WARNING:ALMOST DIED

[Dr JIM]

For me this is a very interesting topic that just has not been studied to any extent.

Oh don't get me wrong bc I don't believe it's the smoking gun of adverse effects from AAS use.

We ALL know the overwhelming majority of those who have used AAS are GTG to this day, so something else is required and that list is endless from genetics, to a specific AAS, some combination or their dosage and duration of use.

I'm not trying to open up a Pandora's box with my suggestions, but how many of you mates have heard some AAS brethren mention a reduced aerobic capacity while cycling Tren!

So I reflect back and wonder how many of my patients with "idiopathic cardiomyopathy" would have had Echocargraphic abnormalities of cardiac dysfunction?

I honestly don't know but if I can document an temporal relationship using a few select case studies, perhaps this issue would receive the attention and research it deserves.

 

[korat]

For me this is a very interesting topic that just has not been studied to any extent.

Oh don't get me wrong bc I don't believe it's the smoking gun of adverse effects from AAS use.

We ALL know the overwhelming majority of those who have used AAS are GTG to this day, so something else is required and that list is endless from genetics, to a specific AAS, some combination or their dosage and duration of use.

I'm not trying to open up a Pandora's box with my suggestions, but how many of you mates have heard some AAS brethren mention a reduced aerobic capacity while cycling Tren!

So I reflect back and wonder how many of my patients with "idiopathic cardiomyopathy" would have had Echocargraphic abnormalities of cardiac dysfunction?

I honestly don't know but if I can document an temporal relationship using a few select case studies, perhaps this issue would receive the attention and research it deserves.

I can tell you my friend a decorated gulf war vet, high ranking west point grad almost invariably got messed up via Tren acetate. Breathing issues etc. Full cardiac arrest and he abused Tren like the OP.. Months on end at 100mg + daily. I will ask him more extensively what his exact diagnosis was and how high of mgs be was running. John Romano famously asked "where are the bodies! Well the bodies and health issues are piling up! I'm no doctor so I leave it you in the field. 13! j/k, but is that's what needed?

 

[penche]

It's nice to see the Oz man making a almost 100% recovery. Keep it up man.

For the doc in the house..what type of test could've discovered this problem prior to the emergency visit? Sorry if I missed it in your above posts.

A stress test? EKG? X-ray of lungs when first signs of shortness of breath arise?

 

[Mr.Oz]

my tren runs were most likely way too close together also. Especially the last one so i can see how the "cumulative" effect could add to the issue a lot. I think tren is and was the main culprit in this situation. Bottom line is our bodies are fragile, life is fragile and we should treat it as such. Listen to your body and don't ignore possible warning signs as I did. I want people to see me and what happened and go the opposite direction and use a doctor if TRT is needed. If it's just to get big and bulked up then do your research and get your bloods done as often as possible. Looks aren't everything and life with the one's you love is everything. Weigh it out and you make your own choice as to what you are willing to gamble and what your not willing to gamble and all that's between you and your family and God. Thanks so much for all your prayers and all the love you have shown to me and my family.THANK YOU ALL MESO-RX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mr.Oz]

One thing I can see I ignored was how after being on tren 100ED for a few weeks I started getting the same type shortness of breath that I felt the night I ended up in the ER fighting for survival. I wrote it off as a side affect and that I breath in a lot of smoke welding anyways but in reality I think that was my warning sign cause it was my heart and not my lungs. Like you say also take long breaks in between. I stayed on test from 500-to 750 a week and would do tren blast here and there and I know I didn't wait and stay off the same length I was on the cycle of tren as recommended. Sometimes my off time was less than the time I was on my last cycle,not always but sometimes. Someone asked about my weight. Before when I had low t which caused me to gain weight I couldn't lose I was 250lbs. Then after starting TRT I lost down to 200 and stayed about at that and I was happy with it at 6ft and lots of muscle. Then I almost died and most of that 200lbs I can see was fluid retention and I lost it in the hospital over a few days. So now I am from 175 to 180 and watching it like a hawk for fluid gain. I had noticed before no matter how hard I worked out I wouldn't lose this layer of soft feeling tissue on top of my chest muscle and arms. Anywhere I had muscle except my legs I had a layer of softness on top of it that wouldn't go away no matter what I did or how hard I exercised. It made me look bigger and more bulky but to me it wasn't real hard muscle I wanted to have. My belly was the same soft flabby tissue that won't go away no matter what I did. Well, I know now it was fluid retention due to my heart not functioning at full capacity. Your heart doesn't pump fully then your kidneys don't function fully and rid your body of fluid. Then it will build up. Eventually in me my heart functioned lessened more and more fluid built up happened which filled my lungs full and almost drowned me alive(and yes this sucked real bad and I have never suffered more in my life). So the fluid build up NEVER happened around my legs,ankles,hands,feet, or fingers as it does with most people. It happened everywhere else. So guys watch out for that as well. The soft tissue type feelings on top of the muscle and that belly fat may not be belly fat and also around your face if you look really bloated get your ass checked out cause you don't want your lungs to fill while you were wishing to pass out and die due to the suffering being so bad death looks better. I hope this is educational and saves lives and people see this shit can be life threatening and damn sure life altering.

