Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

Muscles - I respect your insight - me and best agreed that I'll send him GH in our last conversations, I asked for time to accomplish and ship from my new batch and promised a descent compensation. I more then aware and ashamed that I made him wait, but like to other members here I simply asked for the time to accomplish the new batch. At one point best lost his temper and demanded an immediate refund, I asked for a bit time and offered even an additional extra compensation, I also sent him already ~10000 tabs and said it's a gift to please him. When he wasn't pleased and started to make vicious posts I asked him to bring a mod from Eroids for arbitrary, and asked him to stop, I even offered more solutions, it's all in PMs, Mands saw it. Till this point all I did and u may check it is to apologize and look for solutions. After this what best did was a complete crusade of lies - he posted any where that I'm LE, that I snitch on my distributors, that I'm a scammer, and above all said that he will take it to the new level and made an explicit threat using confidential info against my team !

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Muscles - I respect your insight - me and best agreed that I'll send him GH in our last conversations, I asked for time to accomplish and ship from my new batch and promised a descent compensation. I more then aware and ashamed that I made him wait, but like to other members here I simply asked for the time to accomplish the new batch. At one point best lost his temper and demanded an immediate refund, I asked for a bit time and offered an extra compensation, I sent him already ~10000 tabs and said it's a gift to please him. When he wasn't pleased and started to make vicious posts I asked him to bring a mod from Eroids for arbitrary, and asked him to stop, I even offered more solutions, it's all in PMs, Mands saw it. Till this point all I did and u may check it is to apologize and look for solutions. After this what best did was a complete crusade of lies - he posted any where that I'm LE, that I snitch on my distributors, that I'm a scammer, and above all said that he will take it to the new level and made an explicit threat using confidential info against my team !

This is all blabla. Best said he wants his money back - NOTHING ELSE.

We don't need a 1500 word essay, just a yes or no answer. Are you going to give him a refund?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I also sent him already ~10000 tabs and said it's a gift to please him.

Oh now it's 10,000 tabs?? Yesterday you said 2000, Best says a few hundred..

Hey muscles, since I must be one of the ones "flapping my gums" here let me ask you.. How many lies does Karl have to tell in this thread for you you to acknowledge he's a piece of shit??

 

[Western-Biotech]

I said 2000 halo - check my posts, best lies as usual, and I may search for mails and show Mands,

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I also sent him already ~10000 tabs and said it's a gift to please him.

I said 2000 halo - check my posts, best lies as usual

Stop the blabla. Answer my question. Are you going to give Best a refund?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I said 2000 halo - check my posts, best lies as usual, and I may search for mails and show Mands,

Nice fucking try Karl.. The only tabs ever talked about were halo.. You said 2000 tabs were his compensation now you're saying 10,000 tabs were his compensation.. What now you're going to say you threw in var, winny, and dbol when there was no mention of that yesterday??? You just make shit up as you go along and is nauseating.. Caught, again..

 

[muscle96ss]

Oh now it's 10,000 tabs?? Yesterday you said 2000, Best says a few hundred..

Hey muscles, since I must be one of the ones "flapping my gums" here let me ask you.. How many lies does Karl have to tell in this thread for you you to acknowledge he's a piece of shit??

In regards to the Best Steroids situation, what specific lies has Karl told? Mands, who has seen the PM's just stated that from his perspective, they both were telling the truth. So, the person who has seen the facts before his eyes says Karl is telling the truth. You, who have not been involved in this to any degree, nor have you seen the correspondences between the 2 parties, says that Karl is telling lies.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Nice fucking try Karl.. The only tabs ever talked about were halo.. What now you're going to say you threw in var, winny, and dbol when there was no mention of that yesterday??? You just make shit up as you go along and is nauseating..

Like Judge Judy always says, if you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory.

What I don't get are the people who are STILL willing to give Karl the benefit of the doubt as though there's still something left for Karl to prove. There's nothing left to prove - it's over. It's been over for weeks.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

In regards to the Best Steroids situation, what specific lies has Karl told? Mands, who has seen the PM's just stated that from his perspective, they both were telling the truth. So, the person who has seen the facts before his eyes says Karl is telling the truth. You, who have not been involved in this to any degree, nor have you seen the correspondences between the 2 parties, says that Karl is telling lies.

