MESO-Rx Exclusive Unique characteristics of MENT

[DugPrime]

I will not run it without EQ in the stack because it aromatizes so fast and so strongly. I've read somewhere in the past that it's a more potent binding of the receptors and that's why it seems like e2 sides x100. or something like that. Can't remember the study or verbiage so I don't want to misquote it.

It’s true that it's 10x more potent than testosterone at estrogen receptors, but that doesn’t automatically mean more estradiol-related sides. Your estradiol will rise faster, but you can still keep it in check with an AI, just like with other compounds.

 

[Ricky93]

Ive

It’s true that it's 10x more potent than testosterone at estrogen receptors, but that doesn’t automatically mean more estradiol-related sides. Your estradiol will rise faster, but you can still keep it in check with an AI, just like with other compounds.

I've also read somewhere the 7a-methyl-estradiol has a longer half-live than bio estradiol. So maybe it accumulates over time?!?
Could also be like Deca, where is potentiates aromatization from Test. Deca on its own aromatizes at a lower rate (20%) than Test but when used in a stack you can get E2 sides easily. Is this a characteristic of 19-nors?

 

[DugPrime]

Ive

I've also read somewhere the 7a-methyl-estradiol has a longer half-live than bio estradiol. So maybe it accumulates over time?!?
Could also be like Deca, where is potentiates aromatization from Test. Deca on its own aromatizes at a lower rate (20%) than Test but when used in a stack you can get E2 sides easily. Is this a characteristic of 19-nors?

Estradiol does accumulate over time, but that’s true for any aromatizing AAS, even test. You just keep an AI on hand, and if you feel any side effects, you take it. Within 5-8 hours, you're usually back to baseline.

Not sure if Trestolone potentiates aromatization of other compounds, but I don’t think so. I’m currently on 125mg of Test-E week and 4mg of Trestolone-A daily, and I need to drop 12.5mg of Exemestane once or twice a week to manage it.

 

[Ricky93]

Does Tren potentiate convertion of test to estradiol? I have no experience with it but I'm wondering if all 19-nors, including Trest can be like that.

We know Trest is hated by people who, from my understanding, are either taking too much or are taking too much in conjuction with aromatizing compounds(think Test+Deca).

 

[Type-IIx]

I'm aware and willing to take the risk for this experiment. Trestolone supposedly can replace all testosterone biofunctions at a much lower dose. I belie e it was initially created as a contraceptive and later studied for that and also hormonal replacement at 400-700mcg/day with pellets. If it has 4-6 times the androgenicity of testosterone it means it's potent enough to replace DHT when binding to the ARs. Also converts intro 7a-methyl-estradiol, I understand some say it has higher toxicity than bio estradiol but still it has great affinity to the ERs and could probably replace its functions.

It failed abysmally so was scrapped for this reason when trialled potentially as a male contraceptive

MENT is a compound that I thoroughly enjoy but have to accept it for what it is and take extra precautions.

I will not run it without EQ in the stack because it aromatizes so fast and so strongly. I've read somewhere in the past that it's a more potent binding of the receptors and that's why it seems like e2 sides x100. or something like that. Can't remember the study or verbiage so I don't want to misquote it. But it sure as hell fills me up what seems like overnight. MENT is the main compound that I can use and people will immediately start to ask me if I'm on something because I look so full.

Most practical stack - Test / EQ / MENT

Best "feeling" stack for me - Test / Mast / Ment (I say feeling because mast helps me skip over the mental part of estrogenic sides but my levels still go wild and i'm at risk of gyno)

I can handle up to 15mg a day but at 20+ it's not worth it. Usually run for 8 weeks max.

Sides - any estrogen sides to a new level if you aren't cautious, potential BP increases for many. I take telmisartan 20mg a day, hit my cardio, and I'm fine.

As soon as you said you'll only run it with EQ I stopped reading because those are just two highly intolerable drugs

Ive

I've also read somewhere the 7a-methyl-estradiol has a longer half-live than bio estradiol. So maybe it accumulates over time?!?
Could also be like Deca, where is potentiates aromatization from Test. Deca on its own aromatizes at a lower rate (20%) than Test but when used in a stack you can get E2 sides easily. Is this a characteristic of 19-nors?

Where'd you read it?

Does Tren potentiate convertion of test to estradiol? I have no experience with it but I'm wondering if all 19-nors, including Trest can be like that.

We know Trest is hated by people who, from my understanding, are either taking too much or are taking too much in conjuction with aromatizing compounds(think Test+Deca).

