Watson Test-C (Domestic-Supply) - Blood Work - 2/2015 - LabCorp

[jackmeoff1]

="dper726, post: 1216486, member: In the meantime its safe to form a prediction, a safe one being 7-10x is generally an accepted result at 24 hours blood

There is a difference between having a personal opinion in what you think as an acceptable range (what you seem to be saying) vs. passing it off as objective. The ladder is what some members here consistently do.

I can care less about ANY UGL, but it's just not fair to use those measures to form any hard conclusion.

 

[jackmeoff1]

Many questions still at large. For now what we can assume is that anything under 7x at 24 hours is under dosed. And its the greatest tool we can use against labs with all the wrong intentions.

Again its only an assumption, its far from concrete proof. Just so happens many things point in this direction.

What about folks on pharmaceutical testosterone who test lower? I see it all the time.

 

[dper726]

There is a difference between having a personal opinion in what you think as an acceptable range (what you seem to be saying) vs. passing it off as objective. The ladder is what some members here consistently do.

I can care less about ANY UGL, but it's just not fair to use those measures to form any hard conclusion.

Scientific theory implied by a plentiful pool suggests evidence is leaning one way and heavy. You seem now to disregard any scientific approach to this. We can either have an open mind on this debate, or we can simply close shop because you seem to have made up your mind leaving behind any scientific reasoning to your claims.

 

[dper726]

What about folks on pharmaceutical testosterone who test lower? I see it all the time.

The biggest question here that a lot of people are ignoring is "TIME of blood drawing". Which is crucial.

When we precisely find this bit of information and of course from a verifiable outlet we can conclude.We can't get any further until two things are united in this study, time of blood drawn with dosage.

 

[Dr JIM]

Not FAIR Whack Off well piss on that shit bc maybe you need to be screwed by a few labs before you can tout such agrandizing BULLSHIT.


Bc it's NOT FAIR, to the mates whom have been screwed and these UGLs only have themselves to blame, bc MANY if not MOST are selling bunk.

Want it to be "fair" then call on these UGLs to post legitimate evidence their products are GTG. Well that won't happen bc shills like yourself cry it's not fair whenever the veracity of these scammers is being questioned.

Well I could care less if it's fair bc my only concern is for the members on this forum and they are the ones whom should be given the benefit of the doubt, rather than some lab that's been in the biz 3 months.

You fellas are obviously going to believe what you want, which is whatever FAVORS UGL, and that fact becomes blatantly obvious for any objective fella who reads your posts.

The data is there but you just don't want to acknowledge it's existence. Crap just look at the difference in PEAK vs NADIR values for the normal adult male circadian rhythm.

To that end this is NOT an opinion based issue it's factual Jerk Off.

Is there a certain degree of variability, ( typically bc people fail to understand the importance of comparing IDENTICAL methodologies) sure but to suggest a 5X peak value is more reliable bc of your single anecdotal experience only reinforces your OBVIOUS UGL BIAS, AGENDA or VESTED INTEREST.

You say that's not true, well your a liar, IMO.

 

[Dr JIM]

i actually have a theory, i think the 10x rule is so heavily pushed because more or less they know it can't be achieved while blasting 500mg+ of any lab, even pharma. now why would they push this? simple, they dont want this to be a sourcing board, there are obviously some members selling in private or over PM and they more or less want users to buy from them rather than public sources, because "oh my gear is much better!" or "oh i use this awesome private lab,i can get you the hook up!"

Again you have no idea what your talking about No Nothing bc not only do the studies support the 10 rule but many mates on Meso have TT values that approximate the 10 X rule, when the analysis is properly conducted.

It's also no surprise then that Dr Scally, myself and several other physicians I know AND work with admit to their patients TT values also approximate the 10X rule.

So why do many TRT docs cite nadir rather than peak values in patients on TRT?

You haven't the faintest idea do you NO NOTHING!

 

[I_know_nothing]

Many questions still at large. For now what we can assume is that anything under 7x at 24 hours is under dosed. And its the greatest tool we can use against labs with all the wrong intentions.

