Watson Test-C (Domestic-Supply) - Blood Work - 2/2015 - LabCorp

[jackmeoff1]

There isn't enough pharma gear around for testing in this subject. Truth is testosterone is testosterone regardless what brand UGL or big pharma. Yes there are other matters concerning the difference among each but what we are seeking here is Testosterone levels at peak time. Where is the data that doesn't support our research here? Again speaking of peak time analisys.

Where is the data to support your peak time theory to begin with?

 

[dper726]

This seems to be your baseline when you can't win an argument- insults.

What a coincidence you three disappear and come back around the same time around MESO. And much more... when you do come around you three always stay put on the same thread before you all disappear again and make a return once again "together" and stay concentrated talking to each other (yourself) in the same thread once again.

 

[I_know_nothing]

There isn't enough pharma gear around for testing in this subject. Truth is testosterone is testosterone regardless what brand UGL or big pharma. Yes there are other matters concerning the difference among each but what we are seeking here is Testosterone levels at peak time. Where is the data that doesn't support our research here? Again speaking of peak time analisys.

i agree test is test. however, i also think there are plenty of data points that do not show 10x blood TT levels on pharma gear, from this community and others. the question is, will you accept them? or will you try to discredit the provider and/or procedures like jim has?

your "research" is scally saying what he observed at one clinic. one doctor at one clinic does not speak for much in a scientific sense, he's not peer reviewed, and there's no controls in place. if you are interested in the data and discussion that ive posted before i can send you the link to the thread?

 

[dper726]

Where is the data to support your peak time theory to begin with?

Don't forget this is developmental at the moment. I am not conclusive on the result of the topic. But am leaning towards what clinical data demonstrates. I don't have time at the moment to provide you links. Im simply taking a shit with my phone in hand and decided to chime in on this thread for the time being. But others here have already provided plentiful of data support.

 

[I_know_nothing]

What a coincidence you three disappear and come back around the same time around MESO. And much more... when you do come around you three always stay put on the same thread before you all disappear again and make a return once again "together" and stay concentrated talking to each other (yourself) in the same thread once again.

stop trying to attack the character. there shouldnt be character attacks in science. if you have to revert to attachs on character to debunk our discussion in science, it is clear that you have run out of evidence.

 

[jackmeoff1]

What a coincidence you three disappear and come back around the same time around MESO. And much more... when you do come around you three always stay put on the same thread before you all disappear again and make a return once again "together" and stay concentrated talking to each other (yourself) in the same thread once again.

Obviously you didn't review my post history. I've been here for a bit in many different discussions. Also, I'm in other AAS forums.

 

[dper726]

i agree test is test. however, i also think there are plenty of data points that do not show 10x blood TT levels on pharma gear, from this community and others. the question is, will you accept them? or will you try to discredit the provider and/or procedures like jim has?

your "research" is scally saying what he observed at one clinic. one doctor at one clinic does not speak for much in a scientific sense, he's not peer reviewed, and there's no controls in place. if you are interested in the data and discussion that ive posted before i can send you the link to the thread?

Don't be afraid to voice your opinion. Provide the data from your end. It will not go unnoticed. I guarantee you.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Don't forget this is developmental at the moment. I am not conclusive on the result of the topic. But am leaning towards what clinical data demonstrates. I don't have time at the moment to provide you links. Im simply taking a shit with my phone in hand and decided to chime in on this thread for the time being. But others here have already provided plentiful of data support.

lmao, i appreciate the admittance! i will gladly provide you the thread where i go over the data that supports my reasoning, it's a bit of a long read and science heavy though. i mean i even admitted it could be possible for 10x bloods in the thread, but clearly jim or CBS didnt read my post because they couldve run with that but they didnt. computer simulations showed that at peak stable levels 10x levels could occur but timing your bloods to catch that are neigh imposssible

 

[I_know_nothing]

Don't be afraid to voice your opinion. Provide the data from your end. It will not go unnoticed. I guarantee you.

thank you. here is the thread: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hplc-ms-ap-test-e-npp.134361453/

i start chiming in around page 2 i believe. the debate goes on until page 10-11 i believe? take a look through when you have time. if you need questions or clarifications on anything, please PM or comment back.

 

[dper726]

thank you. here is the thread: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hplc-ms-ap-test-e-npp.134361453/

i start chiming in around page 2 i believe. the debate goes on until page 10-11 i believe? take a look through when you have time. if you need questions or clarifications on anything, please PM or comment back.

I will read into it a little later thank you for providing it. At the moment I am 5 hours moved away from post injection. I am going to blast my legs.

 

[I_know_nothing]

I will read into it a little later thank you for providing it. At the moment I am 5 hours moved away from post injection. I am going to blast my legs.

have a good workout brother and thank you for being open-minded about this topic. would love to hear your input after you read through it!

 

[jackmeoff1]

Don't forget this is developmental at the moment. I am not conclusive on the result of the topic. But am leaning towards what clinical data demonstrates. I don't have time at the moment to provide you links. Im simply taking a shit with my phone in hand and decided to chime in on this thread for the time being. But others here have already provided plentiful of data support.

