W&M Analytical Liaison (U.S. Domestic)

[BigJ89]

Just for clarification, the price is 170 now?

 

[CompoundLifts31]

You’re doing great bro. Thank you for your service here and thank you for continuing in spite of all the crap that's gone down.

Check your PMs homie

 

[T-Bagger]

Check your PMs homie

Don’t tell me how to live my life.

 

[murray312]

If i had a grand id send so much garbage ive accumulated over the last year Just to see exactly how shitty it is. This is a awesome resource.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Check your PMs homie

I have. I did not see one there from you. Please resend if needed.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Just for clarification, the price is 170 now?

Correct.

 

[Weights & Measures]

I’m glad you decided to stick around, testing is really something that we need here. My only concern about sources not being able to test finished product is that there’s no way to verify orals. One thing new sources get hammered on is mixing the orals before capping. Now there’s no way for them to verify they mixed correctly before selling, it’s basically passing the burden from the source to the customers.

Although I doubt anyone got their completed orals tested before selling in the past so this is probably a moot comment at this point, but it does remove the option.

Either way, if that’s what you feel you need to do to stick around then at least sources will have a way to test raws and it’s much better than you withdrawing your services.

I have been thinking a lot about it; and I agree with you.
The main problem is with my ability to monitor how my results are distributed.
I’m not even sure how many days passed before I just happened to see what he did; but I feel terrible for anyone who purchased from him based on false results bearing my name.

Rationally, I know I had nothing to do with that; but I feel a huge sense of duty to anyone who depends on these results for their decision making process.
I just can’t be associated with anything crooked or deceptive....I don’t do well with it at all.

I’m honestly open to suggestions. I want to help in any way I can.
But think about what it would look like if 2 weeks went by before I saw his post. It’s not uncommon for me to be out of pocket for many days on end.

Now imagine if you had purchased from him because of the “great” lab results.

If the same scenario happened to me as a customer, I would hold the testing service somewhat accountable in my mind for not monitoring the results distribution.
I started doing this to help regular guys like me; so I can’t stand the thought of people looking at me like I have any part in a bad outcome based on results bearing my name.
I’m definitely not trying to push the burden to the consumer. BUT... I can’t bear the burden of another such episode on my conscience.
If you guys come up with a collective solution that can mitigate these types of issues; I will be agreeable to the extent of my ability.
I like @bolder idea if the watermark; but I have not had time to pursue it. In all honesty, the template looks a little different to me each time he sends it; so idk what he does with his software. Document security, etc. is far from my field of expertise.
What I cannot do is devote full time hours to this. My life is just too demanding in other areas.
I really do appreciate the support you guys have shown me.

 

[master.on]

@Weights & Measures would you mind asking the guys in the lab how do they manage to test exotic steroids (like DHB, MENT and perhaps even Sdrol) given there are no commercially available certified reference standards, and there are no GC-MS spectra libraries (i.e. NIST) to conclusively identify them?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I have been thinking a lot about it; and I agree with you.
The main problem is with my ability to monitor how my results are distributed.
I’m not even sure how many days passed before I just happened to see what he did; but I feel terrible for anyone who purchased from him based on false results bearing my name.

Rationally, I know I had nothing to do with that; but I feel a huge sense of duty to anyone who depends on these results for their decision making process.
I just can’t be associated with anything crooked or deceptive....I don’t do well with it at all.

I’m honestly open to suggestions. I want to help in any way I can.
But think about what it would look like if 2 weeks went by before I saw his post. It’s not uncommon for me to be out of pocket for many days on end.

Now imagine if you had purchased from him because of the “great” lab results.

If the same scenario happened to me as a customer, I would hold the testing service somewhat accountable in my mind for not monitoring the results distribution.
I started doing this to help regular guys like me; so I can’t stand the thought of people looking at me like I have any part in a bad outcome based on results bearing my name.
I’m definitely not trying to push the burden to the consumer. BUT... I can’t bear the burden of another such episode on my conscience.
If you guys come up with a collective solution that can mitigate these types of issues; I will be agreeable to the extent of my ability.
I like @bolder idea if the watermark; but I have not had time to pursue it. In all honesty, the template looks a little different to me each time he sends it; so idk what he does with his software. Document security, etc. is far from my field of expertise.
What I cannot do is devote full time hours to this. My life is just too demanding in other areas.
I really do appreciate the support you guys have shown me.

No longer email the results but rather all results get posted to a “W&M Results” thread. All dialogue continues in this thread while the other thread is only for the lab reports.

 

[T-Bagger]

No longer email the results but rather all results get posted to a “W&M Results” thread. All dialogue continues in this thread while the other thread is only for the lab reports.

X2

 

[MisterSuperGod]

No longer email the results but rather all results get posted to a “W&M Results” thread. All dialogue continues in this thread while the other thread is only for the lab reports.

In theory that's a great idea. In reality we'll see a lab report post followed by a solid page of dick talk, two members catching up because they haven't seen each other in awhile, and people foolishly quoting the reports to say "nice results!" instead of hitting the like button like a normal person and not adding needless posts to a thread.

