G2Ready
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Yeah, I'll blast another---- didn't want to fill his box up if y'all was having same issues
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Padawan
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carrier is highly purified safflower , not store bought.
not sunflower lol
not sunflower lol
legendary
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Ok so nothing else growing out of my ass. Whew!
Very true here. There are so many variations in labmax AND roidtest kits, the room for human error is tremendous. Two to three drops, looking and comparing colors, ALSO.... Taking a picture with a camera phone and posting on a website its completely different than seeing it in person. The timing of once you place the PROPER amount of "drops" into the test vial, until the time you take the picture, all of these vary greatly on the outcome. If you use too much, the test is void. If you use too little, the test is void, if you do not follow the timed instructions, the test is void.
Ill give you a prime example. My partner tests our products via labmax. He tested the primobolan enanthate not 3 weeks ago. He sent me pictures and I told him go put the date and TSL on a piece of paper and send me a picture. The 3 minutes it took him to write date and TSL on a piece of paper and take the picture, the color had changed completely. Time elapses quickly on many of these, as Im sure the tests state. I have never personally owned a ROIDtest kit, and not saying they are false, but there are simply so many variables that can throw or hinder a test.
Now, we can speak of the NPP. People bash Labmax because it only detects an "ester" but roidtest is practically the same colormetric testing kit, based on the same foundation of testing in a solution and basing the outcome on colors, yet they detect the difference of esters completely. Nandrolone Decanoate and Nandrolone phenylpropionate are very closely related by structure, just a different ester attached.
I do agree though, in the picture above it does appear to be nandrolone decanoate based off the colors in the picture. I will be running a labmax on one as soon as I get the chance today, posting pictures and UV lighting, as well as placing the correct amount in each test vial. I know labmax for nandrolones says to use a VERY small amount to test, small amount meaning one or two drops, maximum. The initial coloration changes determine the testing as well on the NPP, so within 15 to 20 seconds of testing the outcome should be presented. I know people do not like labmax, but not long ago everyone praised it, and now there is a "newer" more flashy testing kit on the scene, but both are based off many of the same principles and testing factors. Color. My color as to what I call olive green may be completely different than what John Doe sees it as, than on top of an INDIVIDUALS perceived perception of what a color is, we let time elapse, take a picture with a phone, and post it. Now.... Im not saying in any way, shape or form these tests cannot be used or are super unreliable, but after we weigh out all of the factors here, it gives us a better grasp on it as a whole.
I can also say, there is absolutely NO WAY it is dosed incorrectly. Well, absolutely no way on earth it is dosed at 250mg/mL. NPP would not suspend properly at that dose, using the amounts of BA and BB that are used. Hell I do not think NPP would suspend at over 200mg/mL using only BB regardless. I can formulate a very small batch of the NPP at 250mg/mL and I would guarantee it would not suspend properly, leading me to believe and be inclined that it is indeed nandrolone phenylpropionate.
I will post the results of the labmax as soon as I can, and we can debate, and look into this further, without a doubt.
legendary
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Thanks.
So, as suspected....... Ran the test on NPP via labmax. Test yielded perfect results, from the color stated on the chart to the color produced. Approximately 2 drops in the test kit, and immediately as stated in the instructions, the color produced is what is in the picture attached. After approximately 2-3 minutes the color changed however, as stated in the instructions it would.
So..... I guess we are at a crossroads here. One colormetric test shows one thing, and the other colormetric test shows another. I will add though, the member using the Roidtest kit did state that was his first time ever using the kit. Not pointing fingers by any means, calling him a liar, cheat, or anything of that sort, but the Labmax test shows exactly what is stated to be, nandrolone phenylpropionate.
So..... I guess we are at a crossroads here. One colormetric test shows one thing, and the other colormetric test shows another. I will add though, the member using the Roidtest kit did state that was his first time ever using the kit. Not pointing fingers by any means, calling him a liar, cheat, or anything of that sort, but the Labmax test shows exactly what is stated to be, nandrolone phenylpropionate.
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TS561
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So a supplier runs a Labmax on his gear and everything is fine. Never would have seen that one coming.
I was waiting on someone with a extremely high level of intelligence to comment this. Im sure I sent out deca instead of NPP, to get over on a customer right??!! Not that they are the same price or anything......... It benefits me greatly to send out nandrolone decanoate VS. NPP. Sounds legit.......
