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[Best Steroids]

Read again Markus - Best wrote allot of bullshit, so in first glance maybe hard to see, when u write - "(colleague) and (colleague) aren't going to be very happy with you, if you do not refund me quickly!!!!" it means (like anyone knows and understands) that he knows the names of my workers and they are not going to be happy .... mmmm I wonder why this confidencial names won't be happy ?!!! maybe as they're under some danger as Best knows their names, now can u do the simple 1+1 ?

I said after this to Best he's a rat, and he didn't even bothered, he was thrilling, after I said openly he threat on me he made up a cheap excuse...

Why the fuck my guys won't be happy ?

I really don't know why you are continuing with this ridiculous line that I threatened to snitch/grass. Our PM's have been pasted in. You know and I know there was no such threat. I would never inform on my worst enemy, it goes against my nature.

Karl you are one sorry SOB. You have shown your true colors and now everyone knows what will happen if they order from you.

I actually don't know how you have time to be writing all this shit when you are supposed to be overseeing mass production of hgh as well as looking after your other lines.

I'm done talking. You either refund me or don't.

 

[Best Steroids]

"if someone wants to nail u he would send a pack to the addy, and the LE would arrive with it or shortly after"

Is that how you normally do it? That would mean you would have to be liaising with LE from the beginning. I assumed you just tipped em off after you sent it...wtf!!

My receiver got a knock on the door from LE. Fact is, it happened and I sent correspondence to mands to substantiate this.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I really don't know why you are continuing with this ridiculous line that I threatened to snitch/grass. Our PM's have been pasted in. You know and I know there was no such threat. I would never inform on my worst enemy, it goes against my nature.

Karl you are one sorry SOB. You have shown your true colors and now everyone knows what will happen if they order from you.

I actually don't know how you have time to be writing all this shit when you are supposed to be overseeing mass production of hgh as well as looking after your other lines.

I'm done talking. You either refund me or don't.

Check your PM in a minute.. In the mean time, did you receive all of these different types of tabs (none of which were mentioned yesterday) below?:

I'm sorry - I follow now records - the number 10000 is not accurate. We aim to ship packs below 1000 gr to the UK, usually the net content is about 800gr, based on this number I calculated the estimated 10000 tabs. I see now that he got among tabs some 50mg (active material) bigger tabs among them proviron, aromadex, and clomi which weight more then double then the 10mg tabs, so the number is lower, anyhow the estimated value of 2.5-3k usd is still valid

Realized your first story didn't work, huh? I don't think this one is true either..

 

[muscle96ss]

Now CBS of course it makes sense if you believe Karl walks on water bc he supplies (directly or indirectly) your monthly GH and AAS needs.

That in addition to the advertisement fees to "founding members" of forums like PM.

MH revealed his allegiance long ago and he walks alongside K bc that's where the money is, pure and simple.

And there are none who have a greater vested interest in the
outcome of this thread (and Ks GH) than MH, excluding K himself!

No doubt if MH ever had ANY sense of objective reasoning, it was lost on his first post which states "let me say I do not support Karl"! Yet in this same post declares; "I just got my results back from my serum test on Karl's GH ..... 26.8!"

(How prophetic neither K nor MH posted the actual lab tests on Meso, but they ARE available on PM, care to explain why that is, NOT!)

What's even more telling is, "I just report what I see and do my best to protect the honest and expose the dishonest" LMAO!

Why is it then MH not once have you been overtly critical of K throughout this ENTIRE thread.

Please explain why you have never "exposed" Ks fabrications that ring so loud as to proclaim, liar?

Why were you able to expose a Chinese GH scam that K had bought into, but have been unable to repeat that same miraculous feat this time around?

Oh I know why, bc K pays your rent.

Jim, you are nothing but a fucking idiot who lacks all common sense, and who is obviously jealous that I am a founding member, since you bring it up in every post. Read what I wrote!!! Read it again and again til you understand it!!!

