TRT or self experimentation?

[Astartes]

I'm trying to determine if it is worth it to go TRT with a doctor, go UGL or some combination of the two.

It's not just the money thing but because I seem to be pretty good at finding out what works for myself as I have lots of experience with all kinds of drugs and dosages and I'm not really a fan of doctors tbh LOL.

I'm completely new to hormones...so there's that. On one hand I could sorta get a nice try before you buy experience and get some cheap test UGL and some exemestane to back me up and I could experiment with different doses and even see what a much higher dose would be like. I could get blood tests done on my own or have a GP or maybe another TRT clinic analyze what is going on.

If I were to go with TRT, I'm thinking about a TRT clinic online. Let's say I could get it down to $100-200/mo. vs UGL. I know that is still more expensive but I would be getting the pharma grade as well as some professional help. Maybe less risk, more consistency? Maybe something easier to explain to someone if I had to. Or to go travel somewhere having a prescription might be nice.

It would partly be to treat depression and for my well being as well. But I know that I would like to use it for the gym in the long run as long as I was in a good place mentally and physically.

Then there is also a possibility that I could keep the TRT and up the dose of test or throw in some Anavar or something further down the road. But then they probably would see my test levels are too high and everything is out of wack. Not sure if they would keep me on the program if I admitted to taking extra test or something else in addition. I'm sure they have to stick to the guidelines or at least not let it turn into a legalized contest prep service.

I'm leaning towards UGL but I'm not really sure if I will even go through with either yet as it is all still seems pretty crazy. But I am getting closer and closer every day to making the decision. I would like to "try it", but it seems like something that is uniquely hard to just try because the results seem to be so unpredictable from case to case. I could get massive gyno or my production could shut off completely. I'm not really planning to have kids but I'm not really down with being infertile either. Small balls? Taking Exemestane, HCG or test for the rest of my life? My levels were always around 330-520 ng/dl but besides the meaningless (IMO) number, everything about my life situation and symptoms seem to make me a prime candidate for this treatment.

If no experience with PEDs, get a family practitioner who understands male HRT. Then research. Then brew your own. $1k will supply you for 5 years on TRT and that includes setup and equipment. Doctors are generally worthless and expensive for simple TRT

 

[JackHoffman]

I've never been a fan of doctors. I think they are necessary for surgeries, emergencies and prescribing drugs etc. Important stuff. But the most basic stuff like nutrition they aren't really too helpful. I feel like I got more out of a personal trainer for nutrition diet information than I did in school or from any doctor or website for that matter. Even psychiatrists. It's like they talk about drugs all day but have no experience taking drugs. What we really need is a shaman.

 

[JackHoffman]

You can do your own huh? I'll take a look at it.

 

[Astartes]

You can do your own huh? I'll take a look at it.

Home brew forum here

 

[JackHoffman]

I think some of your posts make it seem like health, and longevity.

Then you have bits of performance enhancing like anavar, high dose test.

Then I see this that shows you have very little understanding what is going on in the gym, diet, and training

You really seem to be all over the place and it does seem you are looking for an excuse to do drugs.

Starting PEDs and mentioning higher than normal physiological doses without getting the basics done.

I'm just trying to be real where with this is all heading.

Not sure what you are even really trying to say. You should proof read your posts before posting and see how much meandering is going on in your sentences.

I'm not looking for an excuse to do drugs. I am mostly interested in TRT. I struggle with depression and the gym has helped my depression and TRT could probably help both of those aspects of my life. I wouldn't want to jump into using steroids right away. I would want to find a good level of testosterone and see how that goes first in life and in the gym.

I have a pretty good understanding of training, diet and all that stuff to be honest. Better than most people. But I'm actually thinking I want to give it some time. I'm just getting back into my routine and I'm going to start taking my meal prep and calorie counting more seriously and see how it goes. No more cheap meals.

Honestly, I'm not even ready to jump into any of this. That is why I'm spending time on these forums. I could already buy it or get it. It isn't hard to do at all. I'm just not getting much results so I'm trying to see if I'm making a good decision or not. If I can get some kind of progress with my diet and training the next few months then I will wait and ride that out. Maybe never get on test at all.

It just seems like I have to do some ketogenic ridiculous lifestyle just to look like an above average gym goer. I've already done fasting and all kinds of shit. I can get stronger and gain weight but mostly the fat never leaves. Do you think there is something else I should try like Metformin or Ozempic or something like that since that is really my main problem just getting lower in fat %.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Not sure what you are even really trying to say. You should proof read your posts before posting and see how much meandering is going on in your sentences.

Since you are going to start with a response like this.

I am trying to say it appears you really don't know how to do jack shit, in the gym or in the kitchen.

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[Astartes]

OP. Since you mentioned depression. I cannot recall if you mentioned your age, but many men experience a significant uptick in state of well being on upper TRT dosages. (Not TRT+) Particularly if their Test levels are clinically low. It is reasonable to hope for improvement unless manic or BiPolar etc etc.

 

[JackHoffman]

Since you are going to start with a response like this.

I am trying to say it appears you really don't know how to do jack shit, in the gym or in the kitchen.

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right where's your evidence of me not knowing jack shit. lol. i dont know shit about steroids you jack ass.