MESO-Rx Exclusive Trenbolone facts - series on unique characteristics of different steroids

[gbochatt]

Looking forward to it! Yeah I thought Taeian Clark was either a very intelligent autist or an idiot at first but the more I read from him it's definitely the second of the two

I will say I tried deca/dbol myself to see and it will throw on strength and size quickly and joints feel great plus not having to worry about AI or hair loss makes it idiot proof. But I do worry about living on it for life like some people on his FB group. I'm not sure how good long term deca is for your heart or dbol for your liver

Haha that’s exactly what my thought process was! He definitely is willing to experiment which I respect but he cannot take any kind of criticism, and seems to lean too heavily on studies that support his claims rather than the totality of the evidence.

I don’t plan to transition fully to a deca base unless it’s just that much better than test. I already just run TRT with anabolics to begin with, test isn’t anything more than a base to me.

 

[Ateam2023]

I am thinking about starting a cycle log thread but am not confident posting pics yet

Reading the tren recomping stories drives me insane because it seems so much more effective than taking testosterone for recomping. I have also been rethinking whether or not “test is best” is even true. It seems like what people do is get massive off nandrolone or trenbolone and then once they have enough muscle they settle down to just taking TRT and telling everyone testosterone is all you need to get big, everything else is toxic.

Tren Train ,,

 

[rexy]

I have also been rethinking whether or not “test is best” is even true. It seems like what people do is get massive off nandrolone or trenbolone and then once they have enough muscle they settle down to just taking TRT and telling everyone testosterone is all you need to get big, everything else is toxic.

That is also the consensus I've come to. Whilst the big guys usually also did moderate-to-high amounts of testosterone along the way (like John Jewett for example), anyone with decent size and who looks truly impressive almost always has a considerable period where they used decent amounts of Tren/Nand at somepoint if you dig into their background.

There are always exceptions of course - but I think the reality is that even in those cases where the genetically blessed could do it on a teaspoon of Test, they would still do better on these combos if it can be tolerated. Get in with the harsh compounds early to build, then get out and rely on the 'safer' ones to slowly refine at a weight-cap/where you're happy with your look.

I find people tend to promote the Test only or Test/DHT combo in the following sort of situations:

1) Risk reduction to other people - not a bad thing of course, just highlighting what people recommend years in is often aligned with their own biased experience and where they are at currently rather than how they got there.

2) They are highly advanced but can no longer tolerate nand/tren and have no choice.

3) Succeed with Test/DHT combinations in spite of them - not because they are 'better'.

4) The fact that it's mostly those who've 'made' it giving that advice. They are usually highly advanced already and refining a physique at a weight cap with no need/ability to grow much now. Usually they then start giving advice they didn’t actually take themselves and not representative of how they actually grew to that size. They may think after the fact that they would have done it differently and 'regret' using Tren etc if they ended up having an issue with it, but they can't know for sure if they'd ever have been able to attain the same mass without. They can only speculate on that, and the reality is - just to make things even muddier - usually you don't hear from the people that didn't or don't have issues with Nand/Tren. So that skews it further.

 

[gbochatt]

That is also the consensus I've come to. Whilst the big guys usually also did moderate-to-high amounts of testosterone along the way (like John Jewett for example), anyone with decent size and who looks truly impressive almost always has a considerable period where they used decent amounts of Tren/Nand at somepoint if you dig into their background.

There are always exceptions of course - but I think the reality is that even in those cases where the genetically blessed could do it on a teaspoon of Test, they would still do better on these combos if it can be tolerated. Get in with the harsh compounds early to build, then get out and rely on the 'safer' ones to slowly refine at a weight-cap/where you're happy with your look.

I find people tend to promote the Test only or Test/DHT combo in the following sort of situations:

1) Risk reduction to other people - not a bad thing of course, just highlighting what people recommend years in is often aligned with their own biased experience and where they are at currently rather than how they got there.

2) They are highly advanced but can no longer tolerate nand/tren and have no choice.

3) Succeed with Test/DHT combinations in spite of them - not because they are 'better'.

4) The fact that it's mostly those who've 'made' it giving that advice. They are usually highly advanced already and refining a physique at a weight cap with no need/ability to grow much now. Usually they then start giving advice they didn’t actually take themselves and not representative of how they actually grew to that size. They may think after the fact that they would have done it differently and 'regret' using Tren etc if they ended up having an issue with it, but they can't know for sure if they'd ever have been able to attain the same mass without. They can only speculate on that, and the reality is - just to make things even muddier - usually you don't hear from the people that didn't or don't have issues with Nand/Tren. So that skews it further.