 

[Marcus]

One thing I can see I ignored was how after being on tren 100ED for a few weeks I started getting the same type shortness of breath that I felt the night I ended up in the ER fighting for survival. I wrote it off as a side affect and that I breath in a lot of smoke welding anyways but in reality I think that was my warning sign cause it was my heart and not my lungs. Like you say also take long breaks in between. I stayed on test from 500-to 750 a week and would do tren blast here and there and I know I didn't wait and stay off the same length I was on the cycle of tren as recommended. Sometimes my off time was less than the time I was on my last cycle,not always but sometimes. Someone asked about my weight. Before when I had low t which caused me to gain weight I couldn't lose I was 250lbs. Then after starting TRT I lost down to 200 and stayed about at that and I was happy with it at 6ft and lots of muscle. Then I almost died and most of that 200lbs I can see was fluid retention and I lost it in the hospital over a few days. So now I am from 175 to 180 and watching it like a hawk for fluid gain. I had noticed before no matter how hard I worked out I wouldn't lose this layer of soft feeling tissue on top of my chest muscle and arms. Anywhere I had muscle except my legs I had a layer of softness on top of it that wouldn't go away no matter what I did or how hard I exercised. It made me look bigger and more bulky but to me it wasn't real hard muscle I wanted to have. My belly was the same soft flabby tissue that won't go away no matter what I did. Well, I know now it was fluid retention due to my heart not functioning at full capacity. Your heart doesn't pump fully then your kidneys don't function fully and rid your body of fluid. Then it will build up. Eventually in me my heart functioned lessened more and more fluid built up happened which filled my lungs full and almost drowned me alive(and yes this sucked real bad and I have never suffered more in my life). So the fluid build up NEVER happened around my legs,ankles,hands,feet, or fingers as it does with most people. It happened everywhere else. So guys watch out for that as well. The soft tissue type feelings on top of the muscle and that belly fat may not be belly fat and also around your face if you look really bloated get your ass checked out cause you don't want your lungs to fill while you were wishing to pass out and die due to the suffering being so bad death looks better. I hope this is educational and saves lives and people see this shit can be life threatening and damn sure life altering.

Well spoken and a good warning. Glad you're still with us here!

Can you tell us about your Clen use for months in a row, that you spoke about in July? That would be very helpful as well

 

[Mr.Oz]

To give you guys a great report I am feeling wonderful compared to how I was!!!! Seems like the gear is out of my system and the meds I am on are working their magic and I feel like I used to feel but even better! I seem to have more energy and I just all around feel better. I still gotta long way to go but I am now wearing a heart monitor for 30 days and start cardiac rehab today to build up strength in my heart while I am heavily supervised to make sure we don't over do it or push to much. I am a little afraid but I will be doing it in the best place............a hospital praise GOD!!!!!!!!! I will continue to keep you posted on my ups and downs.I am better than I was in the back of that ambulance drowning on my own fluid but I have a long ways still to go.Thanks to everyone who has been praying for me cause I still need it!

 

[big boi]

Good to hear, God is always good.

 

[Mr.Oz]

I had a crazy thought,of course I am no doctor.But is it possible that all the test cause (as we know it does) extreme fluid retention first! Then it gets around the heart slowing it by pressure to 20% then all that extra fluid caused from test just fills my lungs and I almost drown? Long story short would it be a good idea for those who choose to use steroids that they stack it with a diacritic like lasix/furosemide to rid the body of all that extra fluid it packs on. I've not ever heard of anyone doing it but it might be worth looking into if you are gonna choose to keep using steroids. My obvious choice is to say no and live. Because for me one more time of ANYTHING could mean lights out for good and that is not worth the risk nor is it what I want in this life.

mr.oz

 

[naturalkon]

