Confident I would have heard back from him on this one.
So question remains... is Tren "safe" for next cycle with TRT levels of Test-E? All other bloods are in check along with BP.
So question remains... is Tren "safe" for next cycle with TRT levels of Test-E? All other bloods are in check along with BP.
Like cbs has quoted- "the rooster crowed and the sun came up, therefore the rooster made the sun come up."
If some people take 19 nor and it causes an insignificant, but detectable, rise in prolactin levels it still can have nothing to do with the steroids directly. It could be that it causes stress and as noted stress raises prolatin. I get stressed on tren. It could be the increased volume in the gym on cycle with a 19 nor. It could be any part of a chain reaction, or just coincidence, feel me? At the end of the day if you are in double digits you are fine, and even in the hundreds it doesn't cause gyno or lactation in men. Just like blazing dick head just said- he has normal e2 and prolactin, yet he is lactating. That there shows me prolactin is not cause his lactatiin. It is probably his vagina.
No way to tell. You could have a host of other problems. Prolactin will not be one of them though, feel me?
blazinshotguns
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I see, good to see you still post very high quality .
Whoremoans
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Alright then well lets cycle some tren boys!
T-Diddy
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Yeah fair enough, think I feel you... It's not a problem until its a problem but won't be proclatin related.
A shotgun approach to lab testing quite often yields nonspecific highs and lows, many are the result of natural variance, normal physiologic patterns, the testing method utilized, lab error, a patients risk factors or a patients medications, to name a few.
Anyone can "order" lab tests but a certain level of expertise is required to interpret them accurately , IME.
Anyone can "order" lab tests but a certain level of expertise is required to interpret them accurately , IME.
Given that information no further "Prolactin zebra hunting" is warranted, IMO
Dr Jim my question is if I'm taking 250 mg a wk of test and don't have gyno problems and as soon as I add the tren what would cause the gyno to come? Then as soon as I come off it goes down? Not challenging the prolactin issue I'm just wondering if you have a logical explanation for this?
How could he possibly ascertain the cause of your gyno with absolutely no panels before during and after the tren and no knowledge of your medical history or aas history? You don't even mention prolactin levels being an issue in your post. Did you ready any of the posts previous to yours or did you simply race to post your "proof" of tren gyno? These are the times when I wonder why I even open my mouth and waste my fucking breath. Fucking. Ridiculous.
As soon as i stopped the tren a and deca my prolactin dropped back down into range. 16. I'm guessing that this is related to my use of gear. My dr had a fit and wanted me to have an mri, still does.
The coincidence is more than coincidental, another unproven 19-Nor anecdote to bolster the notion gynecomastia occurs via prolactin alone when it's clear it does NOT!
Heck even patients with prolactinomas have an elevated E-2 level, but someone forgot that little factoid when this BS was etched in stone as bro lore, lol.
The final common pathway for the development of GCM is an elevated E-2 level period!
Heck even patients with prolactinomas have an elevated E-2 level, but someone forgot that little factoid when this BS was etched in stone as bro lore, lol.
The final common pathway for the development of GCM is an elevated E-2 level period!
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Your question is based on far to many assumptions for any logical explanation but I'll give you some food for thought, how do you a KNOW the Tren your cycling is Tren rather than some other aromatizable AAS.
Any further logical discussion mandates pre and intra-cycle E-2, TT and prolactin levels as Brute already mentioned.
This is exactly what new members mean when they say there are those very few members here that are here just to belittle people, first off Brutus did I ask you the question? I think Dr Jim can reply his own he is a big boy. Are you a doctor Brutus? Or you going off articles and and studies you have read? My point being is 99% of what comes out of your mouth is negative to people to belittle them. I do believe meso is the best community around. What exactly do you contribute to this community besides negativity? Do you have bully issues cause you were picked on as a kid? Since your a "awesome member" I would surely expect you to reply with as much respect until disrespected to show your "awesome member" status. I surely can't believe this is how meso wants its image to appear. I personally have no problem with you and do like a lot of your post, but I am not here to donate money and try to further the community to be disrespected by members who think that is their job. The worst part of it is you have people liking your comments that disrespect people helping enable you to think that's right. I surely know you wouldn't treat people off the internet like that would you? Now I know you will get defensive over this and come up with some "intelligent" smart ass comment about how stupid I am and blah blah blah. That's fine I'll be the bigger person over the Internet and ignore and deflect the further conflict.
I figured as much would be said about the tren not being another compound. Let's say theoretically we know the tren is tren, and my e-2 is in check and say even my prolactin. Is there anything else that people might be missing that tren or a 19-nor would cause symptoms that replicate e-2 gyno? Or could it be even with e-2 in normal check for that specific person the tren makes the e-2 almost like more sensitive even though e-2 not being elevated? Sorry I do not know if this is worded correctly for you to understand what I am trying to say. This is a question, this is not me trying to say this is a prolactin issue.
It is not worded correctly - it is another stupid fucking question on top of a stupid fucking question. You will be the bigger person- after you run your whiny little cunt tirade that is, right?
You are correct- I am not a doctor. You are also correct I read many articles and studies to come by the knowledge I am repeating. What irritates me is that you are too fucking lazy (and probably stupid) to do the same thing. Where I came about the knowledge is of little consequence. Is it right? The doctor seems to think so. And yes, this is how I speak to people in real life so how about you go fuck yourself and the image you feel meso should have propogated. I will donate my nuts in your fucking mouth, sound good?
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T-Diddy
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Alright, Tren its going to be boys. Plain simple cycle...
Now, wondering how long I should run this cycle for? Been reading 8 weeks is a long run, others being 10. Thoughts/input would be appreciated.
- Tren-A @ 100mg/EOD
- Test-E @ 100-150mg/WK
- Garlic
- CoQ10
- Omega-3 (High EPA/DHA concentration)
- Liver & Organ Defender (5% Nutrition)
Now, wondering how long I should run this cycle for? Been reading 8 weeks is a long run, others being 10. Thoughts/input would be appreciated.
w_llewellyn
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This is what I wrote in ANABOLICS. I have not been associating elevated prolactin in AAS users with 19-nor based-AAS or AAS with progestational activity. I personally think some of the confusion here comes from the simple similarity between the words progestin and prolactin.
"High prolactin levels (as would be associated with the need for cabergoline) are sometimes documented in steroid-using athletes. We do know that estrogen plays a stimulatory role here, and likely is the key to increasing prolactin secretion in males.658 659 660 Other studies, however, show suppressive actions toward prolactin from other hormones including androgens.661 This is perhaps why an actual hormonal imbalance, and not necessarily high estrogen, may be the cause of lactating gynecomastia. Scanning the medical books, there are few studies even looking at prolactin levels and steroid use, and those few are relatively inconclusive. One study analyzed the effects of testosterone enanthate and propionate in men and noted a significant prolactin increase 4 days after injection.662 Yet another noted a 7-fold increase in estrogen (to values typical for women) in 5 power athletes self-administering testosterone and other steroids, yet no consistent effect on prolactin secretion.663 A third self-administration study with athletes,664 and a fourth clinical with nandrolone,665 failed to show an increase in prolactin levels."
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