Western-Biotech
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JB - you're simply trolling, you would say any made up lie u can just to amuse yourself
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Marcus
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I assure you he is not making it up
johnnyBALLZ
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Nope, certainly not known here or anywhere else as a liar, nice try..
I do however amuse myself at times..
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
Along with someone else, I'm trying to help a guy figure something out.. If any customer had to send money to China please send me a PM, I won't make anything public..
-Johnny
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Karl dont ask for me to do the work YOU SHOULD HAVE done long ago, it only re-emphasizes how utterly foolish and incompetent you are!
Peat and repeat that's been K's MANTRA throughout this thread. And what is it he repeats over and over again?
ABSOLUTE BULLLLLLSHITTTTT !!!!
Really how many of those mates did you email and converse with? Or isn't it much more likely those it did "work out for" are based on Karls interpretation of "worked out".
Try taking another look at how differently K and his customer BA interpret that term "worked out". IMO they are diametrically opposed views, and in reality are absolute nonsense from a consumers perspective, because yea they worked out, they worked out fine for KARL!!!
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old bro
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i was contacted by two ppl wont give out names an all i got was the quality was good but they too went threw similiar probs aswell not as bad but delays non the less.
I will try my best as you know my predicament.
FYI everybody I'm doing it first and foremost for myself. No compensation from or payback to anyone.
old bro
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At this point if you do get it tested id keep it to your self till this mess gets sorted out. Just what i would do.
TWO out of how many Karl has sold this GH to? If you believe that qualifies as a collective "it worked out for others", and in spite of the problems THEY had, I'm at loss for words, and have you any idea how rare that is, lol! )
old bro
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I have no idea how many others thats just the info i have im sure theres alot who are unhappy as you can tell im not very happy at this point in time either.
old bro
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Also to clarify these ppl contacted me after i had ordered so i didnt use there info to judge if i shld purchase or not.
Hey I understand Karl has an antique rocking chair he was given in an "estate sale" that is worth several thousand bucks, a 1972 VW bug, his third X-girlfriends pearl necklace (of endless sentimental value), and an Sciroxx T-E vial (what else did you expect) signed by X pres Clinton AND Monica L thats worth millions.
Karl is looking to make an exchange but only to the right person, you interested OB ???
Karl is looking to make an exchange but only to the right person, you interested OB ???
Nope, certainly not known here or anywhere else as a liar, nice try..
I do however amuse myself at times..
You better stop that. You might go blind.
Best Steroids
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You are using quotes out of context. I will paste the full PM in below and bear in mind, I am taking this stance after 3 months of excuses and bullshit.
You will not show mands any addys, this is totally unprofessional as these addresses belong to people that have nothing to do with our business except in the role of receiving parcels. I respect my associates' privacy and to allow others to confidential addresses would be a violation of privacy. mands has seen emails between me and my dispatch depot to corroborate my assertions. You may, give him the initial and surname of the recipient (there were two addresses I gave you, you may give the initial and surname of both recipients). On top of that, mands has seen my emails to my dispatch depoartment, suspecting your involvement in the LE visit. It was not a full on raid, it was a visit by LE questioning the lady of the address about links with supplying roids. Naturally she cannot be linked to any roid supply because I am a professional. She was however asked if she knew any bodybuilders, which she doesn't (I use third parties of third parties) due to the fact that people like Karl exist.
This was a virgin address, never used for receiving parcels before. You are the only person I gave this address to for the purposes of sending me HGH (as you could not supply the oils I paid for). I received loose tabs, without packaging, useless to me or anyone else. Reason? You asked for the address so you could ship me hundreds of loose orals and tipped off LE in the hope that I would get nicked and get off your back...NO CHANCE!!
Now here is the full PM I asent you where you claim I threatened to snitch and I will explain below what I meant:
"You really are a simpleton aren't you? Get this through your thick head:
1) I DO NOT WANT YOUR GEAR.
2) I WILL NEVER GIVE YOU ANOTHER ADDRESS.
3) THE ONLY THING I AM WILLING TO ACCEPT IS A FULL REFUND.
Even if your claim to being broke is true (which I don't believe for one second), you could easily redirect customer payments to my receivers. You know that and I know that. Don't make me make the whole thing public!!
Until I get a full refund, I will go on every forum and expose you for what you are, including my suspicions of your cooperation with LE. Readers can draw their own conclusions.. I have already started the ball rolling on Meso:
https://thinksteroids.com/community...ves-customers-info-for-years.134358276/page-2
This is just the beginning fool, I've only just started...you have a very limited time to get your shit together and start making payments. Before I go to the next level!!
(colleague) and (colleague) aren't going to be very happy with you, if you do not refund me quickly!!!!
