Peptides (GHRPs anyway) have significant data showing they're actually cardio PROTECTIVE. google GHRP and heart failure and you'll see nothing but positive data.
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Peptides (GHRPs anyway) have significant data showing they're actually cardio PROTECTIVE. google GHRP and heart failure and you'll see nothing but positive data.
No buun intended bro ,your post to me was asking how you check it ,so I told you
I sorry for your loss fella BUT you really need to elaborate on WHAT CAUSED you to develop CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE?
Theses are the causes is at least 95% of people
1) HTN especially if untreated
2) Ischemic Heart Disease (blocked heart arteries)
3) Valvular Heart Disease (Bad or dysfunctional heart valves)
4) Idiopathic Cardiomyopathy (meaning the cause is unknown)
Ask you doc which one you had. Also some of this may be eliminated by reviewing certain diagnostic studies such as a "heart cath", Thallium scan. echocardiogram, Cardiac enzymes etc.
Finally I implore you to continue to work bc it's what gives us guys a purpose in many ways to life and fellas who don't work when accustomed to being the primary bread winner INVARIABLY become DEPRESSED.
Now just REFUSE to go there mate! Tell yourself this NOW and do whatever it takes to continue working. That may mean retraining in another field, pursuing a higher education level, or starting a business, etc, BUT JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN my man
Theses are the causes is at least 95% of people
1) HTN especially if untreated
2) Ischemic Heart Disease (blocked heart arteries)
3) Valvular Heart Disease (Bad or dysfunctional heart valves)
4) Idiopathic Cardiomyopathy (meaning the cause is unknown)
Ask you doc which one you had. Also some of this may be eliminated by reviewing certain diagnostic studies such as a "heart cath", Thallium scan. echocardiogram, Cardiac enzymes etc.
Finally I implore you to continue to work bc it's what gives us guys a purpose in many ways to life and fellas who don't work when accustomed to being the primary bread winner INVARIABLY become DEPRESSED.
Now just REFUSE to go there mate! Tell yourself this NOW and do whatever it takes to continue working. That may mean retraining in another field, pursuing a higher education level, or starting a business, etc, BUT JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN my man
Mr.Oz
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Ok as far as my BP I checked it a few times a week with a new digital home monitor I bought that had good reviews on amazon. The few times I "felt" like my BP was a little elevated is when I could feel my blood pumping through my head like pressure and I would get a headache. It would be up a small amount but more so my pulse than anything but it wasn't outta sight. The doctors have been VERY clear that I have no blockages ,no clots, no other heart issue. They did do a heart cath while I was in the hospital and all was good. The reason for the congestive heart failure is due to a damaged heart muscle which from all their testing its caused by a drug. I know millions have done more than me gear wise and had nothing happen,but each body is made differently and reacts differently. Same reason some try drugs once and die,others use for 30 years.There is no exact pinpoint reason why it does some damage to some people and none to others.Looking back I will say this,I don't think its test alone. Each time I did tren after being on it a while I would start to get a slight shortness of breath.This is the exact symptom that started everything.I wrote it off as nothing but a small side affect cause I read that tren can be hard on your lungs and me having a history of childhood asthma I thought it to be expected.AGAIN listen to your body! If I did maybe a little better maybe this would've been avoided. I know you asked how I am progressing.Tell your wife she is doing a good job praying because I get better every single day.I was on life support a week and a half ago and yesterday I drove alone for the first time.I am doing so good compared to where I was at not long ago.Each day I get stronger than the day before.I am believing I will fully recover judging from my progress and yes I wanna go back to working again.I don't know if it will be the same career or not but as long as I am not stuck in the house in early forced retirement cause I think I would go crazy and get depressed.Something else and I don't know if it matters but I did get tren cough pretty good the morning this happened from some getting in the bloodstream,and YES I always aspirate to ensure I wasn't in a vein! Thanks so much everyone for being so kind and approaching this in way that really shows people how meso cares for their own.
Likely the Tren man, happened to a buddy of mine, he went into full arrest. I've never gone past 225 mg weekly and never more than 6 weeks. I always had too much fear and respect for the compound. I hope everything works out for you! Good luck, stay strong
Frank the tank 456
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After reading this thread I now know tren is not for me. I think somebody referred to it as poison too. I could see myself not "respecting" tren when I notice massive strength gains and a "God like" feeling when I'm on. I'll probably be off cycle more then I am on cycle to ensure recovery and keep good health. Also, my second cycle mite be another TEST ONLY cycle. We will see how my overall health and well being is and maybe throw a mild to moderate dose of DECA in one day.
Yes man the gains are god like because of the change in composition of the body + the insane strength gain while lowering bodyfat all simultaneously. Best to either stay away from it completely or stick with respectable doasge. Like 75mg MWF.
Frank the tank 456
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I honestly didnt think the positives of tren outweigh the negatives at all. I did a paltry 50mg EOD and STILL had massive panic attacks, my bp shot through the roof, insomia, and no gains over what I wouldve had with a basic test cycle. The shit is straight up poison in my opinion, and after that one three week attempt at using it I swore off of it for good.