We'd need a disclaimer or an agreed upon code of conduct or something like that. Look at any thread that has more than 5 pages and you'll see how these mother fuckers can't stay on topic to save their lives. (i include myself in the "these mother fuckers" part of that statement.)

i mean and a little but mostly

 

[mp46]

I have been thinking a lot about it; and I agree with you.
The main problem is with my ability to monitor how my results are distributed.
I’m not even sure how many days passed before I just happened to see what he did; but I feel terrible for anyone who purchased from him based on false results bearing my name.

Rationally, I know I had nothing to do with that; but I feel a huge sense of duty to anyone who depends on these results for their decision making process.
I just can’t be associated with anything crooked or deceptive....I don’t do well with it at all.

I’m honestly open to suggestions. I want to help in any way I can.
But think about what it would look like if 2 weeks went by before I saw his post. It’s not uncommon for me to be out of pocket for many days on end.

Now imagine if you had purchased from him because of the “great” lab results.

If the same scenario happened to me as a customer, I would hold the testing service somewhat accountable in my mind for not monitoring the results distribution.
I started doing this to help regular guys like me; so I can’t stand the thought of people looking at me like I have any part in a bad outcome based on results bearing my name.
I’m definitely not trying to push the burden to the consumer. BUT... I can’t bear the burden of another such episode on my conscience.
If you guys come up with a collective solution that can mitigate these types of issues; I will be agreeable to the extent of my ability.
I like @bolder idea if the watermark; but I have not had time to pursue it. In all honesty, the template looks a little different to me each time he sends it; so idk what he does with his software. Document security, etc. is far from my field of expertise.
What I cannot do is devote full time hours to this. My life is just too demanding in other areas.
I really do appreciate the support you guys have shown me.

I did some more thinking on it and there’s really no easy answer. I would say continue like you are and let the sources figure it out.

One option is the source simply lies and sends off samples under a 3rd party name. Obviously against your rules but an “honest source” would only be using it to test their product before selling.

The other option is a source simply gives some samples away before selling them with the understanding that the customer is sending it in for testing and reimburse them as such. This would put a delay on the product but doesn’t bypass any of your rules.

 

[mp46]

Actually even better idea I think any source should use in order to test their presale product to verify dosing is package the product and only list a sample

“MP Labs test 1”
Dbol
Anavar
Adex

“MP labs test 2”
Adex
Anavar
Winstrol

Etc. etc.

The package is already prepared for sending to WM and the customer is signing up knowing they need to send the product off. If the customer tries to @balco the gear, good luck knowing what’s actually in the bag. The source will know if their product is ready for sale and future testing for “live” product is still in place to keep the source honest.

There’s still a few hiccups I see but it clears up every major concern I’d have with a source getting orals tested for dosing accuracy before selling them. But again, this all hinges on a source actually giving enough of a fuck to test orals before sale.

 

[penche]

Been using WM for a long minute. He’s always on point and I will continue to use his service, as it’s a valuable one he provides. Thank you WM

 

[Weights & Measures]

No longer email the results but rather all results get posted to a “W&M Results” thread. All dialogue continues in this thread while the other thread is only for the lab reports.

This idea is probably the least amount of work for me.
What should we do? Put it to a vote or something? Like one of those poll things I've seen in a couple of threads.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Been using WM for a long minute. He’s always on point and I will continue to use his service, as it’s a valuable one he provides. Thank you WM

I'm happy to help.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

This idea is probably the least amount of work for me.
What should we do? Put it to a vote or something? Like one of those poll things I've seen in a couple of threads.

No vote needed. If it’s easy for you. Do it.

I see it as being most beneficial to the community too.

 

[mp46]

No vote needed. If it’s easy for you. Do it.

I see it as being most beneficial to the community too.

Is this only for sources or for every test done? I’d be against posting results from members, we have no idea what or why a member may want to submit a sample and it may be their home brew or something.

If a fucked up result gets posted then we’re stuck wondering who the sample came from, so WM either has to disclose a members name or we get to guess what it was. And even if he did disclose the member the member can simply say it came from anywhere.

 

[Sdryx]

There is no chain of custody. Anything ever done will need to be “interpreted” for validity.

There will never be a guarantee of valid public results no matter what you guys try to figure out because there is no chain of custody. The only person guaranteed to know what’s valid is the person sending in the sample for testing.

So instead of going around in circles about this impossible feat you are all trying to accomplish... find an easy way to provide as much information as possible about the test done. Like where it came from / sealed or unsealed vial / UGL or member provided / raw or finished product tested...

Disclaimer, anyone can send in anything, the results are meant to be interpreted.

 

[mp46]

There is no chain of custody. Anything ever done will need to be “interpreted” for validity.

There will never be a guarantee of valid public results no matter what you guys try to figure out because there is no chain of custody. The only person guaranteed to know what’s valid is the person sending in the sample for testing.

So instead of going around in circles about this impossible feat you are all trying to accomplish... find an easy way to provide as much information as possible about the test done. Like where it came from / sealed or unsealed vial / UGL or member provided / raw or finished product tested...

Disclaimer, anyone can send in anything, the results are meant to be interpreted.

I totally get that. If you’re referring to my post I just don’t see the need to drag individual members into the spotlight for the board to begin interpreting their tests.

I’m still apprehensive about some stuff for sources but we’ve all discussed possible solutions to that and in the end it’s a sources job to figure it out, they aren’t members.