Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Marcus]

Thanks @mands

 

[mands]

I will answer any other specific questions about the PM's on a case by case basis if necessary.

mands

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - he made an explicit threat that I don't follow his terms he'll make these guys not happy... mmm ... I wonder how, and what is more clear then this ?

 

[old bro]

Id say its pretty straight forward and about what i thought it wld be.

 

[old bro]

Markus - he made an explicit threat that I don't follow his terms he'll make these guys not happy... mmm ... I wonder how, and what is more clear then this ?

It does sound bad but no worse then keepin 6k for three months so i can see why hed be a tad pissed.

Shldnt be goin that far but given the amount i think anyone wld go overboard.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I'm just trying to be a mediator because of emotions and language barrier between them.

That's no fun, Mands. I was hoping you came back with one of these:

 

[Western-Biotech]

Old Bro - I sent him products in 2.7k which I said is a gift just to keep him happy, and gave my word to send GH in 11k, I've never said I'm the right here, but he took it indeed to another level, I offered fair solutions and he threat to expose my guys, and say I snitched on him, in other places in the real world it would be the lowest most unacceptable thing to do

 

[old bro]

Like i said over board but given the amount sent you have to understand anyone would react the same. Whn you run an illegal bizz things can be taken to an extreme.

 

[Marcus]

Markus - he made an explicit threat that I don't follow his terms he'll make these guys not happy... mmm ... I wonder how, and what is more clear then this ?

When you use the word snitch, I keep thinkin you mean to LE... Is that what you mean? Because him bringing up your shortcomings to your business colleagues is hardly snitching in my book. I don't see anywhere that he threatened to mention anything to LE or bring them into it and that's the definition of a snitch

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - when he says some very sensitive names and say they won't be happy it has in life only one explanation, he doesn't have to say I will go and tell LE the names ..... these names has no reason to be not happy as money collectors unless they're being snitched on, period

I also made sure to express my disgust from this and called him a rat, and he was amused, if one is misunderstood in this biz he would say immediately that I didn't understand what he says, and he just want us to play fair or whatever... no it's crystal clear he threaten on me with the most sensitive info. He made up much later an attempt to say he didn't threat to snitch when I said I show it to mods, what a bullshit ...

 

[Flounder]

Here's a concept for you to consider Karl. How about you stop accepting money for product you do not have in stock? It just seems to be a recurring theme with you. How many people are waiting for product from you, whether it is gh or sciroxx, because you accept their funds but don't have said product in stock. Stop using peoples funds to finance your operation and you will avoid issues like this.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Alright.. He could've meant anything by what he said the more I think about.. He could've been threatening to snitch, talk to them, or track them down and attempt to get his money back from those that collected it.. There is no proof of a threat to snitch so shut the fuck up Karl, you're just trying to distract from the issue of taking his money and not filling his order.. You're not as slick as you think, shyster.. People see through your bullshit like a clean glass window..

 

[Western-Biotech]

Flounder - agreed, respected and applied - test me.

You'll learn from feedback, and may learn already, if there is a missing order is landed or will very soon, check feedback of real customers. Anyhow T/A for Sciroxx is less then a week in the USA

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Flounder - agreed, respected and applied - test me.

You'll learn from feedback, and may learn already, if there is a missing order is landed or will very soon, check feedback of real customers

Hey dumbfuck.. In the past 24 hours there are 2 REAL CUSTOMERS with such feedback in this thread, old boy paid you over a month ago, nothing.. BS paid you over 3 months ago for AAS and you're trying to get away with sending him your new bullshit batch of GH whenever you raise enough money to buy it!!

Feedback looks pretty bad and so do your spin jobs..

"Test me"?? You mean send your broke ass money right??

 

[Western-Biotech]

I really assume that old bro will get his order soon, as I know any order is taken care, I tried to contact him, but he likes to keep it anonymous which I respect.

 

[Flounder]

Flounder - agreed, respected and applied - test me.

You'll learn from feedback, and may learn already, if there is a missing order is landed or will very soon, check feedback of real customers. Anyhow T/A for Sciroxx is less then a week in the USA

What? Are you really trying to preach that line with me? I follow your threads and am well aware of your situation. So why did you accept BS's funds with no Sciroxx product for him in stock? Do you really think your business model is good? When people order one product but are then forced into accepting other products because you don't have the original product in stock is not a good way to run a business. Stop accepting funds unless product is in stock. It's that simple Karl.

 

[Marcus]

Markus - when he says some very sensitive names and say they won't be happy it has in life only one explanation, he doesn't have to say I will go and tell LE the names ..... these names has no reason to be not happy as money collectors unless they're being snitched on, period

I also made sure to express my disgust from this and called him a rat, and he was amused, if one is misunderstood in this biz he would say immediately that I didn't understand what he says, and he just want us to play fair or whatever... no it's crystal clear he threaten on me with the most sensitive info. He made up much later an attempt to say he didn't threat to snitch when I said I show it to mods, what a bullshit ...

I see how you can interpret it this way. I was about to say after I read this lemme step back and see if anyone else can see merit in what you say, and the next post JB confirmed that. So while I understand that you may feel this to be a threat, I see it as a misinterpretation and again, we can just agree to disagree on this one. I don't think he was threatening to snitch, but I can see how can be seen this way.

