Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[muscle96ss]

You are known across the community as a lying sack of shit, though you're too arrogant to realize it.. You are a known scammer with quite the swindling past.. Your at the end if your rope, I and others believe this will be your last big money grab.. Ain't happening here brotato, not fucking here..

I'm curious, what kind of big money grab are we talking about? I mean, it doesn't look like too many people from this board are going to be buying Karl's GH. Even if they do, Karl has already stated that he is basically taking a loss to get things started due to his cost of sending(notice choice of word) 99.5% pure GH to customers. In addition, he is in the hole the amount of money it costs to replace those he sent the bunk scitropin to, as well as the cost of replacing the bad first batch of the new GH he sent out. He stated that he eventually will raise the price once everything is established. So when the scam starts, how many kits is he going to need to sell just to get even, let alone make a big money grab? Where are these customers going to come from?

If he was going to do a scam, the smart thing to do would be to start selling some Chinese generic kits that score high on serum tests. Sell them at a really low price because people are cheap bastards and are going to buy them up like hotcakes if they are scoring good on serums. Then have a huge blowout sale and take off with a bunch of money. There are a couple guys on PM getting ready to do that right now and they are going to make a lot more money than Karl will if he decides to scam.

Once again, I want to clarify, that I am not saying that Karl is manufacturing his own GH from scratch!! I am simply saying that I do not see a scam coming where people get either no product or a GH of different quality than mands received.

 

[Western-Biotech]

JB - you're the liar -

- I begged you to prove u placed an order with me - we both know u didn't as a fact - u lie

- I begged you to show me the mails between us - no such mails - u lie

U post repeatedly nonsense - be my guest

If u like to respect yourself and this forum try to stick with facts u may prove... pls

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I'm curious, what kind of big money grab are we talking about? I mean, it doesn't look like too many people from this board are going to be buying Karl's GH. Even if they do, Karl has already stated that he is basically taking a loss to get things started due to his cost of sending(notice choice of word) 99.5% pure GH to customers. In addition, he is in the hole the amount of money it costs to replace those he sent the bunk scitropin to, as well as the cost of replacing the bad first batch of the new GH he sent out. He stated that he eventually will raise the price once everything is established. So when the scam starts, how many kits is he going to need to sell just to get even, let alone make a big money grab? Where are these customers going to come from?

If he was going to do a scam, the smart thing to do would be to start selling some Chinese generic kits that score high on serum tests. Sell them at a really low price because people are cheap bastards and are going to buy them up like hotcakes if they are scoring good on serums. Then have a huge blowout sale and take off with a bunch of money. There are a couple guys on PM getting ready to do that right now and they are going to make a lot more money than Karl will if he decides to scam.

Once again, I want to clarify, that I am not saying that Karl is manufacturing his own GH from scratch!! I am simply saying that I do not see a scam coming where people get either no product or a GH of different quality than mands received.

I hope he stays in the freaking hole too and never gets off the ground!! Though I have my doubts that he actually is in the hole..
How much scriptropin did he actually replace?? Most people that buy don't even post, a lot probably don't even know they got bunk shit because unfortunately no one freaking tests and the ones that did and realized they were fucked likely just wrote it off.. That's just what most people do..

I do not understand why anyone would take a chance given his reputation.. You're a smart guy muscles, you know he's not making this shit and certainly doesn't have millions invested.. Why order from such a blatant liar?! How can anyone trust a guy like this enough to send hundreds of dollars to Israel?? Makes no sense to trust his product when he's lying his ass off about everything else, this is a joke..

I'll be back a little later.. For the record, I don't think you're a shill.. I think you have too much time invested in this at this point to let it go and your pride also won't let you..

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

JB - you're the liar -

- I begged you to prove u placed an order with me - we both know u didn't as a fact - u lie

- I begged you to show me the mails between us - no such mails - u lie

U post repeatedly nonsense - be my guest

If u like to respect yourself and this forum try to stick with facts u may prove... pls

FUCK YOU YOU FAT ISRAELI PIECE OF SHIT!! I told you a dozen fucking times this was over a year and a half ago, I don't have the emails anymore.. My whole fucking experience with you has been documented many times over on this forum..