Keep defending your boy...

I actually did see some of the correspondence from Best himself(not that has anything to do with what I said), you'd think since you seem to have everything figured out you'd know that..

Karl lied by saying 2000 tabs as compensation yesterday and 10,000 today.. You read any of those posts??

 

[Western-Biotech]

JB - it's a fact that about 10000 tabs were delivered (I may check, possible a bit less, don't catch me on an exact number), among them 2000 halo. I may look at mails and show Mands, you may check my PMs as well, what is here to argue ?

I want now that best sends these halo for testing, you'll confirm perfect purity, very rare for halo, so is with other tabs, lets test what he got

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Oh now it's 10,000 tabs?? Yesterday you said 2000, Best says a few hundred..

In regards to the Best Steroids situation, what specific lies has Karl told?

The lies are in the first line of Johnny's post that you just quoted.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

JB - it's a fact that about 10000 tabs were delivered (I may check, possible a bit less, don't catch me on an exact number), among them 2000 halo. I may look at mails and show Mands, you may check my PMs as well, what is here to argue ?

I want now that best sends these halo for testing, you'll confirm perfect purity, very rare for halo, so is with other tabs, lets test what he got

Nope.. Going out, be back..

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

JB - it's a fact that about 10000 tabs were delivered, among them 2000 clens.

Clens, halos, preperation-H... it changes by the minute.

What’s in a name? that which we call a liar
By any other name would smell as rank;
So Karl would, were he not Karl call’d,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title.

 

[Marcus]

Mands - Thanks for stepping in and taking the time to try and sort things out and get a resolution. Most of the people here just flap their gums and talk about how they want whats best for the community and simply want the truth. However, they do nothing but talk shit and contribute to the problem whereas you have actually done something positive to try and get a resolution and get the truth out. Thats kind of been one of main points in this thread is there is a lot of talk without any action. So, your efforts are greatly appreciated here!!

Also people don't really seem to care what the facts are and what is relevant as is clearly displayed in this situation. We have a "he said, she said" argument and not a single person other than mands has seen the e-mails or knows what the actual facts are, yet everyone has already made their decision on who is guilty and voiced it loudly. How can you guys do that when you don't have all the facts?

Anyway here is my opinion in case anybody really gives a shit. I think it all comes down to what was the original agreement between Best and Karl? Why did it not go off as planned? And lastly, was the agreement then bilaterally changed and what was the new agreement? The bottom line is that Karl broke the original agreement and a refund could have been asked for at that time when it was broken. If a new agreement was then made and Karl has lived up to his end thus far then I can understand Karl's position. In other words, if Best was told that it would take time and he agreed but is just getting impatient, then thats on Best for making the agreement as he knew what he was getting into. This is assuming that Karl portrayed the wait time accurately.

So, I think the most pertinent info that needs to be presented is what were the specifics of teh modified agreement or was there ever even an actual meeting of the minds on a modified agreement? If there was no meeting of the minds or amended agreement, then Karl clearly needs to refund Best the money if that what Best is requesting.

Muscle, I try and keep an open mind with you and I do believe you have a lot to offer, but when you over generalize and say everyone has made up there mind, it makes me think you don't see the whole picture.

I have a difference in opinion with you about the PMs, however I stated that I could be wrong in my interpretation and I understand how Karl could see it this way too. End of that story. I then offered a solution, Karl owes best money by his own admission, however Karl wants to repay in different product than ordered. Therefore for this reason and the possible visit from LE best wants his money back, not product.

I offered a solution, nothing more.

