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Unexpected tren results?

guyzcool

guyzcool

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On this current cycle, I am (was) running:
Winny 75mg/day (been off that for a bit now)
Test e 600mg/wk
Tren a 300mg/wk
Tren&test no Ester 75/100mg respectively 2x a week.
Just a little bit after I stopped taking the winstrol I started taking accutane for acne. I've had 3 blood tests so far. first two showed no concern, third one showed some concern. slight elevation of liver function. I don't have the test with me so I can't give the exact numbers. I haven't touched any winny. and after that blood test I dropped the tren (because I know that tren causes slight liver agitation). I didn't pin at all last week to let the tren clear.
This is where it is unexpected. I was sitting very comfortable at around 205, looked great felt great. I was taking pharma grade aromasin at 25 mg, monday,Wednesday, and Friday. but this week (it's Tuesday) I am down to 200. I dropped around 5lbs in one week. starting the cycle I was sitting between 190-193. My guess is that it is water weight. I didn't think I was retaining that much water. should I be more aggressive with my ai on tren? I do also know that my bp has been higher than usual, I created a thread on that if you wanna check that out too.
Thank you for the input.
 
guyzcool said:
On this current cycle, I am (was) running:
Winny 75mg/day (been off that for a bit now)
Test e 600mg/wk
Tren a 300mg/wk
Tren&test no Ester 75/100mg respectively 2x a week.
Just a little bit after I stopped taking the winstrol I started taking accutane for acne. I've had 3 blood tests so far. first two showed no concern, third one showed some concern. slight elevation of liver function. I don't have the test with me so I can't give the exact numbers. I haven't touched any winny. and after that blood test I dropped the tren (because I know that tren causes slight liver agitation). I didn't pin at all last week to let the tren clear.
This is where it is unexpected. I was sitting very comfortable at around 205, looked great felt great. I was taking pharma grade aromasin at 25 mg, monday,Wednesday, and Friday. but this week (it's Tuesday) I am down to 200. I dropped around 5lbs in one week. starting the cycle I was sitting between 190-193. My guess is that it is water weight. I didn't think I was retaining that much water. should I be more aggressive with my ai on tren? I do also know that my bp has been higher than usual, I created a thread on that if you wanna check that out too.
Thank you for the input.
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I dropped FAT on tren - and gained mass - loved it, despite the sweating and crummy sleep.

What do you look like? Are you hardening? Maybe it's just a recomp effect. 5lbs of water goes quickly. Every morning, I woke up several pounds lighter than I was when I went to bed while on tren. A lot of pissing of course, but even that didn't account for more than half of it, you become a furnace, or I did.

BTW, aren't you taking anything for the liver? Did your piss start to look like Earl Grey? If so, drink more water and add liver protection pills.
 
tenpoundsleft said:
I dropped FAT on tren - and gained mass - loved it, despite the sweating and crummy sleep.

What do you look like? Are you hardening? Maybe it's just a recomp effect. 5lbs of water goes quickly. Every morning, I woke up several pounds lighter than I was when I went to bed while on tren. A lot of pissing of course, but even that didn't account for more than half of it, you become a furnace, or I did.

BTW, aren't you taking anything for the liver? Did your piss start to look like Earl Grey? If so, drink more water and add liver protection pills.
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Urine looks fairly normal, darker than usual. could be from being lazy with water though. not currently taking anything for the liver. what do you recommend? I can post a few pics on here, I looked full, but at the same time lean and cut. abdominal protrude, shoulders look full. striations in the shoulders and chest. love the he'll out of it. but I think I'm going to give the tren a bit of a break until my next blood test, is this a good idea? Just stick to 600mg test e?
 
guyzcool said:
Urine looks fairly normal, darker than usual. could be from being lazy with water though. not currently taking anything for the liver. what do you recommend? I can post a few pics on here, I looked full, but at the same time lean and cut. abdominal protrude, shoulders look full. striations in the shoulders and chest. love the he'll out of it. but I think I'm going to give the tren a bit of a break until my next blood test, is this a good idea? Just stick to 600mg test e?
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I take LiverStabil when I'm on tren or do orals. Bought mine from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CTOKE4/ (www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002CTOKE4/)

Regarding the tren to test ratio - I guess everyone responds differently, but I prefer more tren than test. Test over 400-500 per week seems to make me retain a lot of water. Also, I have read, and agree with, the theories that say that test is really only needed as a base (200-300 per week) and anything above that is better done with tren, as tren is non-aromatizing, and highly anabolic. YMMV obviously, but my preference (and mind you I have only done ONE albeit long cycle with tren, where I dialled up and down to get to a point of comfort and results - for me) would be 300 test and 600 tren per week, not the opposite. And 600 might be too much, I'd start out with 300 test and same amount of tren and then add tren until you get bad sides. Oh, I front-loaded my tren heavily as I used/use a long ester.

Above is my fairly newbie approach to tren and also what I plan to do next time around.
 
tenpoundsleft said:
I take LiverStabil when I'm on tren or do orals. Bought mine from Amazon:
Regarding the tren to test ratio - I guess everyone responds differently, but I prefer more tren than test. Test over 400-500 per week seems to make me retain a lot of water. Also, I have read, and agree with, the theories that say that test is really only needed as a base (200-300 per week) and anything above that is better done with tren, as tren is non-aromatizing, and highly anabolic. YMMV obviously, but my preference (and mind you I have only done ONE albeit long cycle with tren, where I dialled up and down to get to a point of comfort and results - for me) would be 300 test and 600 tren per week, not the opposite. And 600 might be too much, I'd start out with 300 test and same amount of tren and then add tren until you get bad sides. Oh, I front-loaded my tren heavily as I used/use a long ester.