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

If u like to respect yourself and this forum try to stick with facts u may prove... pls

Quite ironic you'd say this though given you haven't proved a single one of your bullshit claims here you limp dick fuck..

 

[Western-Biotech]

JB - M my brands are out there for quite some time, and we know that there are from the known once, and successful ones, I guess there is a reason for it, and again I'll be happy if u may show me I scammed anyone.
Dr Jim mentioned here, and we all know that the production of the GH costs millions, so lets once and for all test and see if I manufacture it or not, I offered multiple solutions, and u still posts nonsense childish BS instead of getting to the truth

time will tell, and not much time

 

[tileguy123]

damn guys are we selling gh here or arguing the fuck out of shit?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

damn guys are we selling gh here or arguing the fuck out of shit?

I'm staying in this thread from now on until he fucking leaves.. I'll say whatever I want to this cocksucker after my experience with him, thanks..

 

[Marcus]

And Brutus, pls show me one GH supplier who submitted mess spec and a valid one ? lets start with one GH supplier who submitted any test ?!

I posted SDS-page, SEC and biological assay tests. I specified last week which tests we'll run on the new batch, and this set correlates perfectly to USP/parallel standards, and I will

Each time that u post nonsense or childish curses u simply express impotent to show any valid data or prove any of your claims, so pls ....

Karl, the difference is that you are claiming to be a GH manufacturer, not a supplier. Herein lies the ridiculous nature of your claim. It has been weeks and weeks of all of us asking, and although some may believe these tests will help your case and some don't think it will matter, you have PROMISED these tests and continuously fail to produce them.

Instead you make claims like the one above. Shouldn't you as a "manufacturer" of pharma quality GH be held to a higher standard and have the ability to produce these tests? I don't think the answer to this is comparing yourself to the other labs that do not produce testing that should be at your fingertips with the kind of lab you claim to have.

 

[brutus79]

And Brutus, pls show me one GH supplier who submitted mess spec and a valid one ? lets start with one GH supplier who submitted any test ?!

I posted SDS-page, SEC and biological assay tests. I specified last week which tests we'll run on the new batch, and this set correlates perfectly to USP/parallel standards, and I will

Each time that u post nonsense or childish curses u simply express impotent to show any valid data or prove any of your claims, so pls ....

We do not have a single gh manufacturer peddling their wares here. That includes you.

Are you unaware of the difference between a "supplier" and a "manufacturer"? The latter is not you by the way...

 

[tileguy123]

I'm staying in this thread from now on until he fucking leaves.. I'll say whatever I want to this cocksucker after my experience with him, thanks..

JB i dont discourage you from speaking out at all brother. . I just want good GH... I haven't followed the entire thread, and honestly the science of it is a bit out of my mental reach .. .

But i also am growing tired in my GH search. . . while we might have some great hormone sources here on Meso, seems were pretty short handed on on the growth scene. Karl seemed to understand this , as he stated he hoped to resolve the chinese inconsistency issues , and counterfeiting - maybe statements like those are too good to be true.
so what happened to you specifically , a old scriox issue JB? ?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - do u actually read the posts here, among them mine ? or just make claims and accusation according to your agenda ?

Lets pretend u don't have an agenda ...

I posted in advance our set of tests which includes SDS-page, SEC and bioloigical assay tests - these were the tests done of first batches, and guess what .. ? any independent tests incl' Dr Jim tests confirmed them !!!

I said we'll do a broader set of the test to the new batch, I don't do it as and when I wish, it takes a couple of weeks, I offered to talk to my expert to explain why and how, and even posted the whole set of tests we'll do, all adhere to USP standards.

Now for any skeptical member or just a lab test freak pls don't order and don't trust me till I don't release the new batch with the new tests.