Muscles - I respect your insight - me and best agreed that I'll send him GH in our last conversations, I asked for time to accomplish and ship from my new batch and promised a descent compensation. I more then aware and ashamed that I made him wait, but like to other members here I simply asked for the time to accomplish the new batch. At one point best lost his temper and demanded an immediate refund, I asked for a bit time and offered even an additional extra compensation, I also sent him already ~10000 tabs and said it's a gift to please him. When he wasn't pleased and started to make vicious posts I asked him to bring a mod from Eroids for arbitrary, and asked him to stop, I even offered more solutions, it's all in PMs, Mands saw it. Till this point all I did and u may check it is to apologize and look for solutions. After this what best did was a complete crusade of lies - he posted any where that I'm LE, that I snitch on my distributors, that I'm a scammer, and above all said that he will take it to the new level and made an explicit threat using confidential info against my team !

Karl, as I stated, he wants money, not product... I understand that you are unhappy about whatever transpired, so is he. Would it not be best to squash it and repay him in money and not product now? Since he paid you for a product that you did not provide.

 

[muscle96ss]

Keep defending your boy...

I actually did see some of the correspondence from Best himself(not that has anything to do with what I said), you'd think since you seem to have everything figured out you'd know that..

Karl lied by saying 2000 tabs as compensation yesterday and 10,000 today.. You read any of those posts??

If you read what I posted, you would see that I am not defending Karl. As I clearly stated, unless there was a meeting of the minds on an amended agreement, then Karl is on the hook. And even with an ammended agreement, if Karl had violated it by taking too long then he would be on the hook as well. I somewhat doubt that there is an ammended agreement with specifics, but don't have access to that information. Perhaps Karl can post some quotage from it.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

If you read what I posted, you would see that I am not defending Karl. As I clearly stated, unless there was a meeting of the minds on an amended agreement, then Karl is on the hook. And even with an ammended agreement, if Karl had violated it by taking too long then he would be on the hook as well. I somewhat doubt that there is an ammended agreement with specifics, but don't have access to that information. Perhaps Karl can post some quotage from it.

Alright, I agree with you there but that's not what I'm talking about!! Have you been reading any of the posts in the past 45 min??

 

[muscle96ss]

Muscle, I try and keep an open mind with you and I do believe you have a lot to offer, but when you over generalize and say everyone has made up there mind, it makes me think you don't see the whole picture.

I have a difference in opinion with you about the PMs, however I stated that I could be wrong in my interpretation and I understand how Karl could see it this way too. End of that story. I then offered a solution, Karl owes best money by his own admission, however Karl wants to repay in different product than ordered. Therefore for this reason and the possible visit from LE best wants his money back, not product.

I offered a solution, nothing more.


Karl, as I stated, he wants money, not product... I understand that you are unhappy about whatever transpired, so is he. Would it not be best to squash it and repay him in money and not product now? Since he paid you for a product that you did not provide.

While the PM's from the past 2 days are helpful to decipher who is telling the truth, they are irrelevant in terms of they have nothing to do with what the actual original and amended agreements were. Those agreements are what binds them and should determine who broke them and is at fault.

 

[muscle96ss]

Alright, I agree with you there but that's not what I'm talking about!! Have you been reading any of the posts in the past 45 min??

What has changed over the past 45 minutes?

 

[Western-Biotech]

I showed Mands PMs, we concluded on GH, it takes time as u know, I offered great compensation, I called for arbitrary after all of this to settle this, I posted it, nothing here justify crusade of lies, accusing me in snitching on addys while avoiding my demand to prove it (he may post the paper work in the addy and show to Mands, I know the addy anyhow, how can it risk now anyone ? Mands will snitch on a flagged addy ? it all makes no sense ! of course it's not, it's a lie.
Above all I can't figure pout how threatening on my team is being accepted.
Again - if I'm dangerous to best then sending him money is much more problematic then money, again nonsense lies

 

[Marcus]

While the PM's from the past 2 days are helpful to decipher who is telling the truth, they are irrelevant in terms of they have nothing to do with what the actual original and amended agreements were. Those agreements are what binds them and should determine who broke them and is at fault.

True... However both sides are saying that best is owed money, the negotiation is how the compensation should be paid. If you were being held out on for product or money for 3 months in any case, would you not want a refund regardless?