Almost 8 years since no Tren Ace, fooled around with Tren E for a few weeks then launched it.
Actually it sounds like you had "idiopathic cardiomyopathy" where the cause is unknown. Many cases of ICM might could be determined or better categorized if a cardiac biopsy was performed.
However bc such a procedure is not without inherent risks and the treatment of CHF is roughly the same it has become somewhat "academic".
There is a lot of complications from AAS we just don't know about and "myocardial injury" from their prolonged and or excessive use is certainly a concern based on recent evidence. It certainly is plausible for a drug to cause what is referred to as systolic or diastolic dysfunction and as a result LIMIT EXERCISE tolerance as one of the signs of a problem.
Those who chose to use AAS need to understand there are inherent risks, both known and unknown. MODERATION IS KEY, (and it doesn't hurt to have good genes either) IMO
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And you are not the only mate that has expericnced this effect or depressed exercise tolerance when cycling Tren especially at "higher dosages".
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Ive run tren A daily at 100mg for a year straight and never had a heart issue. Im 43 and have run 2-4 grams a week for very long periods of time and other than the BP going up a bit and coughs Im still at it. You are totally right when you say every person is different. When I get really heavy like up in the 270z I have a hell of a time breathing and getting around, but most guys who pack on a ton of weight will have breathing issues and sleep apnea... high BP. You will recover and when you do now you know what you cant do and thats juice. My father had a major heart attack and had his aorta valve replaced and once he was feeling like his old self he started acting like his old self and one day he went for a swim while drinkinking and who knows what else and bam lights out! Once you get a scare like the one you have its a game changer.
How do you KNOW you've never had a heart issue? Have you had a stress test or any cardiac testing performed.
I ask bc the effects of cholesterol, DM, smoking are well established to be cumulative and perhaps that's the case with AAS also!
Reflecting back at the number of patients who complained about reduced exercise tolerance, in the absence of other risk factors, I'm now taking a closer look at AAS, Tren in particular, and their ability as POTENTIAL cardio toxins.
I ask bc the effects of cholesterol, DM, smoking are well established to be cumulative and perhaps that's the case with AAS also!
Reflecting back at the number of patients who complained about reduced exercise tolerance, in the absence of other risk factors, I'm now taking a closer look at AAS, Tren in particular, and their ability as POTENTIAL cardio toxins.
rogert208
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I hope you feel better brother. I've been on a cycle for 2 yrs now. It's hard for me to stay off. I have so much of it. I switch it up. But I'm always on test. I'll be honest to myself I'm addicted to gear. I guess we all have a short coming and this one is mine. I'll keep you in prayer brother.
MisterBiggins
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A couple of years ago I got a headache so bad I couldnt see. I went of to Mass Genral and went threw more testing than I could list... MRI.. every test... and nothing. No blockage no signs of an anerism. They said my heart looked healthy and my bloods where fine. My BP was up really high from the headache so they gave me some injecction ( I forget what it was) and iv fluids because I was dehidrated.
If I had heart issue they would show up during my regular testing... There are symtoms to heart problems for most people. Sudden heart failure has warning signs. If this guy had a home heart rate monitor he had a heart issue and if he was using tren and working crazy hours... plus training that puts a tremendous amount of stress on the system that is already compromized. I cant spell I know this.
An MRI of the head for aneurysms says nothing about the status of your heart mate and cardiac enzymes are used almost exclusively to "rule out" a heart attack.
Your latter comment is overlooking the fact patients with NORMAL lungs and coronary arteries have a very LARGE cardiac reserve thru which they can compensate and forestall the onset of those signs and symptoms which are most consistent with overt heart failure.
The latter usually occurs when their EF approaches the 25-30% mark, and that can mean a 30-50% reduction in cardiac function has already occurred!
This is considerably different from patients with Ischemic heart disease.
These differences are often only detected when formal "risk stratification" testing is undertaken such as a stress test or echocardiogram.
I'm not saying your at risk bc I don't know but I'll tell you this, I will be doing considerably more stress Echos on AAS users in the future.
Your latter comment is overlooking the fact patients with NORMAL lungs and coronary arteries have a very LARGE cardiac reserve thru which they can compensate and forestall the onset of those signs and symptoms which are most consistent with overt heart failure.
The latter usually occurs when their EF approaches the 25-30% mark, and that can mean a 30-50% reduction in cardiac function has already occurred!
This is considerably different from patients with Ischemic heart disease.
These differences are often only detected when formal "risk stratification" testing is undertaken such as a stress test or echocardiogram.
I'm not saying your at risk bc I don't know but I'll tell you this, I will be doing considerably more stress Echos on AAS users in the future.
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Take breaks off AAS guys. That's one of if not the biggest factor in this for longevity. Look at the guys from the 70s and 80s. Mostly everyone is still alive or lived a pretty long life. They took breaks back then. You have to let the body recover. I'm 54 and been at this for 27 years. Now watch. I'll probably drop tomorrow.
People don't estimate or take into account "cumulative" effect. It's an excellent point that's often ignored
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