For anyone with an interest in the truth, or just curiousity lets arrange cross tests before I post my tests, and try to learn from this if I have full QA ability on my product, and conclude from this on my ability to manufacture the GH.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Brutus - I say again - based on your claims a supplier may easily scam u and get your blessing .... well it's a shame

Regarding the manufacturing issue - I do manufacture, and if u like to refute this claim lets arrange cross tests, or talk to my professor, or do something, any suggestion is welcome, instead of posting nonsense claims ......

 

[Dr JIM]

So are other gh suppliers not subject to scrutiny because they don't claim they manufacture gh themselves or is there something else?

Now that Jim has basically given the green light for Astros gh who's to say Astro won't just switch to a cheaper and less pure gh in the future. Or maybe his gh supplier will switch it up on him. Will he be liable for supplying his own testing and analysis?

What steps should be taken and provided to the community from UGL's who carry and sell non pharm gh?

mands

How can you interpret what I said as some endorsement or green light for Taitropin MANDs?

I only said the tests came out "good" and suggested members should check it out, but also mentioned several other provisos .

Why is your vouching for Karls GH more justifiable?.

The worst thing K ever did was OPEN his mouth on this thread.
He placed the nail in his own coffin not me or you!

 

[Marcus]

Markus - do u actually read the posts here, among them mine ? or just make claims and accusation according to your agenda ?

Lets pretend u don't have an agenda ...

I posted in advance our set of tests which includes SDS-page, SEC and bioloigical assay tests - these were the tests done of first batches, and guess what .. ? any independent tests incl' Dr Jim tests confirmed them !!!

I said we'll do a broader set of the test to the new batch, I don't do it as and when I wish, it takes a couple of weeks, I offered to talk to my expert to explain why and how, and even posted the whole set of tests we'll do, all adhere to USP standards.

Now for any skeptical member or just a lab test freak pls don't order and don't trust me till I don't release the new batch with the new tests.

For anyone with an interest in the truth, or just curiousity lets arrange cross tests before I post my tests, and try to learn from this if I have full QA ability on my product, and conclude from this on my ability to manufacture the GH.

I read every single fucking post here, and almost regrettably... And I hate sometimes that I get drawn back in with this bullshit. Claims according to my agenda? Are you really this ignorant? A businessman of your stature and in the nature of your business should be able to figure out more than this... I had you figured for a brighter man, but I guess I gave you to much credit, Karl. My agenda here is to speak my mind, like 99% of people here. I think it's ironic you ask me about my agenda.

I can see you are going to continuously answer the same way you have been and giving everyone the same run-around. Still no results as usual.

 

[Dr JIM]

JB -
Dr Jim mentioned here, and we all know that the production of the GH costs millions, so lets
once and for all test and see if I manufacture it or not, I offered multiple TIMES bullshit

What test PROVES you make this GH Karl, bc I never said such a test exists, period!

 

[ufcguy32]

Squats/extensions? That is murderous!

I'm dying today unfortunately so is my back. Damn disc. I'm pondering going back to competing again. I just have to prepare mentally for the grind and prepping.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - Not sure what else I may add - you may rely on the SDS-page, SEC and above all out biological assay tests, these are very specific tests which I posted, and you may make same tests and compare to mine. I remind you as you're a follower of this thread that the biological assay tests are the ones to confirm the clinical effect of the GH on human cells.

If these tests are not enough for u then I'm with you, wait a couple of weeks for more tests, and then compare to your tests. Meanwhile if you have any ideas for more tests, or how to conclude from them to my manufacturing ability me and my team are at your service

 

[brutus79]

I'm dying today unfortunately so is my back. Damn disc. I'm pondering going back to competing again. I just have to prepare mentally for the grind and prepping.

I had to do 5 x 5's to start... next week will be 5 x 10 squats and then 10x10...I used to be able to do 255 ten sets of ten... I am a long way away from that now. Especially with back pumps from the orals.

Competing bb or plifting?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Unless I'm mistaken Karl still owes muscles, UFC, and others GH from awhile back.. How do you suppose anonymous testing be done Karl when you can't even fill old orders??

What you mean to say is "send me $400+ so I can have your money for a ridiculous amount of time before I ever attempt to send a goddamn thing".. Fucking joke..