This is where I’m at and is the reason I plan to do a deca base for my offseason, possibly with tren e as well. I tolerate both very well now and have a lot of weight to gain to fill out my frame for open bodybuilding. Realistically I think at my height I need to be 250+ on stage to get a pro card and 270+ to be a good pro. Currently I’m 205ish on stage but just started on the sauce in July. From my perspective there isn’t any real way to do that in a timely manner without pushing the gas.

 

[TheScholarOfBrew]

Tren mentioned. Rep

 

[turbota]

This is where I’m at and is the reason I plan to do a deca base for my offseason, possibly with tren e as well. I tolerate both very well now and have a lot of weight to gain to fill out my frame for open bodybuilding. Realistically I think at my height I need to be 250+ on stage to get a pro card and 270+ to be a good pro. Currently I’m 205ish on stage but just started on the sauce in July. From my perspective there isn’t any real way to do that in a timely manner without pushing the gas.

 

[TomGlass]

Tren Train ,, View attachment 319213

#TrenBoySummer

 

[allBlack]

Anyone experienced extremely bad lipids on Tren.

I was running a 500mg test and 200mg tren cycle. After 6 weeks decided to check whats happening.

Do note this is on a slight recomp with calories 250 below maintenance.

I'm 5.9 about 210lbs with a bf of about 15%

 

[AlwaysHungry]

That is also the consensus I've come to. Whilst the big guys usually also did moderate-to-high amounts of testosterone along the way (like John Jewett for example), anyone with decent size and who looks truly impressive almost always has a considerable period where they used decent amounts of Tren/Nand at somepoint if you dig into their background.

There are always exceptions of course - but I think the reality is that even in those cases where the genetically blessed could do it on a teaspoon of Test, they would still do better on these combos if it can be tolerated. Get in with the harsh compounds early to build, then get out and rely on the 'safer' ones to slowly refine at a weight-cap/where you're happy with your look.

I find people tend to promote the Test only or Test/DHT combo in the following sort of situations:

1) Risk reduction to other people - not a bad thing of course, just highlighting what people recommend years in is often aligned with their own biased experience and where they are at currently rather than how they got there.

2) They are highly advanced but can no longer tolerate nand/tren and have no choice.

3) Succeed with Test/DHT combinations in spite of them - not because they are 'better'.

4) The fact that it's mostly those who've 'made' it giving that advice. They are usually highly advanced already and refining a physique at a weight cap with no need/ability to grow much now. Usually they then start giving advice they didn’t actually take themselves and not representative of how they actually grew to that size. They may think after the fact that they would have done it differently and 'regret' using Tren etc if they ended up having an issue with it, but they can't know for sure if they'd ever have been able to attain the same mass without. They can only speculate on that, and the reality is - just to make things even muddier - usually you don't hear from the people that didn't or don't have issues with Nand/Tren. So that skews it further.

Realistically I built most of my size on trenbolone 1st and second nandrolone I would keep my dosages moderate on testosterone. I’m one of the guys that usually recommends test only test/dht/GH cycles.
But as you said I can’t handle those no more nowadays I very much appreciate my physical and my mental health whereas on past my number 1 goal was the look of my body.
If I had to do it all over again I would built it with test + drol. Reality is you can build a very good frame BUT if you want to step on stage of course and you’re willing to take the side effects tren and deca are kind of a necessary evil.
Most my guys are amateurs that means that they don’t wanna go for a pro card but they’re competing and I’ll tell you they do more than excellent on fat dosages of testosterone + low dht + oral + GH
Of course when it’s time to step on stage trenbolone comes in because they want it to and it’s “necessary”
But most guys who tell to do fat dosages of testosterone without much else anabolics it means that we’ve been there we’ve done our fair share of “dangerous” combinations and in most cases it isn’t worth the toll that it takes on your overall health and we know that is completely possible to gain whatever amount you have to gain from testosterone gh good diet good training. Guys who wanna grow on deca tren they’re either in a hurry or they’re probably new and have this idea that is all “male hormones” like test. That isn’t true the reality is that these hormones are advanced hormones but every guy in the gym uses them because they don’t know better at this point or because they want to have their share of fun and grow fast with a nice look I don’t blame them I have been there and done that. But if I was doing it all from the start ?? It would be testosterone and GH and very hard training and LOTS of protein.