I will make this whole thing public if I don't get a refund soon. I have already started the ball rolling on Meso"
The PM is there in its entirety. It was one of many sent after 3 months of hearing excuse after excuse.
When I asked for payment details you told me to pay your colleagues and gave me payment details. In my PM, I say "your colleagues will not be happy with you if you don't refund me quickly" because you are damaging their business by not refunding me.
I don't even believe you misconstrued my PM, I believe you misinterpreted it intentionally to throw mud at me in an attempt to discredit me.
Western-Biotech
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Anyone who reads this see the explicit threat u put ! u mentioned the names u know in order to expose, there is no way around it, u should be ashamed even to write it again. I showed all PMs to MAnds - I replied immediately to this PM of yours, and said that you threat on me and u should be ashamed u rat, and u just laughed which really confirms you did threat, u did abused confidential info which is the greatest betrayal in such business. You try to make now excuses for your crime which is pathetic.
Your story on the addy certainly doesn't make any sense, so someone visited her and asked if she knows bodybuilders ? is this something which sounds or looks like investigation ?! only me knows the addy ? how come ? show it to MAnds, I know the addys anyhow so how the hell Mands may risk it ? in this something you've just made up again ? if someone wants to nail u he would send a pack to the addy, and the LE would arrive with it or shortly after, why the hell may I snitch on your addy anyhow ? will it exempt me from my responsibilities ? did me and u had any argument back then whatsoever ?
You make some dangerous lies, just to shame me, it's obvious this is a baseless nonsense
I sent loose tabs as this is the safest way to dispatch these, again you severely exaggerate, you may pack it in one hour, I said I will pay for the repacking, I said afterward that you may keep it as a gift (2.7k usd) but give me a bit time with the delivery of the GH.
You took this whole thing out of proportion and context - me and u have a business issue, I've never said I'm right, I asked for a bit time to fix it and offered a great compensation, I offered u an arbitrary of a mod u bring you and I would have to follow it, and multiple other solutions.
What u do is making up lies on lies that I snitched on your addys, which is a shame even to say as a joke, u say I'm a scammer, AND ABOVE ALL U THREAT IN THE FACE TO SNITCH ON MY WORKERS ?! for what ? for GH I said I deliver in double the paid amount when my new batch is ready ?
Check out each and every post here of my customers on the GH, and see the feedback on the quality, if anyone is delayed he got or will get his order
Your story on the addy certainly doesn't make any sense, so someone visited her and asked if she knows bodybuilders ? is this something which sounds or looks like investigation ?! only me knows the addy ? how come ? show it to MAnds, I know the addys anyhow so how the hell Mands may risk it ? in this something you've just made up again ? if someone wants to nail u he would send a pack to the addy, and the LE would arrive with it or shortly after, why the hell may I snitch on your addy anyhow ? will it exempt me from my responsibilities ? did me and u had any argument back then whatsoever ?
You make some dangerous lies, just to shame me, it's obvious this is a baseless nonsense
I sent loose tabs as this is the safest way to dispatch these, again you severely exaggerate, you may pack it in one hour, I said I will pay for the repacking, I said afterward that you may keep it as a gift (2.7k usd) but give me a bit time with the delivery of the GH.
You took this whole thing out of proportion and context - me and u have a business issue, I've never said I'm right, I asked for a bit time to fix it and offered a great compensation, I offered u an arbitrary of a mod u bring you and I would have to follow it, and multiple other solutions.
What u do is making up lies on lies that I snitched on your addys, which is a shame even to say as a joke, u say I'm a scammer, AND ABOVE ALL U THREAT IN THE FACE TO SNITCH ON MY WORKERS ?! for what ? for GH I said I deliver in double the paid amount when my new batch is ready ?
Check out each and every post here of my customers on the GH, and see the feedback on the quality, if anyone is delayed he got or will get his order
Western-Biotech
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Read again Markus - Best wrote allot of bullshit, so in first glance maybe hard to see, when u write - "(colleague) and (colleague) aren't going to be very happy with you, if you do not refund me quickly!!!!" it means (like anyone knows and understands) that he knows the names of my workers and they are not going to be happy .... mmmm I wonder why this confidencial names won't be happy ?!!! maybe as they're under some danger as Best knows their names, now can u do the simple 1+1 ?
I said after this to Best he's a rat, and he didn't even bothered, he was thrilling, after I said openly he threat on me he made up a cheap excuse...
Why the fuck my guys won't be happy ?
I said after this to Best he's a rat, and he didn't even bothered, he was thrilling, after I said openly he threat on me he made up a cheap excuse...
Why the fuck my guys won't be happy ?
Marcus
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I interpret it differently, that's why I said the miscommunication or misinterpretation seems to be a consistent fallback. It's hard to discern when it is genuine and when it is not. I do not see him threatening to snitch as no one in this business threatens to snitch, they just do it if they are going to.