Above is my fairly newbie approach to tren and also what I plan to do next time around.
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This was my first time with tren. I love test tho, maybe I'll take a different approach here. pick up some more tren and hit it fucking hard
 
Nothing to be conceded about with only a slight elevation in LFTs. Also, liver protection isn't worth the money
 
guyzcool said:
On this current cycle, I am (was) running:
Winny 75mg/day (been off that for a bit now)
Test e 600mg/wk
Tren a 300mg/wk
Tren&test no Ester 75/100mg respectively 2x a week.
Just a little bit after I stopped taking the winstrol I started taking accutane for acne. I've had 3 blood tests so far. first two showed no concern, third one showed some concern. slight elevation of liver function. I don't have the test with me so I can't give the exact numbers. I haven't touched any winny. and after that blood test I dropped the tren (because I know that tren causes slight liver agitation). I didn't pin at all last week to let the tren clear.
This is where it is unexpected. I was sitting very comfortable at around 205, looked great felt great. I was taking pharma grade aromasin at 25 mg, monday,Wednesday, and Friday. but this week (it's Tuesday) I am down to 200. I dropped around 5lbs in one week. starting the cycle I was sitting between 190-193. My guess is that it is water weight. I didn't think I was retaining that much water. should I be more aggressive with my ai on tren? I do also know that my bp has been higher than usual, I created a thread on that if you wanna check that out too.
Thank you for the input.
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Don't increase your AI's. Tren is another form of Test-but much stronger. Tren helps your muscle look full and why? Because it helps your muscle retain/store water. More water=increase in strength. As you remove Tren-you will start to lose water (thus you're dropping weight)- but once it levels out-you'll be fine!

As for BP.. retaining water will increase your BP. When I am running Tren my liver and BP value goes south.. I just increase water intake to help my liver and take meds to control my BP (baby aspirin does wonder :) )
 
Flaming Dragon said:
Don't increase your AI's. Tren is another form of Test-but much stronger. Tren helps your muscle look full and why? Because it helps your muscle retain/store water. More water=increase in strength. As you remove Tren-you will start to lose water (thus you're dropping weight)- but once it levels out-you'll be fine!

As for BP.. retaining water will increase your BP. When I am running Tren my liver and BP value goes south.. I just increase water intake to help my liver and take meds to control my BP (baby aspirin does wonder :) )
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Yeah, I didn't increase my Adex intake at all, but I also kept the test dose reasonable, I can feel quickly when the E2 is coming on. Or at least I think so. I think that's one of the best things with tren, not much estrogen excess to fight with.
 
Flaming Dragon said:
Don't increase your AI's. Tren is another form of Test-but much stronger. Tren helps your muscle look full and why? Because it helps your muscle retain/store water. More water=increase in strength. As you remove Tren-you will start to lose water (thus you're dropping weight)- but once it levels out-you'll be fine!

As for BP.. retaining water will increase your BP. When I am running Tren my liver and BP value goes south.. I just increase water intake to help my liver and take meds to control my BP (baby aspirin does wonder :) )
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Nice ok, this is the kind of input I was looking for. I may have to hold off on the tren until my next blood test to see how I am doing. I don't want to get off accutane until my acne is gone.
 
tenpoundsleft said:
Yeah, I didn't increase my Adex intake at all, but I also kept the test dose reasonable, I can feel quickly when the E2 is coming on. Or at least I think so. I think that's one of the best things with tren, not much estrogen excess to fight with.
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I feel those that keep a nice log (dosage and duration on cycle) and run pre-mid-post blood work can best determine the correct AI dosage to control E2. Sometime the symptoms of a high and low estrogen are almost the same..Remember, estrogen is your friend.. just don't let your friend get out of control tho :)
 
Flaming Dragon said:
I feel those that keep a nice log (dosage and duration on cycle) and run pre-mid-post blood work can best determine the correct AI dosage to control E2. Sometime the symptoms of a high and low estrogen are almost the same..Remember, estrogen is your friend.. just don't let your friend get out of control tho :)
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Hey, I'm with you there - I take the bare minimum of Adex - I cut the pills in 4 pieces, take a quarter E3D. If my left ankle starts to look like Hillary's, I pop another quarter, but on TRT I don't aromatize much at all, so I just do 1/4 pill E3D to be consistent. On cycle, I also notice if I get all misty during sad moments in movies or TV shows => time for another pill. Not as good as blood work, but FFS, I already do bloods 3 times per year.
 
tenpoundsleft said:
Hey, I'm with you there - I take the bare minimum of Adex - I cut the pills in 4 pieces, take a quarter E3D. If my left ankle starts to look like Hillary's, I pop another quarter, but on TRT I don't aromatize much at all, so I just do 1/4 pill E3D to be consistent. On cycle, I also notice if I get all misty during sad moments in movies or TV shows => time for another pill. Not as good as blood work, but FFS, I already do bloods 3 times per year.
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I got misty watching Frozen with my daughter...My wife's like WTF..LOL!!
 
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