This is where I’m at and is the reason I plan to do a deca base for my offseason, possibly with tren e as well. I tolerate both very well now and have a lot of weight to gain to fill out my frame for open bodybuilding. Realistically I think at my height I need to be 250+ on stage to get a pro card and 270+ to be a good pro. Currently I’m 205ish on stage but just started on the sauce in July. From my perspective there isn’t any real way to do that in a timely manner without pushing the gas.

What height you are ?? I’m 6’4 and one of my best offseason was on 1.6g nandrolone plus GH im sure if I’d have more nandrolone and an oral would be my best cycle overall, I would leave tren to use it in an androgen phase rather than offseason you can transition from deca to tren and androgens and still grow more than deca while you lean out. You need an “easy” offseason simple not to take much toll on your health to grow properly. If you’re set on deca I would recommend you very high deca dosage if you can handle it GH + Insulin and a DHT base compound in low dosage

 

[rexy]

Realistically I built most of my size on trenbolone 1st and second nandrolone I would keep my dosages moderate on testosterone. I’m one of the guys that usually recommends test only test/dht/GH cycles.
But as you said I can’t handle those no more nowadays I very much appreciate my physical and my mental health whereas on past my number 1 goal was the look of my body.
If I had to do it all over again I would built it with test + drol. Reality is you can build a very good frame BUT if you want to step on stage of course and you’re willing to take the side effects tren and deca are kind of a necessary evil.
Most my guys are amateurs that means that they don’t wanna go for a pro card but they’re competing and I’ll tell you they do more than excellent on fat dosages of testosterone + low dht + oral + GH
Of course when it’s time to step on stage trenbolone comes in because they want it to and it’s “necessary”
But most guys who tell to do fat dosages of testosterone without much else anabolics it means that we’ve been there we’ve done our fair share of “dangerous” combinations and in most cases it isn’t worth the toll that it takes on your overall health and we know that is completely possible to gain whatever amount you have to gain from testosterone gh good diet good training. Guys who wanna grow on deca tren they’re either in a hurry or they’re probably new and have this idea that is all “male hormones” like test. That isn’t true the reality is that these hormones are advanced hormones but every guy in the gym uses them because they don’t know better at this point or because they want to have their share of fun and grow fast with a nice look I don’t blame them I have been there and done that. But if I was doing it all from the start ?? It would be testosterone and GH and very hard training and LOTS of protein.

What height you are ?? I’m 6’4 and one of my best offseason was on 1.6g nandrolone plus GH im sure if I’d have more nandrolone and an oral would be my best cycle overall, I would leave tren to use it in an androgen phase rather than offseason you can transition from deca to tren and androgens and still grow more than deca while you lean out. You need an “easy” offseason simple not to take much toll on your health to grow properly. If you’re set on deca I would recommend you very high deca dosage if you can handle it GH + Insulin and a DHT base compound in low dosage

Great post and thanks for sharing your experiences!

 

[Nidus]

Is it just me or is Tren just overhyped and glorified too much or am i the only one thinking that?

Tried everything from 25-50-100-150-200mg a Week, different duration and tried A, E and Hex.

Every time it makes me feel like shit mentally, puts me on the edge of being depressed, no drive. Training is fun but mentally tren really hits you hard, lack of sleep and the stress it puts on your body.

I feel like sticking to he basics such as test, primo, perhaps deca, anavar, gh and a glp1 is just the best you can do.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Is it just me or is Tren just overhyped and glorified too much or am i the only one thinking that?

Tried everything from 25-50-100-150-200mg a Week, different duration and tried A, E and Hex.

Every time it makes me feel like shit mentally, puts me on the edge of being depressed, no drive. Training is fun but mentally tren really hits you hard, lack of sleep and the stress it puts on your body.

I feel like sticking to he basics such as test, primo, perhaps deca, anavar, gh and a glp1 is just the best you can do.

Overhyped ? No maybe overused yes , you may take enough to feel the bad sides but not enough to reap the full benefits and maybe you’re sensitive to it

 

[xrayphoton13]

