Politicians are pathological liars full stop and Trump made that clear. I personally don't think that Trump will win the nomination as the Republicans fear him as he will pretty much destroy the political system as it is.
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VaginaShark
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It also says that this is the first quarter that he accepted large amounts of donations and he still doesn't solicit for them. 70% of those it says were in chunks less than $200 which means they were most likely from regular people. Trump even says he accepts donations because it helps people feel more involved with his campaign. A line of b.s. maybe but he's still not accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars from corporations like candidates like Clinton are.
I never said it made him the perfect candidate because it's far from that. At the end of the day all these wealthy assholes are gonna do what's best for them and shit on the little guy. It's always been that way. But out of all the candidates I think he's the most straight forward and he'd probably try and be the best president in recent history just to prove that he was right.
As far as Obama, I guess you haven't gotten fined for not buying mandatory govt. health care so far?
I'm young and I take care of myself so if I'm not lucky enough to have health care through my employer, I shouldn't be fined for choosing not to buy it. That's just straight bullshit.
And no disrespect Brutus I actually like you and I know you're one of the big dogs around here. This is just my personal opinion and I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on it.
VaginaShark
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I think jay's got the right idea.
If I wanted to discuss politics with strangers I'd go to the local dive bar and socialize with the alcoholics
Donald Trump issued a remarkably blunt denunciation of the Iraq War during the debate
Donald Trump issued a remarkably blunt denunciation of the Iraq War during the debate
"We've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems — our airports and all the other problems we have — we would have been a lot better off, I can tell you that right now.
We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart!"
Donald Trump issued a remarkably blunt denunciation of the Iraq War during the debate
"We've spent $4 trillion trying to topple various people that, frankly, if they were there and if we could have spent that $4 trillion in the United States to fix our roads, our bridges, and all of the other problems — our airports and all the other problems we have — we would have been a lot better off, I can tell you that right now.
We have done a tremendous disservice not only to the Middle East — we've done a tremendous disservice to humanity. The people that have been killed, the people that have been wiped away — and for what? It's not like we had victory. It's a mess. The Middle East is totally destabilized, a total and complete mess. I wish we had the 4 trillion dollars or 5 trillion dollars. I wish it were spent right here in the United States on schools, hospitals, roads, airports, and everything else that are all falling apart!"
tenpoundsleft
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Thus Trump's appeal - as well as Cruz and Paul - all 3 more or less outcasts among the GOP who'd prefer another Bush, or a choir boy like Rubio.
There's a lot to like about the guy. Not his hair though.
Str8Shooter
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Exactly. Everyone else is "sponsored" by industries and corporations, so they're controlled by profit and their sponsor's agenda. Trump is already rich, and can't be bought.
I can slightly understand how people could misinterperet his view on controlling the borders and people coming in to the country illegally, as "racist"... I can "understand", but I understand, it's not racist. It's a far more complicated issue than people understand, so it's easy to think he is targeting races, but it doesn't matter what color the people are that are coming in illegally and eating up our hard earned tax money, it just happens to be primarily non white people. If hundreds of thousands of illegal, unemployed white people were flooding in to our country, that shit wouldn't fly either.
Str8Shooter
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Str8Shooter
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Not to diminish all the good points you made, but...
CIA/Special Forces would have got Bin Laden regardless of who the President was. He didn't do SHIT but sit an office and take credit, just like any other President would.
Str8Shooter
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Yeah man, their oils are gtg, I'll cosign on that shit... No bloods yet though
Str8Shooter
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Iranian oil is going to be a game changer.Yeah man, their oils are gtg, I'll cosign on that shit... No bloods yet though
Trump is sponsored by his own industries and corporations. He is no different.
tenpoundsleft
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Doc, not to be overly argumentative - but you seriously don't see any difference btw Trump and the rest of the contenders, esp. the career politicians? What, because they all wear a suit they're the same?
About "sponsored by his own industries and corporations" - that's factually wrong since companies can't give that much. Also, simplistic, you might as well say we're all "sponsored" by the Treasury since the money is all green...
Anyway, pointless to talk reason with anyone who likes Hillary/Sanders.