No but it increases sensitivity to estrogens

 

[DugPrime]

MENT is a fantastic mass builder and plenty of bodybuilders have caught on to its remarkable potency.

Don't say that, he'll turn again in a crying baby on the defensive.

 

[bananafeet]

Does MENT have a niche case usage like:

Using 2mg or so a week and coming off other AAS to lower HCT and RBC?

I've read that somewhere but don't know if it's a practical application.

 

[RaddishPork]

Does MENT have a niche case usage like:

Using 2mg or so a week and coming off other AAS to lower HCT and RBC?

I've read that somewhere but don't know if it's a practical application.

Honestly the "niche case usage" for MENT is to kill your sperm count or get noticeable results quickly (high risk / high reward compound)

 

[Thecarrier]

Honestly the "niche case usage" for MENT is to kill your sperm count or get noticeable results quickly (high risk / high reward compound)

There is also people using it for fighting depressed symptom, it seems to work for depression.

 

[HKOX]

There is also people using it for fighting depressed symptom, it seems to work for depression.

It does give me a mood boost, but I can't handle the estrogenic sides. Will need to run an AI to finish off my MENT bottle.

 

[Thecarrier]

It does give me a mood boost, but I can't handle the estrogenic sides. Will need to run an AI to finish off my MENT bottle.

Did you try to lower your test?

 

[HKOX]

Did you try to lower your test?

Yes. Atp I'll stick to deca and tren. At 5mg a day I need 500mg mast to keep the sides at bay, and to me it's still an inferior cycle to just running deca and tren.

 

[Thecarrier]

Yes. Atp I'll stick to deca and tren. At 5mg a day I need 500mg mast to keep the sides at bay, and to me it's still an inferior cycle to just running deca and tren.

Wow that’s crazy 500mg mast for 35mg trest.. how many mg of test ?
Mmh deca + tren , never heard much about that kind of cycle, what is your experience and dose?

 

[HKOX]

Wow that’s crazy 500mg mast for 35mg trest.. how many mg of test ?
Mmh deca + tren , never heard much about that kind of cycle, what is your experience and dose?

200mg test prop.

Deca and tren works great, but I'm currently running 400mg deca 150mg tren a and I'm a little too aggressive and sweating a lot. I've never run this much Deca. My sleep isn't at all affected, however. I think I'll drop back down to 200mg deca 150mg tren for my next blast because I've caught myself snapping at people aggressively, and I made a female client very uncomfortable by telling her I couldn't focus around her because she was too attractive (she's a 9 or 10 to me) after several days of being way too friendly. So yeah, not running this much Deca again lol

 

[Thecarrier]

200mg test prop.

Deca and tren works great, but I'm currently running 400mg deca 150mg tren an and I'm a little too aggressive and sweating a lot. I've never run this much Deca. My sleep isn't at all affected, however. I think I'll drop back down to 200mg deca 150mg tren for my next blast because I've caught myself snapping at people aggressively, and I made a female client very uncomfortable by telling her I couldn't focus around her because she was too attractive (she's a 9 or 10 to me) after several days of being way too friendly. So yeah, not running this much Deca again lol

The anedoct is awesome but so deca tren without test?

 

[Apawlogy]

Unfortunately, your reply does not do anything to support the claim in your article that MENT is an 'anti-androgenic progestin'. Instead, you provide a lengthy comparison of Trenbolone and MENT.

I did not claim that MENT is exactly like, or as useful as, Trenbolone. I merely mentioned Trenbolone as an example of a progestagen (=progestin) that does not have antiandrogenic effects. Since in your article, you seem to argue that MENT must be anti-androgenic since it is a progestin.

A progestin is defined as "natural or synthetic steroid hormone that binds to and activate the progesterone receptors". By this standard definition, both Trenbolone and MENT are progestins.

MENT is both a progestin and a very strong androgen. In fact, MENT has high binding affinity to the AR, and is an extremely potent activator of it, even stronger than DHT. It is as pro-androgenic as steroids get!

"All the androgens led to a dose-dependent increase in the CAT activity. MENT was found to be the most potent followed by DHT, 19-NT, T, and CNNT. " 7alpha-methyl-19-nortestosterone, a synthetic androgen with high potency: structure-activity comparisons with other androgens - PubMed

I agree with you that MENT is not too useful as a drug due to its estrogenic and prolactinergic potential. But the claim about anti-androgenicity is simply unfounded and not needed to make a strong argument against the use of MENT.

 

[HKOX]

The anedoct is awesome but so deca tren without test?

+600 mg test. Prop and e. And 500mg eq. Also 150mg mast prop. Too heavy a cycle. I won't go this high again