Again its only an assumption, its far from concrete proof. Just so happens many things point in this direction.

so i actually have a few friends on trt now, most in the 150-200mg/wk range. they have no idea about private lab testing, but what exactly do you guys want as proof? i'll pay for their testing because im genuinely interested as well, guys online can say anything they want. tell me exactly what proof you need (being reasonable of course, i will not provide any pics of identifying information, im not sure if they've be comfortable with me taking a pic of their script but ill ask), what timing you want, what dosing schedule, tell me what exactly it is you need and i'll try to set it up the best I can. as long as you dont do what jim does, that is every time i give you the proof you want, you add another caveat or excuse

and again, i have no problem with providing data points and spending time/money to do so, but only if there's value in it. if there are members that are just going to discredit it no matter what i do, there's no way im spending $80-100 to test someone else's blood.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Again you have no idea what your talking about No Nothing bc not only do the studies support the 10 rule but many mates on Meso have TT values that approximate the 10 X rule, when the analysis is properly conducted.

It's also no surprise then that Dr Scally, myself and several other physicians I know AND work with admit to their patients TT values also approximate the 10X rule.

So why do many TRT docs cite nadir rather than peak values in patients on TRT?

You haven't the faintest idea do you NO NOTHING!

oh well "i know several physicians that admit their patients TT values approximate 5X rule". see how easy it is to say that? you've got no proof jim.

you ran away in our debate last time cause you got cornered and couldn't come up with anything. i read through the studies you posted and threw them right back at you. jackmeoff provided all the proof you asked for and then you resorted to "oh AI and HCG will affect blood levels!!" then when some members went "wait a minute...we all run AI, so how can the rule apply to us?"

come on now, bring some better stuff to the table jim.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

come on now, bring some better stuff to the table jim.

You're back to using the KnowNothing handle, huh? Have you given up on Marper already or are you just trying to take the heat off him after I exposed him?

KnowNothing aka Bed_Head77 aka Marper aka Spetz shill, and no doubt countless other impostor accounts.

BTW, I see you're telling people on reddit that you work in the pharmaceutical industry but I don't think being a shill for an UGL is what most people think of when they hear pharmaceutical industry. LMFAO

"Bed_head77 1 point 1 day ago

I work in pharmaceuticals, so there's much sketchiness that goes on and I'm not even at the upper levels. I do agree with what you're saying though. My argument earlier was that we can't completely discredit all data done other than ourselves...otherwise what kind of world do we live in? http://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk/comments/2vwm85/psascience_testosterone_dose_response/"​

Yeah, you're not at the upper levels alright! You're a lackey for an UGL.

Fuck off, shill. Go back to reddit and take your bullshit with you. And take that idiot JerkOff too.

 

[Burrr]

any mates on Meso have TT values that approximate the 10 X rule, when the analysis is properly conducted.

Yes, just browse through the lab tests posted here and gaze in awe at all the 10x blood reports.

 

[I_know_nothing]

You're back to using the KnowNothing handle, huh? Have you given up on Marper already or are you just trying to take the heat off him after I exposed him?

KnowNothing aka Bed_Head77 aka Marper aka Spetz shill, and no doubt countless other impostor accounts.

BTW, I see you're telling people on reddit that you work in the pharmaceutical industry but I don't think being a shill for an UGL is what most people think of when they hear pharmaceutical industry. LMFAO

"Bed_head77 1 point 1 day ago

I work in pharmaceuticals, so there's much sketchiness that goes on and I'm not even at the upper levels. I do agree with what you're saying though. My argument earlier was that we can't completely discredit all data done other than ourselves...otherwise what kind of world do we live in? http://www.reddit.com/r/Steroidsourcetalk/comments/2vwm85/psascience_testosterone_dose_response/"​

Yeah, you're not at the upper levels alright! You're a lackey for an UGL.

Fuck off, shill. Go back to reddit and take your bullshit with you. And take that idiot JerkOff too.

hit me back up when you have some actual things other than character attacks CBS

 

[Dr JIM]

Yes, just browse through the lab tests posted here and gaze in awe at all the 10x blood reports.

If you prefer the term several Burr fine but it's MORE than one.

Perhaps since Angus recently lost his job as the only "fair " UGL analytical tester you can continue your efforts at ensuring UGL are treated in a more equitable manner by becoming Whack OfFs and No Nothing's chief secretary!

Heck maybe the trifecta will give you a cut of the UGL fairness pie or at least a few free samples, huh, NOT.

I'm mean after all you were fantastic parroting the bullshit Angus spewed. So why waste such profound talent, especially since it's the only one you have.

Gotta hand it to ya Burr you know how to pick some real LOSERS. Hmm I wonder why that is? LMAO!

 

[Dr JIM]

hit me back up when you have some actual things other than character attacks CBS

Character, you have none like your bro Beat Off.