Str8Shooter
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I hear you man. I'm open minded. I really don't have any business being in a political discussion. I know I like the way he talks, and "keeps it real"... It can be argued all day, but in the end, one thing I can say -for sure-, is I don't like being fed politically correct bullshit. WHOEVER runs our nation, not to sound undereducated, needs to stop being a pussy. Period. People are too easily offended, and we need some "real", probably never going to happen.
Bottom line is, My family has a roof over their head and food in their stomach, I'm good with that regardless of political never ending nonsense.
Of course there's a difference. politicians bend to the will of their donors as it's legal bribery; only in this case Trump will bend to help to his own companies.
Where do you think the personal money he invested in the campaign came from? I don't think he won the lottery.
If this is NOT directed towards me then ignore the rest.
If it is directed at me then you're a fool. Please quote me where I have endorsed Hillary and you can take all the time you need to find such a quote.
Why would you be a fool if that was directed at me? I have yet to vote in any political election whether it be at the town/local, state, or federal level. What's pointless is to talk reason about politics period but especially with people who want to ASSume someone is for the opposing party just bc they made a comment about one party.
I hear you man. I'm open minded. I really don't have any business being in a political discussion. I know I like the way he talks, and "keeps it real"... It can be argued all day, but in the end, one thing I can say -for sure-, is I don't like being fed politically correct bullshit. WHOEVER runs our nation, not to sound undereducated, needs to stop being a pussy. Period. People are too easily offended, and we need some "real", probably never going to happen.
Bottom line is, My family has a roof over their head and food in their stomach, I'm good with that regardless of political never ending nonsense.
And that's perfectly reasonable. You like what you like and I'm not trying to change that. I'm only pointing out that he really isn't much different as politics will corrupt anybody. I think the most helpful thing that can be done for this country is to remove money out of politics. Completely. Make it so there's no legal bribery
That's simply not true. Obama authorized the engagement without notifying the Pakistanis (which is a slap in the face). If Obama hadn't kept Pakistan in the dark, it is possible that bin laden would have been tipped off by Pakistanis and he would have evaded us again. Obama made a serious judgement call, one that makes or breaks relationships with foreign countries. Pakistan hates us even more now because they were left in the dark (who gives a fuck we got bin laden). We assassinated an HVT in fucking Pakistan and they had no fucking clue. Obama could have refused to authorize the engagement, he did have that power, and the intelligence provided didn't confirm that we knew for a FACT that bin laden was even there, we never laid eyes on the bastard and we could not confirm it was him.
Obama acted on limited intelligence and authorized the engagement on that compound in Pakistan. Furthermore, he didn't ask for Pakistan's permission or assistance, he didn't even give them forewarning. Bin laden very well may have not been there at all and imagine what a disaster that would have been. He made the call to keep Pakistan in the dark, he made the call to engage that compound with limited intelligence, so he does deserve credit because ultimately it was his call that authorized the engagement. The JTF, responsible for executing operation Neptune Spear, deserves most of the credit, of course, but they didn't have the power to act without authorization and they could only obtain so much intelligence in this situation, to ensure that bin laden wouldn't have vanished again. It was an extremely time sensitive situation where we didn't have solid intel, but had we not engaged, it is very likely that bin laden may have escaped.
I have been very critical of many of Obama's decisions but my criticisms
That was an argumentative post- don't put lipstick on it. Obviously there is a different source of campaign revenue (for some of trumps... albeit a small part) but as far as allegiance goes let me break it down since you seem to be a bit naive or slow to grasp what is being said.
Your average president gets elected and owes numerous campaign contributors favors from their support in the last election and for their continued support in future elections. Those favors generally are repaid by making policies (or not making policies) that further the financial interests of the contributor.
Trump (supposedly when you are a gop fan boy such as yourself) doesn't collect campaign contributions. (He does). "Since he is individually wealthy prior to the campaign he won't be influenced by money in his decision making" would be the ridiculous line of reasoning you seem to be using. HE FILLS THE ROLE THE CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS FILL IN THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLE. no politician to give money to- he is the business owning politician who Will pass policies (or not) based on what furthers him business wise. It will be a bastardized, perverted version of the corrupt system already in place.