TS561
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Do not ask me to believe your result. You are biased. Plain and simple conflict of interest. As far as scamming goes. Never even insinuated it. Mix up of some sort, maybe. Don't know, don't care. If you can not see why this test can not have any validity. Then maybe my intellect is the one that should be in question.
I could care less of your opinion whatsoever. You have caused nothing but conflict from day one in this thread. If anyone were biased here, it would be you, go look back at all of your derogatory posts........ There is no switch up of any sort, is it not possible. I see where you are coming from, a supplier posting a labmax result, but the results were not of his showing no hormone present, and mine showing the presence of hormone. If that were the case, and I was defending that, I would 100% be inclined to believe I "could" be biased. His test showed that the hormone was identified in a color chart that pointed towards nandrolone decaonate. The labmax test showed evidence of the hormone nandrolone phenlypropionate.
If you do not know, and do not care, why post if your intent is rational, and beneficial?That is what is in question.........
Roger rabbit
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I'd suggest @maniac911 use the roidtest like @thetsl did with same drops and everything.
Thetsl would you be willing to send maniac911 a roidtest kit for him ?
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Thetsl would you be willing to send maniac911 a roidtest kit for him ?
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Roger rabbit
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Sorry I read wrong, yes, would you be willing to send a lab max kit to him?
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That I have absolutely no clue of. I would anything would turn into a crystalline substance and fall out of suspension if cold enough, though I have never purposely tested it. I do know guys long ago who would put vials in the freezer long before any testing was available just to see if any hormone was present. They would after that have to warm the product back up though, not a practice I would do but to each their own.
TS561
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I could care less of your opinion whatsoever. You have caused nothing but conflict from day one in this thread. If anyone were biased here, it would be you, go look back at all of your derogatory posts........ There is no switch up of any sort, is it not possible. I see where you are coming from, a supplier posting a labmax result, but the results were not of his showing no hormone present, and mine showing the presence of hormone. If that were the case, and I was defending that, I would 100% be inclined to believe I "could" be biased. His test showed that the hormone was identified in a color chart that pointed towards nandrolone decaonate. The labmax test showed evidence of the hormone nandrolone phenlypropionate.
If you do not know, and do not care, why post if your intent is rational, and beneficial?That is what is in question.........
First, I said "mix up" not switch up. Second, from day one you have done nothing but delay, deflect, dismiss, and attempt subtle ridicule. The latter is why I choose to post. After all you would never call him a liar or incompetent, but by making those comments that is exactly what you did. I mean here we have your completely valid test to prove it. So to be clear. The only persons I am concerned about benefiting are the members here, not you. Last thing, how does testing gear in your possession have anything to do with the gear in his possession?
I'll do whatever it takes. That is my job. IT is always going to be a battle though with this colormetric testing, as people have stated above. Again, Im not discrediting it, and I feel it does have its place, but it also is a very touchy subject with literally countless factors that way sway a test either way.
Did not call him a liar, or incompetent. He posted test results that raised questions, and rightfully so. I posted test results substantiating my claim. That is all. Me saying it was the first time he had ever used the test, was fact. Him and I discussed that in private well before I made the post. I did not post the test in an attacking manner whatsoever. I merely posted the test to show differences in colormetric testing, and how many varying factors are associated. I spoke with him on several occasions before I ever even touched on the subject at all here, so me calling him a liar or incompetent is very far from the truth. What I stated were facts, that is all.
I agreed to send him out a labmax test, so he could see for himself the color variances of the two tests, and what labmax shows is a passing color for nandrolone phenylpropionate. The only person that is jumping to conclusions is low and behold, the same member who always does, you. The gear in my possession is not relevant to the gear in his possession in a sense, but I do know there is absolutely, positively, no humanly way possible anything could have been mixed or switched up, that is what Im stating. Ive addressed you all I need to though, have a good day sir.
I give you kudo's for trying to fix it TSL .
Testing anything besides testosterone (which you can bloodtest) is difficult at best sometimes . Color test is all you got except Simac or other expensive tests.
Roid test says you have Deca and Labmax says NPP . ??
I would treat it as both for now and do a every other day pin cycle .
1/2mil/day EOD to start ....
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legendary
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Thanks for the test. As yes it can be biased or it can be shown as u going out of your way because u took in consideration what a member said.
