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Due to arrival of Ngenla, Pfizer isnt producing Genotropin anymore. We are out of stock as of today. Soon we'll have Omnitrope instead. Probably this is the end of Genotropin but other somatropins are still available as usual.

Below is the link for Ngenla, Somatrogon,
Code:
https://www.turkishpharmacysteroids.net/pfizer-ngenla-180iu

****Guinea Pig note by Mr.TP, me:
I have been using Ngenla for a month now. Product is used weekly, me weekly doses were, 90 IU, 60 IU, 45IU, 45IU. Cant give much personal information but I am an experienced HGH user and bodybuilder. I used all batches of Cinnatropin to see if they work well(they all work well). Also used Genotropin, Hygetropin, Norditropin, Humatrope, Kigtropin, True Pharmacy HGH, Omnitrope etc.

I explained before why I started with 90 IU
Code:
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/turkish-pharmacy-steroids-net.134382209/page-297#post-3332245

In first week there was a quick weight gain like 2-3 kg, its probably water retention. When using 42 IU Genotropin per week my hand numbness was 3/10, with 90 IU somatrogon it jumped to 8/10, hard to tolerate, so I lowered the dose to 60 IU. İt was still numb, like 6/10 so I went down to 45 IU per week. Now numbness is 3/10 again, tolerable.

I will not glorify Somatrogon, its just long acting HGH, which is easier to use for kids. Its the future of HGH. Saves many unnecessary injections. Also costs less. Its a win win drug.

I'll provide bloodwork but the issue is that they show the results like: "free hgh: 99+" so when the total HGH is above a level, lab just shows "high" and doesnt give any more information. Will try another lab next time.

HGH is a slow working compound so there is no information about the results, right now 45 IU per week is enough so cant get higher anyway. And a pen is 180 IU so lasts 4 weeks.

Not sure if IU is used for somatrogon but it doesnt matter.

Please feel free to ask any questions.

66 mg NGENLA/wk = approximately 10 IU hGH/d

Does this agree with your calculations?

How many mg per IU of NGENLA? (trying to calculate what your weekly NGENLA use in mg correlates with daily hGH use)

Are you planning IGF-1 blood test?
 
66 mg NGENLA/wk = approximately 10 IU hGH/d

Does this agree with your calculations?

How many mg per IU of NGENLA? (trying to calculate what your weekly NGENLA use in mg correlates with daily hGH use)

Are you planning IGF-1 blood test?
No, I was using 42 ıu somatropin per week, 6 IU per day. Now I am using 45 IU somatrogon per week. A Ngenla pen is 60 mg*3=180 IU. So it lasts 1 month.

I am not claiming they should be dosed equally, but as far as hand numbness says, they are about same effect, mg by mg. So for now I'll stick with 45 IU per week.
 

One member here posted elevated IGF-1 levels a week after injecting a single dose. Figure 2 makes it look like IGF-1 crashes and wouldn't be elevated again for a week when you take another dose.

Maybe it works for kids with GHD but not sure how helpful that would be for bodybuilders.

@xeonmasters sorry for tagging if this wasn't you

Testing IGF-1 after a month or two would be better but we're working with very limited data.


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One member here posted elevated IGF-1 levels a week after injecting a single dose. Figure 2 makes it look like IGF-1 crashes and wouldn't be elevated again for a week when you take another dose.

Maybe it works for kids with GHD but not sure how helpful that would be for bodybuilders.

@xeonmasters sorry for tagging if this wasn't you

Testing IGF-1 after a month or two would be better but we're working with very limited data.


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Caption of Fig. 2

Arithmetic mean (±Standard Error) baseline-corrected IGF-1 concentration-time profiles following single subcutaneous injections of 12 mg of somatrogon in healthy male participants: (A) linear plot and (B) semilogarithmic plot.

This is a single bolus. I'm not following your comment.
 
Also see Table 1. Elimination half life is 20-25 hr +/- 5hrs so participants experienced a rise in IGF-1 vs baseline for a good fraction of the week.

Repeat bolus every week, etc.
 
Also see Table 1. Elimination half life is 20-25 hr +/- 5hrs so participants experienced a rise in IGF-1 vs baseline for a good fraction of the week.

Repeat bolus every week, etc.

Chase Irons has been using it, or so he says.
Idk if his enthusiasm is down to financial interests, only.
Would you try it, for your first foray into gh?
 
Chase Irons has been using it, or so he says.
Idk if his enthusiasm is down to financial interests, only.
Would you try it, for your first foray into gh?
I don't think so. From a physiologic standpoint I like the pulsing with somatropin as a better tradeoff health vs muscle wise. I am curious the effect of IGF-1 daily pulses vs sustained IGF-1 elevation over the course or the week on longer term prognosis. AUC may be the same but does peak/trough ratio matter? Hence, I'd probably start low and go slow with the standard approach.
 
I don't think so. From a physiologic standpoint I like the pulsing with somatropin as a better tradeoff health vs muscle wise. I am curious the effect of IGF-1 daily pulses vs sustained IGF-1 elevation over the course or the week on longer term prognosis. AUC may be the same but does peak/trough ratio matter? Hence, I'd probably start low and go slow with the standard approach.

I am bookmarking your reply.
As I find more info, and maybe more data from users becomes available, I will go back to the points you just made.
I would like to know more about this, too.
Thank you.
 
I’m a little ticked off with TP. I paid $90 for 3-6 day shipping it’s been 11 days, still not even in the country. Double the amount of time and still nothing. You also dident even create a label until 4 days after the order. So , Why am I paying $90 dollars for express 3-6 day shippings. if your still just going to take your time with package.
 
I don't think so. From a physiologic standpoint I like the pulsing with somatropin as a better tradeoff health vs muscle wise. I am curious the effect of IGF-1 daily pulses vs sustained IGF-1 elevation over the course or the week on longer term prognosis. AUC may be the same but does peak/trough ratio matter? Hence, I'd probably start low and go slow with the standard approach.

NGENLA is neither IGF-1 daily pulses nor sustained IGF-1 elevation over the week (as per the study you posted) (see below).

The bodybuilding application would be to mimic sustained IGF-1 elevations similar to twice daily hGH administration.

So this would be your IGF-1 exposure with once-weekly NGENLA dosing:


I might consider dividing the dose twice weekly. Or maybe it works better [for bodybuilding] with a higher peak as you alluded to here:

AUC may be the same but does peak/trough ratio matter?

many unknowns
 

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Are we still holding sources accountable for fulfilling there services.

@Turkish Pharmacy. You offer 3-6 day expedited shipping for $90 more the standard shipping.
- I ordered 10/1
- label wasent created until 10/4
-now 14 days later and package is not even in country

It’s one thing if the expedited shipper bag was a little more then regular, but as a customer I’m paying you an extra $60 to expedite and prioritize my package.

I wouldn’t be complaining if paid regular $25 shipping fees. If you can’t fulfill a service. Do not offer it
 
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