Okay here it goes. Being a unbiased participant in this recent fiasco(but mands Karl owes you 3 kits you will be biased. I could give a shit less about those kits)I have logged onto both @Best Steroids and @Western-Biotech 's accounts at eroids with their permission and passwords. This right here gave me the first thought that they both seemed pretty damn sure they were confident in what they were personally saying.
While looking into this I was looking for anything that stood out as suspicious. I first looked to see if there were identical numbers on convo's between them or if something was deleted. Both had exactly the same amount 34 in one chain of PM's and 2 others that were individual conversations from just Karl to Best. The PM's I read were from the last few days only. I guess there were some a month or two ago. I did not read those as I just looked at the current ones.
Second, I read through both parties PM's so that I could comprehend what was going on.
Third, I read through them again.
Lastly I have been PM'ing both Karl and Best to let them know what I was doing and then told them I had logged out and to change their password.
Here is my thoughts on the situation.
Both are telling the truth from what I see. Best is pissed(has every right to be) as he ordered a product and it wasn't delivered in a timely manner. He is wanting his money back instead of compensation with GH or AAS. He claims that LE came to his virgin delivery spot but, obviously impossible to prove unless he posted a police report. So this is irrelevant in Karl's eyes as it can't be proven and Karl states he shipped a month ago and Best is just now saying someone visited.
Karl is upset as he is being accused of sending LE to a house which he claims is bullshit in the PM's. Karl is also pissed because Best's statement and I quote:
"This is just the beginning fool, I've only just started...you have a very limited time to get your shit together and start making payments. Before I go to the next level!!
*************** and ************** aren't going to be very happy with you, if you do not refund me quickly!!!!
I will make this whole thing public if I don't get a refund soon. I have already started the ball rolling on Meso" end quote.
Karl has offered more than 6K in compensation to Best. Best does not want compensation.
Karl states that he is sorry he can't pay him back money immediately because money is tied up with this new gh venture and also paying back customers from the scitropin scandal. Best has given alternate ways to send money as to re-direct payments to collectors, etc. to be paid back. Which I see fair.
Standing out looking in, I don't see a scam developing. It's a customer wanting his money back and getting frustrated because the supplier is wanting to send product instead.
My unbiased opinion and if I were to give a suggestion to them individually would be this: I would tell Karl just to figure out a way to give Best his money back. As this would be best for Karl and his reputation. I would tell Best to take one of the options Karl has suggested and extra compensation for more than the initial 6K.
Others might see it differently. I'm just trying to be a mediator because of emotions and language barrier between them.
mands
While looking into this I was looking for anything that stood out as suspicious. I first looked to see if there were identical numbers on convo's between them or if something was deleted. Both had exactly the same amount 34 in one chain of PM's and 2 others that were individual conversations from just Karl to Best. The PM's I read were from the last few days only. I guess there were some a month or two ago. I did not read those as I just looked at the current ones.
Second, I read through both parties PM's so that I could comprehend what was going on.
Third, I read through them again.
Lastly I have been PM'ing both Karl and Best to let them know what I was doing and then told them I had logged out and to change their password.
Here is my thoughts on the situation.
Both are telling the truth from what I see. Best is pissed(has every right to be) as he ordered a product and it wasn't delivered in a timely manner. He is wanting his money back instead of compensation with GH or AAS. He claims that LE came to his virgin delivery spot but, obviously impossible to prove unless he posted a police report. So this is irrelevant in Karl's eyes as it can't be proven and Karl states he shipped a month ago and Best is just now saying someone visited.
Karl is upset as he is being accused of sending LE to a house which he claims is bullshit in the PM's. Karl is also pissed because Best's statement and I quote:
"This is just the beginning fool, I've only just started...you have a very limited time to get your shit together and start making payments. Before I go to the next level!!
*************** and ************** aren't going to be very happy with you, if you do not refund me quickly!!!!
I will make this whole thing public if I don't get a refund soon. I have already started the ball rolling on Meso" end quote.
Karl has offered more than 6K in compensation to Best. Best does not want compensation.
Karl states that he is sorry he can't pay him back money immediately because money is tied up with this new gh venture and also paying back customers from the scitropin scandal. Best has given alternate ways to send money as to re-direct payments to collectors, etc. to be paid back. Which I see fair.
Standing out looking in, I don't see a scam developing. It's a customer wanting his money back and getting frustrated because the supplier is wanting to send product instead.
My unbiased opinion and if I were to give a suggestion to them individually would be this: I would tell Karl just to figure out a way to give Best his money back. As this would be best for Karl and his reputation. I would tell Best to take one of the options Karl has suggested and extra compensation for more than the initial 6K.
Others might see it differently. I'm just trying to be a mediator because of emotions and language barrier between them.
mands
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