This is a very simple contracts case. Either there was an agreement and modified agreements or there weren't. Have you seen the agreements? I sure haven't and am not aware of anybody seeing them, including mands at this point. So how can you decide who is right and who is wrong without even knowing the fucking agreement?? Please tell me!!! The solution is simple - Karl needs to produce the bilateral agreement and show that he did not violate it by taking too much time. If he can do that, then he is in the right. If he can't do that, then Best is in the right. I also already stated that I am somewhat dubious that he can provide this. So, if you read what I wrote, you would understand that I am more likely than not in agreement with you on the resolution.

Also, something to look at. Mands stated that both parties are telling the truth and both parties believe what they are saying. Therefore you simply have 2 guys with a disagreement, nothing more. Neither one of them has to be made out to be a bad guy or a liar. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the GH issues we have been debating about in this thread. So quit acting like an idiot and look at this from a logic and common sense standpoint. Dragging my name into it as if I am supporting someone in this argument and as if money has something to do with what I am writing, is completely ludicrous. And if you really, truly believe that then perhaps you should join Karl at his psychiatric appointments that you have recommended.

 

[Dr JIM]

Karl I suspect we all KNOW since you can't fulfill the terms of either the first, second, third or whatever "agreement" number YOUR on today, just refund Bests money and do what's "HONEST" for a change!

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Jim, you are nothing but a fucking idiot who lacks all common sense, and who is obviously jealous that I am a founding member, since you bring it up in every post. Read what I wrote!!! Read it again and again til you understand it!!!

This is a very simple contracts case. Either there was an agreement and modified agreements or there weren't. Have you seen the agreements? I sure haven't and am not aware of anybody seeing them, including mands at this point. So how can you decide who is right and who is wrong without even knowing the fucking agreement?? Please tell me!!! The solution is simple - Karl needs to produce the bilateral agreement and show that he did not violate it by taking too much time. If he can do that, then he is in the right. If he can't do that, then Best is in the right. I also already stated that I am somewhat dubious that he can provide this. So, if you read what I wrote, you would understand that I am more likely than not in agreement with you on the resolution.

Also, something to look at. Mands stated that both parties are telling the truth and both parties believe what they are saying. Therefore you simply have 2 guys with a disagreement, nothing more. Neither one of them has to be made out to be a bad guy or a liar. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the GH issues we have been debating about in this thread. So quit acting like an idiot and look at this from a logic and common sense standpoint. Dragging my name into it as if I am supporting someone in this argument and as if money has something to do with what I am writing, is completely ludicrous. And if you really, truly believe that then perhaps you should join Karl at his psychiatric appointments that you have recommended.

C'mon muscles, agreements, bilateral agreements, violations of agreements, contractual issues... Seriously?!

This is a freaking black market drug deal !! If (back in the day) I front the money for coke and the guy shows up with a half pound of weed we're going to have some real problems... I don't care what you say about my analogy, I'm sure others will agree it's the same freaking thing..

 

[muscle96ss]

C'mon muscles, agreements, bilateral agreements, violations of agreements, contractual issues... Seriously?!

This is a freaking black market drug deal !! If (back in the day) I front the money for coke and the guy shows up with a half pound of weed we're going to have some real problems... I don't care what you say about my analogy, I'm sure others will agree it's the same freaking thing..

Its a business transaction between 2 businesses trying to work together. Just because the product is AAS doesn't mean you ignore the ethics of right and wrong and how to do a transaction. I guess street rules apply here and Best should just goto Israel and blow Karls head off. Thats what would of happened if this was a typical drug deal.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Its a business transaction between 2 businesses trying to work together. Just because the product is AAS doesn't mean you ignore the ethics of right and wrong and how to do a transaction. I guess street rules apply here and Best should just goto Israel and blow Karls head off. Thats what would of happened if this was a typical drug deal.

Wasn't quite thinking "blow his head off" but yea there are repercussions dealing face to face.. You don't ignore the right and wrong of how to do a deal face to face either?? You're proving my point, what's yours??

 

[Dr JIM]

There will be no damn "agreement" and that's why I call you MH!

Your clearly implying simple email communications are appropriately construed as a legal document worthy of binding arbitration, which shall be conducted on another forum, SUCH AS EROIDS, where Karl is a SORCE is an equitable and "honest" solution.