But we're past that now, Best doesn't want your product because of great personal security and safety, wouldn't it be in both parties best interest to put this to redt in the form of a cash refund. Best obviously doesn't feel comfortable receiving product from you, and regardless of anything that happened at the address that it was shipped to, money that's owed going on 3 months now, seems it should be refunded in good faith to future clients and customers here. Would you agree?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Flounder - I will explain here openly - we are not operative in Europe, we're fully operative in the USA, I posted on it where I promote, this happened last months while starting to work with him, I was even fool enough to offer to best to show him a dozen of tracks which were seized to my location which tells the story, but luckyly I didn't, I'll be happy to show it to Mands ! I said and specified it to best, despite I had issues I offered various solutions for much higher amounts then he paid, and we concluded to go with the GH, the tabs I had left were dispatched to him, and I said is a gift.

I agree with you that this is bad business, but Best issue is an exception, and I did offer multiple descent solutions. I process more then a dozen of orders per day, and u may follow my threads on major forums to confirm all lands in time in the USA, also watch for feedback on quality.

I said that I respect and take seriously your remark, watch this thread and see how orders with GH are getting along

 

[Western-Biotech]

Markus - I offered Best many solutions according to my abilities at the moment, among them arbitrary, I begged him not to do what he did, but he enjoyed doing it, he did threat to snitch, it was clear to him that I took it as a threat, and he did threat. Best made up the story of me danger him as a cheap excuse now for me not to ship to him, but he asked me to send money to his money collectors or bank accounts which actually put him in much more danger if I'm a LE like he said, so this safety thing is bullshit as usual. If best and me would handle it like men and chose u (for instance) as the mediator I would have to respect your opinion and decision, and this is what I did offer, but Best enjoyed to spread lies, vicious lies, hurt my rep anywhere he can, and threat in the face to snitch on me, I'm not sure how u let it go away, but I can't, the safety of few families is on the line here

 

[muscle96ss]

Okay here it goes. Being a unbiased participant in this recent fiasco(but mands Karl owes you 3 kits you will be biased. I could give a shit less about those kits)I have logged onto both @Best Steroids and @Western-Biotech 's accounts at eroids with their permission and passwords. This right here gave me the first thought that they both seemed pretty damn sure they were confident in what they were personally saying.

While looking into this I was looking for anything that stood out as suspicious. I first looked to see if there were identical numbers on convo's between them or if something was deleted. Both had exactly the same amount 34 in one chain of PM's and 2 others that were individual conversations from just Karl to Best. The PM's I read were from the last few days only. I guess there were some a month or two ago. I did not read those as I just looked at the current ones.

Second, I read through both parties PM's so that I could comprehend what was going on.

Third, I read through them again.

Lastly I have been PM'ing both Karl and Best to let them know what I was doing and then told them I had logged out and to change their password.

Here is my thoughts on the situation.

Both are telling the truth from what I see. Best is pissed(has every right to be) as he ordered a product and it wasn't delivered in a timely manner. He is wanting his money back instead of compensation with GH or AAS. He claims that LE came to his virgin delivery spot but, obviously impossible to prove unless he posted a police report. So this is irrelevant in Karl's eyes as it can't be proven and Karl states he shipped a month ago and Best is just now saying someone visited.

Karl is upset as he is being accused of sending LE to a house which he claims is bullshit in the PM's. Karl is also pissed because Best's statement and I quote:

"This is just the beginning fool, I've only just started...you have a very limited time to get your shit together and start making payments. Before I go to the next level!!

*************** and ************** aren't going to be very happy with you, if you do not refund me quickly!!!!

I will make this whole thing public if I don't get a refund soon. I have already started the ball rolling on Meso" end quote.

Karl has offered more than 6K in compensation to Best. Best does not want compensation.

Karl states that he is sorry he can't pay him back money immediately because money is tied up with this new gh venture and also paying back customers from the scitropin scandal. Best has given alternate ways to send money as to re-direct payments to collectors, etc. to be paid back. Which I see fair.

Standing out looking in, I don't see a scam developing. It's a customer wanting his money back and getting frustrated because the supplier is wanting to send product instead.

My unbiased opinion and if I were to give a suggestion to them individually would be this: I would tell Karl just to figure out a way to give Best his money back. As this would be best for Karl and his reputation. I would tell Best to take one of the options Karl has suggested and extra compensation for more than the initial 6K.

Others might see it differently. I'm just trying to be a mediator because of emotions and language barrier between them.

mands

Mands - Thanks for stepping in and taking the time to try and sort things out and get a resolution. Most of the people here just flap their gums and talk about how they want whats best for the community and simply want the truth. However, they do nothing but talk shit and contribute to the problem whereas you have actually done something positive to try and get a resolution and get the truth out. Thats kind of been one of main points in this thread is there is a lot of talk without any action. So, your efforts are greatly appreciated here!!

Also people don't really seem to care what the facts are and what is relevant as is clearly displayed in this situation. We have a "he said, she said" argument and not a single person other than mands has seen the e-mails or knows what the actual facts are, yet everyone has already made their decision on who is guilty and voiced it loudly. How can you guys do that when you don't have all the facts?

Anyway here is my opinion in case anybody really gives a shit. I think it all comes down to what was the original agreement between Best and Karl? Why did it not go off as planned? And lastly, was the agreement then bilaterally changed and what was the new agreement? The bottom line is that Karl broke the original agreement and a refund could have been asked for at that time when it was broken. If a new agreement was then made and Karl has lived up to his end thus far then I can understand Karl's position. In other words, if Best was told that it would take time and he agreed but is just getting impatient, then thats on Best for making the agreement as he knew what he was getting into. This is assuming that Karl portrayed the wait time accurately.

So, I think the most pertinent info that needs to be presented is what were the specifics of teh modified agreement or was there ever even an actual meeting of the minds on a modified agreement? If there was no meeting of the minds or amended agreement, then Karl clearly needs to refund Best the money if that what Best is requesting.