W&M Analytical Liaison (U.S. Domestic)

[T&H]

And personally, I'd love to see all of @Weights & Measures reports of sparta. Because my review of some of their oils show good things from bloodwork, but I want to personally know if they are hiding bad results instead of posting them. As I've said, I like sparta and hate he bailed without at least giving his reasons here. But if he's hiding something, then my opinion will change.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Well... since Sparta didn’t want to make things simple, I am requesting that any and all results of samples bearing the name Sparta that were tested by you during May - June 2019 be released to the public please.

This is all I have.

 

[T&H]

The six reports under the June file are what was posted on SST, all looks good there.

The via in flames file has 5 that aren't posted on SST. I've got to head home and will try and finish looking later but there's questionable results. One shows exemstane measuring 0.65 a tab, isn't it supposed to be 25mg? And a npp and test blend with no test, but I don't see him sell that kind of blend.

 

[Weights & Measures]

I appreciate everyone being patient and giving me time to consider my position on the future of providing product testing.

I have given considerable thought to the entire thing; and the following is what I have decided:

1) From this point forward I will only accept raw material samples from sources for analysis. It has been said, countless times, that finished product testing from sources is considered worthless because of the possibility of exactly what has happened recently. Additionally, source raw material testing has been demanded by MESO many times.

2) Customer samples of finished products will only be done on entire packages of the product. This means that capsules, pills, creams, solutions, suspensions, suppositories, and vials will need to be sent in their original, unopened packages. I realize it will inconvenience some people; but honestly this whole thing is an inconvenience to me. The inconvenience will have to be now distributed to the community as a whole because I don’t have time for it. Replacement for items sent for testing will be between customer and source. My opinion is that maybe you should reconsider the purchase if the source is not willing to replace the package that is sent for testing.

3) I will maintain an archive of test results that can be reproduced for any MESO member upon request. This will be available to any MESO member; but will require some specificity. For example: You would need to request the report by sender, compound, and date. Vague requests asking me to do things like “Please show me all the results for Joe Blow’s tests” will not be entertained. You will have to know what you’re looking for if you want me to reproduce it.

4) Prices will increase by $25 across the board for this. I have had to come up, again, with money I don’t have in order to ensure my security from sources or others who may seek retaliation for dissemination of results that are not flattering. Let’s face it: this is an illegal drug trade; and I am in the position to cost a source some significant lost revenue. I’m not going to incur the risk for free. The maintenance of the result archive and reproduction of results at request are acts of labor on my behalf; and again, I’m not going to do it for free.

Basically, confidentiality no longer exists here.

There can be no confidentiality in harm reduction; and it has taken me this long to realize that my expectation of ethical behavior in the masses is naïve and unreasonable.

With that said, I have also seen evidence of the same values I live by in a source; so I know it is possible. I believe that these policy changes will help to further the effort of maintaining MESO as the place with the one thing we all came here for: physical AND financial harm reduction.

Where I come from, the scenario that happened last week is unheard of; so I was unprepared. All of the negative experiences I have encountered through this testing effort thus far have actually been intellectually rewarding in ways. I didn’t come here with a great deal of “street smarts”; but the few completely terrible people I have encountered have given me priceless lessons in interpersonal associations. So to them I say, “Thank you and I hope you contract Ebola”.

I apologize for any confusion about #1.
I will accept raws, oils, and finished orals from consumers.
Raws only (no finished products) from sources.

 

[TX_Hempknight]

This is all I have.

Thank you for posting these. My ph won't open them up so unless another member happens to post screenshots in here or the sparta thread, I will have to impatiently wait until I get home. .65 per tab and no test. Boy oh boy, poor lil brochacho and his saggy tittied sluts. Ok. Don't want to sleaze up this thread. Thanks again w&m.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I wouldn’t use the aromasin

 

[T-Bagger]

I wouldn’t use the aromasin

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Their Deca has Test in it too, if I remember.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Their Deca has Test in it too, if I remember.

The NPP has a small amount of test E (5.7 mg). I wouldn’t nitpick about that. But the Aromasin will FUCK PEOPLE UP. That’s some bullshit there. Sparta wants everyone to cry and grow bitch tits!

 

[T-Bagger]

The NPP has a small amount of test E (5.7 mg). I wouldn’t nitpick about that. But the Aromasin will FUCK PEOPLE UP. That’s some bullshit there. Sparta wants everyone to cry and grow bitch tits!

Yep, fucking asshole. And how many thousands of this batch did they crank out AND NEVER RECALL?!?!?!

 

[MindlessWork]

Yep, fucking asshole. And how many thousands of this batch did they crank out AND NEVER RECALL?!?!?!

