We all are to an extent.... But that post was uncalled bro. Oz is trying to help and inform others about the dangers of this game we play.
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Abuse the shit out of something for a fuckload of months consecutively? If one think that's okay, one shouldn't touch AAS and should instead go play in traffic, makes the responsible ones look bad
anonynmous39596706
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@Mr.Oz Just out of curiosity, did they put you back on any type of TRT?
Clen is high, sustained doses is rough on the heart.
Mr.Oz
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- It was just a thought that crossed my mind and anyone who does take their advice from the internet and not from a doctor is a moron in the first place cause that's just what I did.I wasn't saying at all people should do that it was a thought passing through about my own situation. That possibly with "me" and me alone the fluid retention came first and caused the rest.Is it true I got no idea but it sounds like it could be a possibility. I have no clue, but I know that I started retaining LOTS of fluid after taking test alone.Lets all remember that everyone's bodies react in different ways and this is how mine reacted.The question is kinda which came first the chicken or the egg kinda thing.Speaking of kids reading this and going by it they got no business messing with gear anyways IMO. Most got some of the best and highest test levels they will ever have in their life and us older folks use test to get back to that range.Work out,diet right and for Gods sake everyone get checkups on the regular to avoid what happened to me cause I feel it could have been caught if I was seeing a regular doctor rather than just doing once a year blood work from a lab and getting a half ass physical. I keep forgetting to answer the clen issue. First I have asthma so I think/thought my body was pretty tolerant to anything with "buterol" attached to it. I used clen before this happened to my recollection(keep in mind I have lost some short term memory due to my brain not getting the amount of blood it needs to retain it so the doc says). I now can recall using with a syringe 1 ml each morning for a few weeks and I thought the clen was BS cause I felt nothing from it. No shakes ,no trembles, no fever from my body temp going higher. I did notice I could breath better without that tight lung feeling which probably had to do with my heart rather than lung issues I now see.I don't know if the liquid clen I used was any good or not,its kinda debatable.You know the only reason I am even talking and telling about any of this is to save another person from going through what I did and so others can maybe learn something of how serious these things we put in our bodies can affect us.Its all out of giving a damn for others and letting them learn from my own mistakes rather than then having to go through it as well.The frustrating part and its probably why others don't share as well is when you have some that just point the finger,call names, and criticize as if I was asking for it. I don't need that especially when I am trying to share to save others from the same road. Cause I have read PLENTY of time people who have a lot more experience than me running a lot more than me and for a lot longer than me.I think I've pretty much told every aspect of everything that I put in,for how long,and what my outcome was so I believe since I am leaving this life behind me I am now also going to leave MESO behind me. None of this is a part of my life any longer and I feel I have told everyone as much as possible and what they do with it is up to them. I care about you all as brothers and I pray that no body EVER has to feel what I felt or go through what I went through. So this is my last post and I wish you all the best and beg of you to just be careful.Get regular checkups and realize what is OK for some may not be so OK for you because everyone's body reacts in a different way.God bless you all and I wish you the best!
- mr.oz
Izk
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I see a lot of peiple reiterate how important it is to get bloodwork done frequently.
Would this have showed up on a blood test? Low heart function would be raised Creatinine? Idk much about it tbh.
Would this have showed up on a blood test? Low heart function would be raised Creatinine? Idk much about it tbh.
Marcus
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I believe... Not 100%, that this issue can unfold during an ekg/ecg. Or at least it's possible
What if you believe pro BB are doing anything much different than what the OP did your wrong.
The fact is many who use AAS do so YEAR round the difference being the quantity during "cruising" intervals.
Now where do these novice lifters "learn" to run AAS with such wreck less abandon, AAS forums similar to MESO!
Nonetheless the question in the instance is whether Tren itself was responsible for cardiac dysfunction, and the answer is UNKNOWN.
ECG changes are highly dependent upon the underlying cause such as blocked arteries but MANY patients with serious HD can have normal or near normal ECGS.
Lab tests are often worthless bc they are looking for the elevation of specific muscle subunits, like troponin for cardiac muscle, that are released after heart damage has occurred.
This raises just one more reason to be forthright with your doc IF your developing exercise intolerance while using AAS!
That's bc cardiotoxins are not going to reveal themselves as causative thru the use of traditional studies since most of othose tests will be normal as they are searching for STRUCTURAL abnormalities like valves and arteries.
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wsw16
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I would look at the clen usage more closely before the tren.
Marcus
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I was hoping you might answer. Thanks doc... Good info here
Clen and Tren abuse is fast way to cardiac issues. How much depends on the individual, use vs abuse, genetics etc. I wouldn't mess with either unless you have the ability to be super responsible.
If an individual was straight forward with his cruise and blast with their doc, what test/labs would you recommend requesting to make sure cardiac/All function correctly?
There are many studies that have investigated sympathiometic drugs such as amhpetamines and their analogs and none have revealed a cardiotoxic relationship to these substances that I'm aware of.
Thus while heart damage or even "heart attacks" has been well documented, the cardiac damage which may occur is almost always the consequence of obstructive arterial disease (which is readily revealed using conventional testing) rather than some "toxic effect" from meth like drugs.
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In symptomatic patients one may observe overt signs of CHF clinically.
But an echocardiogram and perhaps even cardiac markers would be required for those with more subtle signs and symptoms.
However bc we are talking about something that has yet to be studied per say, there is no established standard!
caveman72
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tren is no good. I hope and pray for you and family.thanks I hope others really take this in and absorb and nor just think its what happen to you. I ended up in hospital because of high estrogen combined with water in lungs. methylestrogen plus progesterone from tren and other from dbol with little exsperiance a year ago.could of been worse for me. I learned state away from certain a.a.s. thanks brother for helping others to know what can happen.
you could never got back on the forum after something like that I would be scared to walk I Pray for you're strength to overcome
Like AAS, corticosteroids, other drugs, or even drinking to much water may cause fluid retention, BUT the difference is in patients with a significantly lowered Ejection Fraction the KIDNEYS do not receive adequate BLOOD FLOW to allow for what is called free water.
The latter can then kind of get stuck within the lungs spaces, which widens the gap for oxygen diffusion, resulting in SOB.
Anecdotally at least, this effect (exertion SOB or reduced exercise tolerance) SEEMS much more common in Tren.
This is one of the reasons I stopped using most UGLs as much as I can, 90% of my gear is pharma I had a small scare 6 months ago pinning some ugl primo got a painful infection and lump on my side thank god some antibiotics cleared it up. So I only use pharma it so worth it. I have a great European source and I have enough to last me for the next decade so I dont have to deal with UGLs as much anymore. I was where many guys are just chasing down the best new promised UGLs that's "amazing" which is garbage thank god to new anabolic labs site from Millard that was an eye openers and I was surprised how many UGLs actually have good products that people have been calling bunk for years. My only concern is sterile products so this still worries me. As far as health reason genetics and organs are different for everyone some guys use for 20 years no problems some guys use for 2 and have problems you have no one to blame were all adults we make our own decisions own up to them.
And yes I'm still around. Been watching and keeping track of all the members who been going scammer or source funny how my pharma gear was called fake.
And yes I'm still around. Been watching and keeping track of all the members who been going scammer or source funny how my pharma gear was called fake.
Marcus
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Hahaha, you never give up shamrock... You are one persistent motherfucker, I'll give you that.
Please anyone who does not know of gearline, read his post history to get to know him a little better
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