LMFAO absolutely mindless but true to form, MH.

 

[Best Steroids]

Jim, you are nothing but a fucking idiot who lacks all common sense, and who is obviously jealous that I am a founding member, since you bring it up in every post. Read what I wrote!!! Read it again and again til you understand it!!!

This is a very simple contracts case. Either there was an agreement and modified agreements or there weren't. Have you seen the agreements? I sure haven't and am not aware of anybody seeing them, including mands at this point. So how can you decide who is right and who is wrong without even knowing the fucking agreement?? Please tell me!!! The solution is simple - Karl needs to produce the bilateral agreement and show that he did not violate it by taking too much time. If he can do that, then he is in the right. If he can't do that, then Best is in the right. I also already stated that I am somewhat dubious that he can provide this. So, if you read what I wrote, you would understand that I am more likely than not in agreement with you on the resolution.

Also, something to look at. Mands stated that both parties are telling the truth and both parties believe what they are saying. Therefore you simply have 2 guys with a disagreement, nothing more. Neither one of them has to be made out to be a bad guy or a liar. And this has absolutely nothing to do with the GH issues we have been debating about in this thread. So quit acting like an idiot and look at this from a logic and common sense standpoint. Dragging my name into it as if I am supporting someone in this argument and as if money has something to do with what I am writing, is completely ludicrous. And if you really, truly believe that then perhaps you should join Karl at his psychiatric appointments that you have recommended.

I will clear this up very easily. karl agreed to ship me oils. He took my money, was unable to ship me what i ordered so offered to ship me hgh... I agreed. This was over three months ago and I have had no hgh. He tried to appease me by sending me a load of loose tabs which I didn't ask for and don't want. I will send them back.

I'm not sure why there is so much debate. I sent him 6K for an order...he has not been able to fulfill his obligations so he should refund me!

Am I missing something?

 

[Dr JIM]

Yea MH explain what part of that "agreement" your having such difficulty with ?

Oh I know, it's the part where you tell Karl he erred (AKA he Fed up, AGAIN)

Fact is, most on this thread have already been there and done that at least once EXCEPT, YOU!

 

[Best Steroids]

JB - it's a fact that about 10000 tabs were delivered (I may check, possible a bit less, don't catch me on an exact number), among them 2000 halo. I may look at mails and show Mands, you may check my PMs as well, what is here to argue ?

I want now that best sends these halo for testing, you'll confirm perfect purity, very rare for halo, so is with other tabs, lets test what he got

The guy sends me loose tabs that I never asked for, rattling around in a plastic bag. He has striped me, refused to refund me, stolen my money and he is now asking me to go and get them tested for him...WTF!! You couldn't make this up!!!

 

[Dr JIM]

Now hold on one minute BS are you suggesting KARL of Sciroxx is telling customers to "go ahead and test my product" ?

Golly must be some bad ass shit if K is willing to let people test his stuff man!

LMAO!

 

[Dr JIM]

The guy sends me loose tabs that I never asked for, rattling around in a plastic bag. He has striped me, refused to refund me, stolen my money and he is now asking me to go and get them tested for him...WTF!! You couldn't make this up!!!

... couldn't make this shit up? You got that right, unless your some unproclaimed movie director,

 

[ironwill1951]

karl you obviously have no pride or dignity and certainly no common sense,
you cant believe that you could possibly turn this around and have meso members be customers, if you do you have a problem with reality, give this up and leave with the little bit of dignity you have left..

 

[Jimmyhoffa59]

Karl, how come if you run some multi million trillion dollar super awesomo GH manufacturing facility; you can't precisely tell people when their shit will be ready? Did I miss the part where your out of the loop in your own manufacturing process or am I high? (Which is possible)


If I was making meth, which is far less complicated I hear; I could tell my customers when Id have more, down to the hour...just sayin.

If I was a smart man, which im not, the fact that you don't have a timeline that is accurate and guaranteed to give your customers for their product directly blows a hole in the claim you make the shit, your a reseller. Just like tweakers.

