Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Marcus]

I believe I already talked about this in an earlier post. 3 months is excessive time. Unless it was mentioned ahead of time that it could take this long, then no that is not acceptable. Like I said earlier as well; to me it is up to Karl to prove that there was a modified agreement discussing the length of the possible delays. The reason being, Karl is the one that wasn't able to fullfill the initial agreement. He stated earlier that he has e-mails to prove the agreement, so lets at least give him that opportunity(and yes, in a reasonable amount of time as I already know what type of smart-ass sarcastic response Dr. Jim is going to post).

My belief is that if Karl had explicitly stated that in 4 months (or whatever) he would have GH for best, then best would not have gone out of his way to jump the gun and all of sudden say, fuck that... I'm not waiting this extra time now that I was originally ok with waiting and that we had agreed upon.

The other reason I am going to defer better judgement to Best in regards to the timeframe of delivery and repayment, separate from all issues here, is that Karl broke this original agreement and did not ship what was ordered (by his own admission).

Now you might defer to Karl because you have had a positive business transaction with him.

 

[OdieM]

This is nuts. I took a interest in this post because Karl is a source on another board that I am apart of. You knew that he was wanting a large sum of a certain product and that he was sending a large amount of cash. Why would you wait till you received the money to tell him that you don't even have it. Why do you keep leading him and everyone on. How come you can't just say it will be about two weeks and be HONEST. IF you have a lab then you would have a time line of some sort. You have been in the game for over a decade. You know that this is so unacceptable. If you would of done this on the forum that I am apart of there would be no discussing this shit. You would be banned. You did a horrible thing by taking a members money and not having product. If you just would be honest and quit putting out bogus time frames then it might be acceptable but probably not. I am appalled at what I see here.

 

[old bro]

This is exactly where my prob was and i said you shld be up front if theres delays and if they choose to order so be it. Hell i was gonna order another product from k but it was delayed i had the option so i declined i wish i would have gotten the option with the gh aswell.

 

[Western-Biotech]

I've just joined u.
Old bro - there is no slight chance that you won't get your GH very very soon, as all orders are taken care, I offered to each customer to get from current batch or wait for new one, and I simply follow their instructions, I think that you may confirm all of this now, and above all this give a feedback on the quality soon, I don't know details as u don't supply them to me, which I respect. You may check other feedback here like from Romaleos - I delayed his order till new batch, but when he said he wants the current batch he got it within 3 days. There are some holidays last couple of weeks, you may all confirm this, so 3 days can't be accomplished, anyhow you'll get it. Pls test it

 

[old bro]

Well ive sent emails all week with no response.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Doesn't make sense bro, I'll PM u, I always reply to mails in 12 hours

 

[old bro]

Nope emailed twice atleast since tuesday

 

[Western-Biotech]

Man - just keep us updated - I know it must land - mail me again later to my Gmail - never issues there

 

[Western-Biotech]

Regarding best - I may let Mands look at my mails. I offered to best GH, he was interested, I asked for time to accomplish it, no precise date was discussed, it was very clear that it'll take me time to accomplish this.

I suffered from multiple seizures so I couldn't supply oils back then, this is quite known story which were on news where I'm at, anyhow I may show Mands tracks of serious deliveries which were seized then.
You have to realize that best is a big customer, he orders more then all of u together, so it's of my interest to supply to him, and keep him happy, these 6k or actually 5k is what he may order twice per month, so it would be very very stupid to cause issues from my side instead of earning his business, I simply encountered a problem, but would and will never avoid it. I supply such amount of products easily in the USA on daily basis by Sciroxx, this is an issue in another location.

The tabs was sent to best after he confirmed me to send them - this is all in mails - Mands may confirm this. I'm aware that best is delayed so I offered them as a gift.

