Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[mands]

What is there to doubt? I made a random order, sent money, received product and announced I was getting a mass spec and gh serum test on it...

Serum levels were at 25.1 and I lost that from labcorp.

I send vials off for testing and test come back and I post them up showing gh is present. Hplc test shows purity at 99.5%.

Please tell me what is in question? The test? They came from a highly accredited university lab! Myself? I've been around years before some of you even new what MESO was! Karl? He's a business man that wants to make a good product so he can make a shit ton of money!

What the hell and I missing here except a bunch of crusaders thinking they are contributing to the community when in all actuality the are making a joke of MESO.

Those that are skeptics don't buy it! If you do buy it then do your own damn testing. I paid out of my own pocket. I paid for the gh, I paid for my labs and paid for the shipment to be tested. I don't see anyone here doing that with gh! Or even anyone that has access as I do for that type of testing.

So please tell me what are you guys doing for this board?

mands

 

[ufcguy32]

Yes u know u are referring to the other products. It seems like you think every move he makes is a dishonest one. Maybe I Wrong But First It Was He's A Liar And How Dare He Come On Here promoting gh. Then it gets tested by a trusted member here it comes back and it still seems like u think he is gonna suddenly switch the product to a shit one. I've never seen one source on any board get gh tested at 99.5 purity. Rips or mexi or any top gh source all fell short. These came back higher than I've seen. And in case u are wondering I'm still waiting on my order so I'll test it too so I do have money in this as welll

 

[ufcguy32]

I'm on pro muscle. Same handle. I came here originally to view the testing mands put up. Him and I have talked on pro muscle can he can confirm that.

 

[mands]

You sound like you've got a stake in this. Interesting given your new here... Or not

He's on and contributes on more boards than you element!

mands

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

What is there to doubt? I made a random order, sent money, received product and announced I was getting a mass spec and gh serum test on it...

Serum levels were at 25.1 and I lost that from labcorp.

I send vials off for testing and test come back and I post them up showing gh is present. Hplc test shows purity at 99.5%.

Please tell me what is in question? The test? They came from a highly accredited university lab! Myself? I've been around years before some of you even new what MESO was! Karl? He's a business man that wants to make a good product so he can make a shit ton of money!

What the hell and I missing here except a bunch of crusaders thinking they are contributing to the community when in all actuality the are making a joke of MESO.

Those that are skeptics don't buy it! If you do buy it then do your own damn testing. I paid out of my own pocket. I paid for the gh, I paid for my labs and paid for the shipment to be tested. I don't see anyone here doing that with gh! Or even anyone that has access as I do for that type of testing.

So please tell me what are you guys doing for this board?

mands

Are you talking to me @mands ?

I was talking about the dick that slipped out of Karl's mouth saying some Meso members actually owe him something for him actually fixing HIS fuck ups..

I never questioned your tests, only his character which he's revealed himself in this thread..

 

[mands]

I'm not directing anything towards you JB! You shouldn't have to ask! I know the problem you had with Sciroxx products.

mands

 

[ufcguy32]

Maybe I'm not used to people talking this way on a forum. I've been on boards for 16 yrs and I have been burned lost money got fake gh got underdosed over dosed fake gear. I have not had a bad experience with Karl yet. My only complaint is I don't have my stuff yet but that is bc I waited for the second batch for him to fix an issue. I'm waiting on 6 kits. I'll test them. I have a friend who is serostim switching off to use these so we will see what happens. I see both sides of the argument. I guys got bad shit with sciroxx labels. Karl is insisting it was not legit resellers of his products.

 

[element00]

He's on and contributes on more boards than you element!

mands

I've never claimed to contribute on other boards, in fact I've been clear that I have no interest after seeing how I believe they function. Neither do I apologise for being new around here. But to make assumptions that this makes me lacking in the ability to think for myself or contribute to meso, well that's up to others to decide I guess. I don't claim to be an AAS forum expert, but I've certainly seen and done things that has provided me with insight into this space. Fuck, now I feel like I'm justifying myself...

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I'm not directing anything towards you JB! You shouldn't have to ask! I know the problem you had with Sciroxx products.

mands

Ughhh... I know @mands .. Almost immediately regretted posting that but my lil guy is sick and I had to put the phone down..

Now I feel like an ass... But not towards Karl !!

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I've never claimed to contribute on other boards, in fact I've been clear that I have no interest after seeing how I believe they function. Neither do I apologise for being new around here. But to make assumptions that this makes me lacking in the ability to think for myself or contribute to meso, well that's up to others to decide I guess. I don't claim to be an AAS forum expert, but I've certainly seen and done things that has provided me with insight into this space. Fuck, now in feel like I'm justifying myself...

@element00 has been a great guy around here and doesn't need to justify himself.. People will see this however they will..

 

[ufcguy32]

Maybe he should have a stake in the game before he talks about something he doesn't know about. Yes I know the old game. New sponsor new handle blah blah. I've got nothing but my own money and desire to use quality gh on the line.

 

[ufcguy32]

And I am not here to fight I'm here to follow and contribute. This is something I've got an interest in and I appreciate mands. Bc honestly up till now serum test is nice but it still leaves questions about quality purity and he if it is real gh and not some peptide. He provided what we all needed. And at the same time I appreciate that Karl so far has backed up what he promised .

 

[element00]

@element00 has been a great guy around here and doesn't need to justify himself.. People will see this however they will..

Ha ha thanks JB, but yes agree people will have their own opinions on this no doubt

 

[mands]

Ha ha thanks JB, but yes agree people will have their own opinions on this no doubt

Element have you bought gh from Karl? If not I wouldn't comment just to comment! If you have share your experience.