.65mg aromasin per tab? That's practically bunk junk status as aromasin usually has 25mg per tab.

 

[T-Bagger]

.65mg aromasin per tab? That's practically bunk junk status as aromasin usually has 25mg per tab.

I knew he was shady af when he dodged my request

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I apologize for any confusion about #1.
I will accept raws, oils, and finished orals from consumers.
Raws only (no finished products) from sources.

How are you going to know the difference? A source can say they're a member and a member can say they're a source to get around your specific rules.

i'm not a source, but what if i was considering it and wanted raws tested before opening up shop? Are you going to insist that i post my intro empty handed or go elsewhere to test them?

.65mg aromasin per tab? That's practically bunk junk status as aromasin usually has 25mg per tab.

You'll either see 12.5 mg or 25 mg being offered by most sources. Regardless of the dosage he offered, he had less than 1 mg in there. Maybe he's a proponent of micro dosing?

 

[bolder]

1) From this point forward I will only accept raw material samples from sources for analysis. It has been said, countless times, that finished product testing from sources is considered worthless because of the possibility of exactly what has happened recently. Additionally, source raw material testing has been demanded by MESO many times.

In light of recent events that has went down of late I think changes definitely needed to be made. Glad to see you making those changes as quickly as you have!

I think a source testing their raws is a must and can help them brew more accurately. That’s if they know how to even brew...
I also like that a source tests their own finished product as well. Gives us a clue that they might actually know how to brew! But....
Unfortunately, ‘honesty’ is very rare when it comes to the UGL game as we all should know

Now to my thoughts...

Have you thought about excepting unopened samples and raws from these sources under the condition that when you receive the results they will not receive a copy! Instead, you will post the results openly in that sources thread?
Maybe add watermarks so that they can’t be doctored/tampered with?

I’m not trying to add extra work to you. I know you provide this service for the better of the community and it has been very aggravating for you at times, to say the least.
I’m just wondering if maybe there’s a compromise to test sources finished products, maybe like I mentioned?

Honestly I just like the idea of you posting the results instead of the sources but then again I have no problem with the changes you have currently made!
Just thinking out loud...

Appreciate what you do here as many others do!

 

[Weights & Measures]

How are you going to know the difference? A source can say they're a member and a member can say they're a source to get around your specific rules.

I won't know. However, I don't expect a lot of regular guys to send many hundreds/thousands of dollars; so that would likely be a giveaway. Before you say "What if they just send multiple small samples?".....I know; but I'm doing the best I can and learning as I go. I'll listen to any better ideas you have. I'm still going to do what works for me; but I will always be open to better ideas.

 

[Weights & Measures]

i'm not a source, but what if i was considering it and wanted raws tested before opening up shop? Are you going to insist that i post my intro empty handed or go elsewhere to test them?

I really don't understand this question.
I will test raws for anyone.
I just won't test finished products for sources.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Have you thought about excepting unopened samples and raws from these sources under the condition that when you receive the results they will not receive a copy! Instead, you will post the results openly in that sources thread?

I did consider that; and I just don't want to. There is really a lot more work in this than I ever intended so I have to cut some of it out.

 

[Weights & Measures]

Maybe add watermarks so that they can’t be doctored/tampered with?

I did think of it and I probably will do it eventually; but I have to consult someone for that. I don't use Adobe; but a friend of mine says you can use it to manipulate PDF too if you buy the program.
Really, removing any form of asylum should be enough. Reports can be requested and confirmed; so it would take a moron to try it again.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

I really don't understand this question.
I will test raws for anyone.
I just won't test finished products for sources.

i went back and looked at your original and revised statement.
i was reading it as you would only test raws from sources, which prompted my question. i got it now. Thank you.

 

[T-Bagger]

I won't know. However, I don't expect a lot of regular guys to send many hundreds/thousands of dollars; so that would likely be a giveaway. Before you say "What if they just send multiple small samples?".....I know; but I'm doing the best I can and learning as I go. I'll listen to any better ideas you have. I'm still going to do what works for me; but I will always be open to better ideas.

You’re doing great bro. Thank you for your service here and thank you for continuing in spite of all the crap that's gone down.

 

[mp46]

I’m glad you decided to stick around, testing is really something that we need here. My only concern about sources not being able to test finished product is that there’s no way to verify orals. One thing new sources get hammered on is mixing the orals before capping. Now there’s no way for them to verify they mixed correctly before selling, it’s basically passing the burden from the source to the customers.

Although I doubt anyone got their completed orals tested before selling in the past so this is probably a moot comment at this point, but it does remove the option.

Either way, if that’s what you feel you need to do to stick around then at least sources will have a way to test raws and it’s much better than you withdrawing your services.