I come here as I respect this place, and I do respect any post here (at least most of them), members here who say I should refund him to keep business ethics may be right, no matter if we had a specific agreement or not, they just ignore the vicious damage he's done instead of taking this to arbitration, or such solutions. When best started to bash me I didn't make any offense but apologized and u may see it in my posts on other forum, I ask him to make an arbitration with a mod he may bring and I would follow any decision, and offered also other solutions, and a very generous ones. So far to this point I do feel that I did what I could. Best simply instead of letting me fixing it came any where he could to inflict as much damage to me and simply spread the lowest level lies and bullshit, and keep doing it, and he did threat on me, and would continue with this unless I called him out openly, and possibly he will fulfill his threat, a man who threat to snitch, may and will snitch, such things don't appear in the vocabulary of any descent man, especially not in this biz.

THIS ISSUE SHOULD BE CONCLUDED BY ARBITRATION LIKE I OFFERED, YOU'RE REWARDING BEST FOR HIS SHAMELESS DANGEROUS BEHAVIOR BY LETTING HIM USE MESO AS A PLATFORM FOR HIS LIES.

Best - I know what a seizure looks like, as I said if some one visited a lady's address and asked if she knows bodybuilders (?!) it's not a seizure based on any snitch of someone, this is a lame story. say one want to snitch on u he would arrange a delivery of few packs, all will be recorded and then LE comes with proves, I know it as I've been there, so stop bullshitting here everyone with nonsense stories, you spread baseless accusation, you make up stories that you could prove to Mands if were right, but again you just use any lie u can

 

[Best Steroids]

In regards to the Best Steroids situation, what specific lies has Karl told? Mands, who has seen the PM's just stated that from his perspective, they both were telling the truth. So, the person who has seen the facts before his eyes says Karl is telling the truth. You, who have not been involved in this to any degree, nor have you seen the correspondences between the 2 parties, says that Karl is telling lies.

The PM's mands was privy to, were very recent, 3 months after failing to ship me what I asked for. Karl has given me a different excuse on a daily basis (sometimes several different ones on the same day) from labeling issues right through to two of his distributors getting busted. Now call me skeptical but they can't all be true, they contradict each other!

Unfortunately, unlike Karl, I delete all my emails regularly, for safety reasons, therefore I am unable to provide correspondence between Karl and I about what was said back in June when I first made my order. I can however clarify this and I can't imagine that Karl will deny my account of events or have a different version because if I ever agreed to wait in excess of 3 months for products that I did not want in the first place, I wouldn't be kicking up a stink.

This is my versions of events below. I challenge Karl deny that this is how it happened:

1) BACK IN LATE JUNE KARL PROMISED ME HE COULD AND WOULD SEND ME HIS WHOLE SCIROXX LINE AS SOON AS HE GETS MY MONEY.
2) EARLY JULY I SENT KARL 6K
3) A WEEK AFTER RECEIVING MY MONEY, HE TELLS ME HE IS HAVING PROBLEMS AND CANNOT HONOR HIS END OF THE BARGAIN BUT OFFERS ME HGH INSTEAD. I WANT AND ASK FOR A REFUND BUT HE TELLS ME HE CANNOT DO THAT SO I AGREE TO THE HGH AND TELL HIM TO SHIP IT OUT, WHICH HE PROMISES TO DO IMMEDIATELY.
4) NOT LONG AFTER HE CLAIMS HE IS HAVING PROBLEMS SHIPPING THE HGH AND ASKS FOR MORE TIME. I AM NOT HAPPY AND ASK FOR A REFUND WHICH HE CLAIMS HE CANNOT DO, SO I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO WAIT.
5) 3 MONTHS ON AND NO HGH (WHICH I DIDN'T WANT IN THE FIRST PLACE), SO I WARN HIM THAT IF HE DOES NOT SORT THIS QUICKLY, I WILL GO TO THE OPEN FORUMS. HE TELLS ME IT WILL TAKE A FEW MORE WEEKS AND ASKS ME TO WAIT...I REFUSE.
6) OVER 3 MONTHS AFTER SENDING MONEY AND NOT RECEIVING WHAT I AGREED TO, I GO TO THE OPEN FORUMS TO EXPOSE KARL'S LOUSY BUSINESS ETHIC, EVASIVE WAYS AND LIES.

