Deepwater your labs were also never dismissed by me. Did you EVER come to me via email , PM, or anything regarding this matter??? We both know the answer to that one.
I stuck MY neck out by even coming up with testing pharma vs. tsl. It was my idea from the beginning, even paid for it as well. You agreed but you did not do the tests in a controlled state which you should have. Do I feel the pharma numbers would have been a bit higher regardless, sure, it's possible, but the tests were thrown out of the window because they are not conclusive because you did not keep the state controlled. I do not see why people do not understand the aspect of that.
This is why this forum will never keep a decent supp here. No matter how fast he responds to 85% of people's gmail acccounts here, the products he produces, there will always be guys who ridicule and push the supp simply into leaving. How many times did bloods come back from tsl which were equivalent to or higher than pharma, oh that's right, MULTIPLE times. Those were discarded though, and the one bad one makes the supp a liar, bunk, etc. at the end of the day however, the famous words of many here, "this is not a source forum" and boy do I see why......
I saw a negative review on SD the other day and it was so insane to me I did not even address it. A guy said it was bunk because he did not get the results he had read about online prior to using it.... mind you, he had never ran it before in his life, so he tried it, it did not make him into an ifbb pro in 6 weeks so sadly, it must be faked, bunk, hang the supp in the street and stone him... The entire total testosterone thing is another huge indication from most of how things will always be here.
It's just to the point of like I said earlier risk outweighing reward, and I'm to a point of being tired of always defending myself. I have clients all over the country that are competing at extremely high levels, but I'm being called a phony by someone because they went from 165 lbs to 174 lbs on their first cycle and their total test was 2500 instead of 3500, so forth so on. I have a very great job and I'm just to the point of throwing in the towel. This lifestyle isn't for me anymore.
I do wish everyone the best of luck though in their future endeavors, no hard feelings from me for anyone here. Good luck to all, I cannot say it's been a pleasure because it surely has not, but nonetheless, I'm signing off! Peace out guys.