They didn't though! They just yell very loud.

And any data in the contrary (which I have posted) gets written off as a lie or that The person has some hidden agenda.

 

[Dr JIM]

You have NOT posted but one of your own lab tests to support your assertion the ten times rule does not apply Jack Off nothing more, and since it's obvious you have some hidden agenda in that regard few including myself trust anything you post.

Try another forum to promote your snake oil bc as I've already mentions no one credible is buying what you or your boys are selling on Meso!

 

[Dr JIM]

This seems to be your baseline when you can't win an argument- insults.

Hey it's not my fault your own form of self deprecating humor using an Avatar such as Jack Me Off that ensured you became a target, especially considering how critical your posts have been ever since you decided to "contribute" on Meso, LMAO

 

[Oregongearhead]

Hey it's not my fault your own form of self deprecating humor using an Avatar such as Jack Me Off that ensured you became a target, especially considering how critical your posts have been ever since you decided to "contribute" on Meso, LMAO

Maybe you need a makeover JackMeOff1 ? A COMPLETE makeover ??

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

But be warned. Anyone who intellectually challenges this "rule" is publicly

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

if you have to revert to attachs on character to debunk our discussion in science,

 

[dper726]

thank you. here is the thread: https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/hplc-ms-ap-test-e-npp.134361453/

i start chiming in around page 2 i believe. the debate goes on until page 10-11 i believe? take a look through when you have time. if you need questions or clarifications on anything, please PM or comment back.

I read easily from page 2 all the way to 8 just after it became a merry go round.

That thread doesn't change my perspective on my theory. The word here is "PEAK" and with such i am speaking 24 hours at the earliest convenience. Test results should demonstrate 7x-10x value on blood work from injection amount.

Now there remain many grey areas I predict such as metabolic rate differ from person to person. With such it remains unclear what 48 hours changes present on blood analysis. Other factors such as AI usage and dosage are also put into play of course.

Again it remains very questionable. I don't care what anyone can say at applying a FIX 10x rule to proper dosing indicators. This requires further study. Ive always wanted to be a Guinea pig. Only I have a tendency to test my blood work when my one vial that tests 10x goes near empty. And it isn't fair to judge results from a different vial then after. Also time and money are other factors as well. In the meantime its safe to form a prediction, a safe one being 7-10x is generally an accepted result at 24 hours blood analysis collection.

Edit: I also want to add that 7x might be on the lower end and extremely questionable.

 

[I_know_nothing]

I read easily from page 2 all the way to 8 just after it became a merry go round.

That thread doesn't change my perspective on my theory. The word here is "PEAK" and with such i am speaking 24 hours at the earliest convenience. Test results should demonstrate 7x-10x value on blood work from injection amount.

Now there remain many grey areas I predict such as metabolic rate differ from person to person. With such it remains unclear what 48 hours changes present on blood analysis. Other factors such as AI usage and dosage are also put into play of course.

Again it remains very questionable. I don't care what anyone can say at applying a FIX 10x rule to proper dosing indicators. This requires further study. Ive always wanted to be a Guinea pig. Only I have a tendency to test my blood work when my one vial that tests 10x goes near empty. And it isn't fair to judge results from a different vial then after. Also time and money are other factors as well. In the meantime its safe to form a prediction, a safe one being 7-10x is generally an accepted result at 24 hours blood analysis collection.

Edit: I also want to add that 7x might be on the lower end and extremely questionable.

i'm ok with 7x-10x range, but saying 7x is "extremely questionable" is pushing it IMO. i've seen people on pharma gear test 5-6x. someone else mentioned that boilermech had bloods done 24,48,and 72 hours and 72 hours had the highest TT level, how do we account or explain that?

furthermore, can we really apply a linear rule to increasingly higher and higher doses? at 1g we see 10,000 ng/dL, at 5g we see 50,000 ng/dL, hypothetically if someone were to run 10g/week (~7mL of watson C ED) would we expect 100,000 ng/dL blood levels? I have no evidence for this, but I just don't think that would be reasonable...

 

[dper726]

i'm ok with 7x-10x range, but saying 7x is "extremely questionable" is pushing it IMO. i've seen people on pharma gear test 5-6x. someone else mentioned that boilermech had bloods done 24,48,and 72 hours and 72 hours had the highest TT level, how do we account or explain that?

furthermore, can we really apply a linear rule to increasingly higher and higher doses? at 1g we see 10,000 ng/dL, at 5g we see 50,000 ng/dL, hypothetically if someone were to run 10g/week (~7mL of watson C ED) would we expect 100,000 ng/dL blood levels? I have no evidence for this, but I just don't think that would be reasonable...

Many questions still at large. For now what we can assume is that anything under 7x at 24 hours is under dosed. And its the greatest tool we can use against labs with all the wrong intentions.

Again its only an assumption, its far from concrete proof. Just so happens many things point in this direction.