Our public correspondence between Karl and me can be viewed on his review thread on eroids. This will corroborate everything I have said.

http://www.eroids.com/reviews/lab/sciroxx

If you click on the ask and discuss tab you will go to his discussion thread which will expose his duplicitous ways in the fact he refused to discuss it there, in the hope that my our posts would get deleted from his review thread for not being reviews.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Well I have E-mails, and I assume that u either, it's very convenient to say you don't, the fact that u can't provide a prove is an excuse.

We concluded I get u GH and it was 5-6 weeks ago, after I realized my EU location is locked, I asked for time, just like asked here customers. I'm far away from proud in this, but this was the situation. U agreed. I offered a very generous compensation for this mess. U attacked me on Eroids without a warn, I apologized openly to u, and by PM, I can't deny my commitment, and you would be supplied with what I promised as a fact. At this point I offered several immediate solutions which I could fulfill, and also offered an arbitration which I would have to respect. Mands saw all of this.

U you ignored my offers and started a crusade of sheer lies, unbearable threats, and more lies, this is all black on white, I can repeat on it, but wouldn't like to weary the readers here with this again and again.

 

[Best Steroids]

Well I have E-mails, and I assume that u either, it's very convenient to say you don't, the fact that u can't provide a prove is an excuse.

We concluded I get u GH and it was 5-6 weeks ago, after I realized my EU location is locked, I asked for time, just like asked here customers. I'm far away from proud in this, but this was the situation. U agreed. I offered a very generous compensation for this mess. U attacked me on Eroids without a warn, I apologized openly to u, and by PM, I can't deny my commitment, and you would be supplied with what I promised as a fact. At this point I offered several immediate solutions which I could fulfill, and also offered an arbitration which I would have to respect. Mands saw all of this.

U you ignored my offers and started a crusade of sheer lies, unbearable threats, and more lies, this is all black on white, I can repeat on it, but wouldn't like to weary the readers here with this again and again.

You are a source and this is how you treat your customers. I am a source too and I have never ever had any issues coming anyway close to what is happening here. I would never take a customer's money if I did not have the product ready to ship. If this happened unwittingly, I would refund it immediately.

I don't know what all the arguing is about. YOU TOOK MY MONEY, YOU HAVE NOT SENT ME WHAT I ORDERED, GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK !!!

I never agreed to wait this long and even if I did and changed my mind (which I didn't) I would be entitled to a full refund having not received a single product that I asked for.

See below proof that I did not and do not agree to wait any longer:

• karlsx
• 3 days ago
• @Best Steroids

Has happened to me that a supplier owed me products for few months, so happened to me infront of customers, for instance this year I owed customers GH for few months as I got scammed heavily in Chia, this is what we got the Somastim for, all of my customers got their replacement till last penny and u may inquire. I simply wait for new batch done after an upscale process which is bit delayed, we're working around the clock and most issues are solved, like we agreed you'll get, you may check out the review for this pharma grade product - Soamstim.

don't get me wrong, I justify you, I compensate you, and ask for few weeks, possibly less. Lets carry this to mail

I state that u get what u pay for within few weeks, possibly less, as a fact by my word.

You may consider the 10000 tabs u got so far as a gift

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• SRC
• 647

• • reply
• Best Steroids
• 3 days ago
• @karlsx

OMFG...your excuses change on a daily basis!! I agreed to take the GH instead of the oils I ordered, three months ago!! Now you want me to wait for another few weeks...WTF!!!

THE ANSWER IS NO!!! GIVE ME A FUCKING REFUND!!!

 

[Western-Biotech]

This is last 3 days silly, we concluded before this that I get u the GH as a fact and u know this, and I explained I need time, but you'll be very pleased with the quality and will be compensated. These are facts. you know it, Mands knows it. when u said what u said above in public I offered few immediate solutions, asked you to stop doing this in public and offered immediately to carry this to an arbitration. Again - we concluded I get u GH, and compensate u, say u want an immediately refund suddenly, talk to me, not in public, show minimal respect instead of making as much damage as possible and try to reach a solution. Ok I understood your anger, I apologized and offered an arbitration, we could conclude it the same day with the help of a mod u choose. I don't have to tell u that you have the right to attack me in public, u have the right to although it's not descent considering my approach, it's ok, but to come to any forum and say I'm LE, that I snitch on my distributors and show links that has nothing to do with me, saying that I snitch on your addy while have a lame story and no prove, and above all threat on my team, this is all unacceptable