Realistically I built most of my size on trenbolone 1st and second nandrolone I would keep my dosages moderate on testosterone. I’m one of the guys that usually recommends test only test/dht/GH cycles.
But as you said I can’t handle those no more nowadays I very much appreciate my physical and my mental health whereas on past my number 1 goal was the look of my body.
If I had to do it all over again I would built it with test + drol. Reality is you can build a very good frame BUT if you want to step on stage of course and you’re willing to take the side effects tren and deca are kind of a necessary evil.
Most my guys are amateurs that means that they don’t wanna go for a pro card but they’re competing and I’ll tell you they do more than excellent on fat dosages of testosterone + low dht + oral + GH
Of course when it’s time to step on stage trenbolone comes in because they want it to and it’s “necessary”
But most guys who tell to do fat dosages of testosterone without much else anabolics it means that we’ve been there we’ve done our fair share of “dangerous” combinations and in most cases it isn’t worth the toll that it takes on your overall health and we know that is completely possible to gain whatever amount you have to gain from testosterone gh good diet good training. Guys who wanna grow on deca tren they’re either in a hurry or they’re probably new and have this idea that is all “male hormones” like test. That isn’t true the reality is that these hormones are advanced hormones but every guy in the gym uses them because they don’t know better at this point or because they want to have their share of fun and grow fast with a nice look I don’t blame them I have been there and done that. But if I was doing it all from the start ?? It would be testosterone and GH and very hard training and LOTS of protein.

What height you are ?? I’m 6’4 and one of my best offseason was on 1.6g nandrolone plus GH im sure if I’d have more nandrolone and an oral would be my best cycle overall, I would leave tren to use it in an androgen phase rather than offseason you can transition from deca to tren and androgens and still grow more than deca while you lean out. You need an “easy” offseason simple not to take much toll on your health to grow properly. If you’re set on deca I would recommend you very high deca dosage if you can handle it GH + Insulin and a DHT base compound in low dosage

Do you mind giving me an example of a deca off season cycle for you? You mentioned deca plus a dht. So let's say 1.6g deca plus 600mg primo or masteron? Any test at all? I wonder how this would do with say 1.6g deca plus 1g Eq instead of a dht.

What do you think about deca plus dbol, no testosterone? Another old school design. Ex: 1.2-2g deca, 25-50mg dbol, GH, maybe var or drol preworkout? I've done something similar and I don't really want to do it again because i seriously felt like my IQ dropped and I was slow to think of words when taking to people. Kinda scary. Plus just being lazy outside of the gym. Sure did grow though.
I do think in the future I will prefer your test+drol+GH design.
Thanks for the insightful post.

 

[malfeasance]

Anyone experienced extremely bad lipids on Tren.

I was running a 500mg test and 200mg tren cycle. After 6 weeks decided to check whats happening.

Do note this is on a slight recomp with calories 250 below maintenance.

I'm 5.9 about 210lbs with a bf of about 15%

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I have to ask what did you expect?

We do not take trenbolone to get our lipids back in range. I would totally expect this result.

 

[AlwaysHungry]

Do you mind giving me an example of a deca off season cycle for you? You mentioned deca plus a dht. So let's say 1.6g deca plus 600mg primo or masteron? Any test at all? I wonder how this would do with say 1.6g deca plus 1g Eq instead of a dht.

What do you think about deca plus dbol, no testosterone? Another old school design. Ex: 1.2-2g deca, 25-50mg dbol, GH, maybe var or drol preworkout? I've done something similar and I don't really want to do it again because i seriously felt like my IQ dropped and I was slow to think of words when taking to people. Kinda scary. Plus just being lazy outside of the gym. Sure did grow though.
I do think in the future I will prefer your test+drol+GH design.
Thanks for the insightful post.

I would be comfortable with deca 1.6g-2g plus a little masteron better than primo we know primo reduces estrogen in a lot of users so you don’t want to basically end with low estrogen so I think masteron would be better for some androgenicity. For the same reason as primo I would avoid EQ. I would also say no to testosterone cause at least for me it brings the bad side effects with deca.
For dbol I really don’t know I never responded good to dbol but if we assume deca produces some estrogen then dbol can make them go out of hand , maybe low dosage and maybe eod would be the best for you. I would certainly add drol cause I respond the best and gonna bring huge size gains along with the deca real diameter gains.
If you wanna do deca based I would max out the anabolics with something like 1.6g-2g deca plus sprinkle of masteron 400-600mg and the drol 100-150mg per day and then look into other pathways like GH insulin , max the protein intake deca really uses all they protein you give , for my body on the deca I would respond best to high protein low to med carbs , med to high fats.
You gonna grow much with a cycle like this better continue with tren after this to try to maintain on a lower dosage and then proceed to testosterone. Yeah I was slow also towards the end of the nandrolone cycle cause the last weeks I used the whole vial per week cause I wanted to end soon.
Do this grow phase then proceed and do cycle like these high test gh drol is my bread and butter I feel the best if I control the estrogen and the rbc bp and on the plus side you can go all pharmacy grade if you want with those my second best growth cycle was 1.6g testosterone 25mg MK677 150mg drol and I was feeling very good the whole time libido and function good cognitive good but heavy AF and not certainly bigger than the nandrolone cycle.