 

[muscle96ss]

I will clear this up very easily. karl agreed to ship me oils. He took my money, was unable to ship me what i ordered so offered to ship me hgh... I agreed. This was over three months ago and I have had no hgh. He tried to appease me by sending me a load of loose tabs which I didn't ask for and don't want. I will send them back.

I'm not sure why there is so much debate. I sent him 6K for an order...he has not been able to fulfill his obligations so he should refund me!

Am I missing something?

If he agreed to ship you GH without any delays, then yes you are due a refund. Karl, the balls in your court to show that the agreement was something different than is being portrayed here.

 

[muscle96ss]

Yea MH explain what part of that "agreement" your having such difficulty with ?

Oh I know, it's the part where you tell Karl he erred (AKA he Fed up, AGAIN)

Fact is, most on this thread have already been there and done that at least once EXCEPT, YOU!

The part I am having difficulty with, is the part that none of us have seen, which is the actual agreement. Don't you get it? Anybody can post anything they want, it doesn't make it true. I don't necessarily believe people at face value, especially when I don't know them. In return, I don't expect them to necessarily believe me. So I rely on evidence or proof. Everyone here seems to have made a decision on who is right and who is wrong, yet nobody knows what specifically was discussed behind closed doors. Anybody here can takes sides and make all the arguments they want. That doesn't change the fact that we don't know the specifics of the agreement. However those specifics need to be known to decide who is right. I agree that it probably isn't going to turn out in Karl's favor; but I can't make that conlusion without until I have the facts of the agreement. You guys go at things backwards here at Meso. You make a bunch of accusations and take sides against the source, and then seek the facts.

 

[Marcus]

The part I am having difficulty with, is the part that none of us have seen, which is the actual agreement. Don't you get it? Anybody can post anything they want, it doesn't make it true. I don't necessarily believe people at face value, especially when I don't know them. In return, I don't expect them to necessarily believe me. So I rely on evidence or proof. Everyone here seems to have made a decision on who is right and who is wrong, yet nobody knows what specifically was discussed behind closed doors. Anybody here can takes sides and make all the arguments they want. That doesn't change the fact that we don't know the specifics of the agreement. However those specifics need to be known to decide who is right. I agree that it probably isn't going to turn out in Karl's favor; but I can't make that conlusion without until I have the facts of the agreement. You guys go at things backwards here at Meso. You make a bunch of accusations and take sides against the source, and then seek the facts.

So what your saying is that if there was said agreement in writing and let's say it said Karl agreed to repay him in GH and that's it... Then it would be ok for Karl to repay him in 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years? Who sets these time constraints? Assuming that it's not in the agreement. We already know how much bullshit Karl says regarding timelines (there is no arguing this), so when does it become unreasonabley past the time he should've repaid?

Do you see my point muscle? It's not black and white. Mands laid it out in a simple way, there are is much grey area, but you are not going to find something so cut and dry like this. You can choose a stance or not, I don't care, but I doubt you'll ever find exactly what you're looking for.

 

[muscle96ss]

So what your saying is that if there was said agreement in writing and let's say it said Karl agreed to repay him in GH and that's it... Then it would be ok for Karl to repay him in 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years? Who sets these time constraints? Assuming that it's not in the agreement. We already know how much bullshit Karl says regarding timelines (there is no arguing this), so when does it become unreasonabley past the time he should've repaid?

Do you see my point muscle? It's not black and white. Mands laid it out in a simple way, there are is much grey area, but you are not going to find something so cut and dry like this. You can choose a stance or not, I don't care, but I doubt you'll ever find exactly what you're looking for.

I believe I already talked about this in an earlier post. 3 months is excessive time. Unless it was mentioned ahead of time that it could take this long, then no that is not acceptable. Like I said earlier as well; to me it is up to Karl to prove that there was a modified agreement discussing the length of the possible delays. The reason being, Karl is the one that wasn't able to fullfill the initial agreement. He stated earlier that he has e-mails to prove the agreement, so lets at least give him that opportunity(and yes, in a reasonable amount of time as I already know what type of smart-ass sarcastic response Dr. Jim is going to post).