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

This is last 3 days silly, we concluded before this that I get u the GH as a fact and u know this, and I explained I need time, but you'll be very pleased with the quality and will be compensated. These are facts. you know it, Mands knows it. when u said what u said above in public I offered few immediate solutions, asked you to stop doing this in public and offered immediately to carry this to an arbitration. Again - we concluded I get u GH, and compensate u, say u want an immediately refund suddenly, talk to me, not in public, show minimal respect instead of making as much damage as possible and try to reach a solution. Ok I understood your anger, I apologized and offered an arbitration, we could conclude it the same day with the help of a mod u choose. I don't have to tell u that you have the right to attack me in public, u have the right to although it's not descent considering my approach, it's ok, but to come to any forum and say I'm LE, that I snitch on my distributors and show links that has nothing to do with me, saying that I snitch on your addy while have a lame story and no prove, and above all threat on my team, this is all unacceptable

What is wrong with you? Give him his money you cheap fuck.. You're impossible to deal with, I'm glad everyone is seeing this..

 

[Western-Biotech]

Listen fucker, if he would come to a fair arbitration I would have to do whatever he asks, and possibly also compensate him, the guy make vicious lies to hurt me, threat in the face on my team, and now I have to reward him for being a rat, and obey to whatever he says ? I told him back then, be cool and I'll be cool, instead I have to fear for the safety of my team, and see everywhere I snitch on my guys, that I'm LE and any bullshit he may make up, all cheap lies

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Listen fucker, if he would come to a fair arbitration I would have to do whatever he asks, and possibly also compensate him, the guy make vicious lies to hurt me, threat in the face on my team, and now I have to reward him for being a rat, and obey to whatever he says ? I told him back then, be cool and I'll be cool, instead I have to fear for the safety of my team, and see everywhere I snitch on my guys, that I'm LE and any bullshit he may make up, all cheap lies

Bullshit, but even IF that's true you're trying to justify stealing his $6000 !! Cheap Israeli goat fucker..

 

[muscle96ss]

Karl, wouldn't is just be easier to give him his money back at this point? You guys obviously aren't going to conduct any future business and he has received nothing that he ordered. Give him his money back minus your actual cost of the tabs and then when you receive the tabs back, give him the remainder due. This should have happened in the very beginning when you couldn't provide the oils that you both agree were the original deal. The fact that he asked for a refund after the original deal went sour makes all amended agreements irrelevant.

 

[Western-Biotech]

I will not steal shit, I know my commitments, he's out of line, and instead of shame him for his heavy shit, and ur concentrated in products he already got and will/would get anyhow

 

[Western-Biotech]

I'll send him the products I said I will, and we agreed I will. If u were the mediator (for instance), like I suggested him, and u would say I need to pay I would have to respect this, I asked him to cooperate with me by multiple ways, he shames me with bullshit, I wrote to him, I've tried everything, he preferred a war based on lies, and now he asks for the trophy of being a liar ! If you ask for what I feel as fair I say I wouldn't send him shit now, he's a rat, but out of respect to this forum, to you, and to my original commitment I'll send him what I said I would, and do it as fast as I can to get this rat off my neck

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I'll send him the products I said I will, and we agreed I will. If u were the mediator (for instance), like I suggested him, and u would say I need to pay I would have to respect this, I asked him to cooperate with me by multiple ways, he shames me with bullshit, I wrote to him, I've tried everything, he preferred a war based on lies, and now he asks for the trophy of being a liar ! If you ask for what I feel as fair I say I wouldn't send him shit now, he's a rat, but out of respect to this forum, to you, and to my original commitment I'll send him what I said I would, and do it as fast as I can to get this rat off my neck

Mands was pretty much the mediator, he said you should pay.. He didn't rat on anything what the fuck?? Justifying your scamming ways still I see.. Who in their right mind would do business with you?!