It's a pretty simple concept.

mands

 

[element00]

Element have you bought gh from Karl? If not I wouldn't comment just to comment! If you have share your experience.

It's a pretty simple concept.

mands

Mands, you've been here a long time and that is commendable, but I won't follow directions as to what to have an opinion on. That's also a pretty simple concept

 

[weighted chinup]

What is there to doubt? I made a random order, sent money, received product and announced I was getting a mass spec and gh serum test on it...

Serum levels were at 25.1 and I lost that from labcorp.

I send vials off for testing and test come back and I post them up showing gh is present. Hplc test shows purity at 99.5%.

Please tell me what is in question? The test? They came from a highly accredited university lab! Myself? I've been around years before some of you even new what MESO was! Karl? He's a business man that wants to make a good product so he can make a shit ton of money!

What the hell and I missing here except a bunch of crusaders thinking they are contributing to the community when in all actuality the are making a joke of MESO.

Those that are skeptics don't buy it! If you do buy it then do your own damn testing. I paid out of my own pocket. I paid for the gh, I paid for my labs and paid for the shipment to be tested. I don't see anyone here doing that with gh! Or even anyone that has access as I do for that type of testing.

So please tell me what are you guys doing for this board?

mands

I'm not sure if you were referring to me or not, but I never questioned the testing you did @mands. I wouldn't even know what to look for in a GH HPLC or MS, so the last thing I would do is call foul play unless I had experience in that area.

My comment was meant to be more funny then anything else, It wasn't trying to question your integrity or the tests you had conducted. Comparing UGL to Pharma Manufacturing is something most of us would consider to be a contentious point. Purity isn't the only factor, which is why such a comparison is kind of pointless.

Comparing the production capabilities of an UGL to a company like Serono, Lilly, etc) isn't an easy thing to do, purity aside there are other factors like QA. This is a point I am sure you agree with, and something that can only be proven with time, which is why I think its kind of pointless for anyone to claim 'better than pharma'. It may be true for purity ( I have no idea ) but there are many other factors that can play a role in the quality of product the end user receives.

Even if the product itself is fine, I don't think being a little apprehensive is a bad thing, especially when dealing with UGL.

 

[muscle96ss]

You sound like you've got a stake in this. Interesting given your new here... Or not

He has no stake in it, he was doubtful in the beginning just the like the rest of us. The fact is Karl has proven that he has the product he stated he has; there isn't much more he can do. Time will tell if he can continue to deliver this quality product; but for now it is what he says it is and nobody can deny that fact.

 

[ufcguy32]

I agree with the quality control part. Let's take a wait and see approach. Gh cannot be made in. A bathtub and it's not easy to make like test or aas. He says he has full control and a facility that produces it. He made bold claims .....He backed up the claim with fact. To me in this game if u do that. Then I'm on board and going to support it. Too many guys are looking for short term cash and they split. He stuck it out and is doing something no other sponsor I know of has done. He is the source instead of buying from one. He makes the gh. That truly is the only way to be certain your stuff doesn't get switched out or they scam u. It's a bold move and a big investment . As someone in business I see why did it. Bc in the end he knows no one else has done this and people will pay over and over for affordable pharmacy grade gh over Chinese shit

 

[Voltrader]

Alright before we get this whole thing into an all out war. @mands I know you understand the paranoia here it all just seems to be way to good. In the history of this scene how do these type of events end up? I guess how do we continue to make sure Karl stays on the up and up. I have no access to a mass spec that I 100% know and feel completely sure about the results. If I did I might wait for the next batch and test. I mean I can do igf test those are pretty conclusive. It is no doubt on your part Mands but how do we keep Karl held to this intial level of product. It just has that feel right ...if it is to good to be true?????? I don't think we can knock guys for that type of response. It's like we are waiting for the time to come when something happens. What is the best way to handle this. Karl has to remain accountable and possibly with these initial results even a higher level then anyone has been held before. Really at this point what else is there to do but come to an agreement that one we need incentive forms of credits for testing and we have to agree to keep testing this guy. He came in here and set the bar here well we need to make sure it stAys there period.

I am torn because a part of me wants to stand with JBZ but that is his fight and clearly understandable he has reasonable grudge. Outside of my friendship with him I have no experience with Karl. So we have Anopportunity to put Karl's mouth where his money is and lead the way in testing in keeping source accountable in a public forum. At this point this is all we have and should be good enough. As we all know though history has a way of repeating itself.

I hope there isn't this mad dash. I really hope there are members who really want to hunker down and follow through with all the talk we give about keeping sources accountAble. I fully expect and damn that will have to include me to see a shit load of serum but preferably IGf test done. I am sure after these results we will be seeing new batches real soon.

It is early all I have to say proceed with a high degree of caution and considering the money dropped there is no excuse to not at least run a serum initially and a igf 3 weeks later. 3 weeks is A long time from now. I sure hope my gut is wrong. If things go wrong we will catch it here first and if not we will be known for setting a standard in rigorous testing of a source. Shit I am rambling.... I think you all get my point.

 

[mands]

Mands, you've been here a long time and that is commendable, but I won't follow directions as to what to have an opinion on. That's also a pretty simple concept

You are absolutely correct you can have an opinion about anything you want! The fact is your opinion on this matter has no significance. You have never dealt with Karl, you have never purchased his gh and you have never tested it.

End of story!

Guess what? You think I'm not going to do a serum test and on every batch I order and randomly send it off for testing? If shit doesn't add up I'll be the one informing MESO.

I'm tired and cranky it's been a long day and I'm going to bed.

mands