I had a crazy thought,of course I am no doctor.But is it possible that all the test cause (as we know it does) extreme fluid retention first! Then it gets around the heart slowing it by pressure to 20% then all that extra fluid caused from test just fills my lungs and I almost drown? Long story short would it be a good idea for those who choose to use steroids that they stack it with a diacritic like lasix/furosemide to rid the body of all that extra fluid it packs on. I've not ever heard of anyone doing it but it might be worth looking into if you are gonna choose to keep using steroids. My obvious choice is to say no and live. Because for me one more time of ANYTHING could mean lights out for good and that is not worth the risk nor is it what I want in this life.

mr.oz

Arimidex works well. No need to touch diuretics. Those are hundred times more dangerous than steroids.

 

[Marcus]

I had a crazy thought,of course I am no doctor.But is it possible that all the test cause (as we know it does) extreme fluid retention first! Then it gets around the heart slowing it by pressure to 20% then all that extra fluid caused from test just fills my lungs and I almost drown? Long story short would it be a good idea for those who choose to use steroids that they stack it with a diacritic like lasix/furosemide to rid the body of all that extra fluid it packs on. I've not ever heard of anyone doing it but it might be worth looking into if you are gonna choose to keep using steroids. My obvious choice is to say no and live. Because for me one more time of ANYTHING could mean lights out for good and that is not worth the risk nor is it what I want in this life.

mr.oz

What about the Clen you were taking for several months on end as you wrote about A couple months back... Can you please speak on this?

 

[crossfitisgay]

The moral of the story is that op is a dumb fuckin ass

 

[korat]

Arimidex works well. No need to touch diuretics. Those are hundred times more dangerous than steroids.

Diuretics have their place, especially when are used with persons that have "unnatural" water retention. It effectively lowers BP and works well. Now if you are some schmuck who has little water retention and decides to use lets say lasix. Of course you are asking for trouble

 

[naturalkon]

Diuretics have their place, especially when are used with persons that have "unnatural" water retention. It effectively lowers BP and works well. Now if you are some schmuck who has little water retention and decides to use lets say lasix. Of course you are asking for trouble

Yeah, that's why you would go to a dr. But to tell some kid reading this. That he should run diuretics, alongside his cycle. This case is an extreme outlier. Just think you should be careful what you put out there.

 

[naturalkon]

Especially Lasix. That's like the worst one out of all of them.

 

[korat]

Yeah, that's why you would go to a dr. But to tell some kid reading this. That he should run diuretics, alongside his cycle. This case is an extreme outlier. Just think you should be careful what you put out there.

As I said "diuretics have their place"

 

[devildog93]

Not in my opinion. Dangerous shit to play with for purely cosmetic reasons. Then again, people are putting 24 inch rims and tire packages on cars that aren't worth a grand and getting calf implants, so maybe i'm in the minority. I never understood the calf implant guys at all. I'm not again implants per se, but if i got implant they would have to be a performance upgrade. I would be expecting some Steve Majors shit.

 

[korat]

Not in my opinion. Dangerous shit to play with for purely cosmetic reasons. Then again, people are putting 24 inch rims and tire packages on cars that aren't worth a grand and getting calf implants, so maybe i'm in the minority. I never understood the calf implant guys at all. I'm not again implants per se, but if i got implant they would have to be a performance upgrade. I would be expecting some Steve Majors shit.

You said cosmetic. I said to reduce excess water retention caused by cycling, which is the job of a diuretic. Also lowering BP. Calf implants are rarely done correctly so I agree

 

[devildog93]

Korat i was speaking purely from local experience. The people i know who have used lasix did so for competitions. I think the total is 5, so not a broad base. 2 females, 3 males. 3 of them total screwballs with whacky theories on diets and training that make absolutely no sense to me. Of the 5, probably only one had any clue what he was doing altogether on diet,training and goals and wasn't a reckless, at any cost type.

 

[korat]

Korat i was speaking purely from local experience. The people i know who have used lasix did so for competitions. I think the total is 5, so not a broad base. 2 females, 3 males. 3 of them total screwballs with whacky theories on diets and training that make absolutely no sense to me. Of the 5, probably only one had any clue what he was doing altogether on diet,training and goals and wasn't a reckless, at any cost type.

As I stated above schmucks who use diuretics to get extra dry "at any cost type" probably shouldn't even be cycling. Diuretics have a specific use and they work to offset the water retention, keeping BP line. Monitoring BP is vitally important to your organs