 

[Burrr]

Jim, I just like to call bullshit when I see it, and I see it from you often.
Bloods coming back at 10x are a fucking rarity here on meso, and on every other board as well.
Jim, lets see the blood work from your last cycle.

 

[Roid Rage]

hit me back up when you have some actual things other than character attacks CBS

Why don't you just stop acting like an idiot, if you want the big meany to stop attacking your (lack of) character?

 

[weighted chinup]

Bloods coming back at 10x are a fucking rarity here on meso, and on every other board as well.

And why do you think that is, Burr?

Do you think it's because the estimates supported by evidence suddenly don't apply to guys cycling AAS?

Or is it because the majority of UGL's are selling untested gear using the same raw powder sources you and I could probably find within 10 minutes of searching?

What do you think?

 

[Dr JIM]

Jim, I just like to call bullshit when I see it, and I see it from you often.
Bloods coming back at 10x are a fucking rarity here on meso, and on every other board as well.
Jim, lets see the blood work from your last cycle.

Really! Well then it's unfortunate your sight ignored the BS Angus pulled screwing MANY mates selling fake lab analyses.

Oh yea you "call it as you see it" BUT on a very selective and self preservating manner Burr. That's called or referred to as turning a blind eye Burr, which your a master at!

But that's fair and ok right. Well like the losers you choose on Meso to befriend Burr, your more full of lies and BS then they are!

 

[I_know_nothing]

Jim, I just like to call bullshit when I see it, and I see it from you often.
Bloods coming back at 10x are a fucking rarity here on meso, and on every other board as well.
Jim, lets see the blood work from your last cycle.

here burrr, i'll even do the work for them. check out this thread:
https://thinksteroids.com/community...-c-perrigo-blood-work-8-2014-quest.134360058/

OP got 2 blood tests, both were 10x on test C 120mg/wk, which is awesome! but then you have several members saying their results:

oregon: "I only see half that on Watsons test-c 120mg/wk , around 750ng . And I only see 1650ng on 250mg so I would say its overdosed , hot batch....~Ogh", "Its probably 300mg/ml or over . Ive never seen US pharma 120mg/wk = 1400+ng . Or anywhere near that , and I pin 120mg weekly , and test 4x/yr. ~Ogh"

volt: "Agreed you and I have similar numbers on Watson."

birddog: 1700 on 200mg/wk test

br1217: "A good friend of mine recently tested out a 1250 on 160mg/week of Pharmacy compounded test from his TRT doc. Blood was drawn 48 hours after an 80mg injection so it was a peak number"

honestly it's kind of hard to find more results...the search function isnt the best and it doesnt seem like that many trt results have been posted. but of course results from other communities dont count right? only meso post by AM, WKM right? >_<

 

[Burrr]

Two reasons
1. Dr Scallys 10x rule is based on once weekly injections, this will give a bigger spike.
If a guy were to pin 500mg all in one injection he's far more likely to see a 10x number. Few of us pin once a week.
2. It's unlikely that a person will catch the peak level at just the right time with the blood work.

I believe it's bullshit to declare gear underdosed because bloodwork comes back at 6x or 7x after one blood test. It may be underdosed, but that blood work does not give us that conclusion.
There are lots of guys on forums running TRT with a Dr's script and posting blood work. Sometimes we see 10x, but often don't.

 

[I_know_nothing]

And why do you think that is, Burr?

Do you think it's because the estimates supported by evidence suddenly don't apply to guys cycling AAS?

Or is it because the majority of UGL's are selling untested gear using the same raw powder sources you and I could probably find within 10 minutes of searching?

What do you think?

i agree with you the 2nd point. UGL are never ever going to have pharma grade raws.

but i dont agree with you on the 1st point. you cannot apply TRT patients taking 100-300mg/wk from once maybe twice a week injections to steroid users who are using 500mg, 1g+ gear and pinning twice if not more a week. even clinical studies only go up to 600mg, and at the 600mg level we see huge variances, i believe the confidence interval was 1000 ng/dL wide. so to 1. extrapolate what we know to what we think we know is not right and esp not right to make it a rule, and 2. we do not have the evidence to back it up...until someone running legit pharma cyp is blasting 1g+ a week and comes back with 10,000 ng/dL. i mean hypothetically if someone ran 10g/week they're going to come back with blood levels at 100,000 ng/dL? what about 100g/week? would it be 1,000,000 ng/dL? exaggerations for sure, but what i'm saying is that the body has a limit, it's not linear.