Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[Western-Biotech]

Regarding the Somastim - if anyone has the slightest doubt, pls place a random order, test it by any standards and confirm all my statements.

As a clear comment - we own the technology, facility and QA unit, I may post HPLC test to any vial which leaves the lab, so you may compare any independent results and confirm what I state again and again - no one with the technology and knowhow has any reason to fuck the quality of the GH, as the actual production is a minor part from the general investment, it's like owning a Ferrari and go with it only on first gear. So I think u may rely on a solid long run quality, but hey ... I'm here 24/7 so you're welcome to make tests on a regular basis, you have my full cooperation.

 

[dnml]

If it's posted on this forum I have every reason to become involved and to whatever extent I feel is necessary, appropriate and/or helpful for Meso members.

Yet what's even more germane, if a post involves GH rest assured I'm much more familiar and qualified to comment on that particular polypeptide AND it's analysis than you will ever be!

Interesting considering your past position on GE-TM generic gh:

...I'm glad such was not the case because you will not locate a more diverse GH product range than what is sold at GETM and I have personally tested FOUR of those products using HPLC and they are unequivocally pharmaceutical grade)


Jimmy

And yet with your self proclaimed qualifications, you were either duped... or a shill left out in the cold, for GE-TM.

IMO this makes you the least qualified, and extremely untrustworthy, commenter on GH testing, srcs, legitimacy, etc.

And I've yet too see any retractions from you, nor have the dogs been unleashed on you labeling you a shill. You just quietly ducked away for a few months and have now resurfaced as if nothing happened.

If you really are a doctor, you should be held to an even higher standard, as opposed to none at all. So many people take heat for even posting positive lab work on a source, as some view this as an endorsement to newbies (which I disagree with btw, but it is what it is), and yet here you are calling yourself a doctor claiming 4 positive hplc tests and granting pharm status to a lab that can't even properly label their underdosed gear.

*I'd love to see those tests btw, I'm calling bs on those too, "doc".

If your going to stick around here, I personally think you got some serious 'splaining to do.

 

[flenser]

I'm glad u posted this bro,

I talked with flesner in person, I clarify that very clearly that the Sciroxx he got has nothing to do with me, and proved it, I know, and many of my customers know that Sciroxx has been one of the most, if not the most, faked brand, wish I could control it, but I'm tryint to prove I do my best, so offer to him some comepnsation/samples/whatever u call it, so he may test them, among them is for instance halo (which is by far the most faked AAS as it's also the most expensive and rare one), which we tested for 99% purity, so even labmax will recognize it behind any doubts.

I do agree with flesner, and mentioned it clearly again, that labmax is very unreliable test, exactly from the reasons he mentioned,

I'm just happy to get honest cooperation, this is what I'm here for

Uh, lets not put words in my mouth. I know the tabs were made by Sciroxx, they were not fakes. What I said is that I believe I was wrong about you intentionally substituting dbol for var. I realized you have less control over the contents than I originally believed.

I also agreed it is possible they were tbol with some dbol contamination, since the labmax test would have looked very similar. That would also fit your statement that Astro received the tabs made from bad S. Korea raws that you replaced for everyone that purchased from you.

I'm still happy to labmax the test and tren, but for the record I didn't receive any halo. I know you said you would send some, but I didn't find any in the pack. There was only the two vials.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Flesner - lets start from the products u got (tren and test), I included halo tabs, bizarre ....... I appreciate the honest testings, if you like u may send the products to a mess spec as well, I'm confident with the quality, lik any product which leaves my lab

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Interesting considering your past position on GE-TM generic gh:



And yet with your self proclaimed qualifications, you were either duped... or a shill left out in the cold, for GE-TM.

IMO this makes you the least qualified, and extremely untrustworthy, commenter on GH testing, srcs, legitimacy, etc.

And I've yet too see any retractions from you, nor have the dogs been unleashed on you labeling you a shill. You just quietly ducked away for a few months and have now resurfaced as if nothing happened.

If you really are a doctor, you should be held to an even higher standard, as opposed to none at all. So many people take heat for even posting positive lab work on a source, as some view this as an endorsement to newbies (which I disagree with btw, but it is what it is), and yet here you are calling yourself a doctor claiming 4 positive hplc tests and granting pharm status to a lab that can't even properly label their underdosed gear.

*I'd love to see those tests btw, I'm calling bs on those too, "doc".

If your going to stick around here, I personally think you got some serious 'splaining to do.

Dr. Jim used several types of PHARM GH from GE-TM..

Where did he recommend generic GH from GE-TM or anyone else for that matter?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Flesner - lets start from the products u got (tren and test), I included halo tabs, bizarre ....... I appreciate the honest testings, if you like u may send the products to a mess spec as well, I'm confident with the quality, lik any product which leaves my lab

The tests won't mean a thing if they're positive.. You admitted you sent them to him under the impression he would test them.. Here:

I'm glad u posted this bro,

I talked with flesner in person, I clarify that very clearly that the Sciroxx he got has nothing to do with me, and proved it, I know, and many of my customers know that Sciroxx has been one of the most, if not the most, faked brand, wish I could control it, but I'm tryint to prove I do my best, so offer to him some comepnsation/samples/whatever u call it, so he may test them, among them is for instance halo (which is by far the most faked AAS as it's also the most expensive and rare one), which we tested for 99% purity, so even labmax will recognize it behind any doubts.

I do agree with flesner, and mentioned it clearly again, that labmax is very unreliable test, exactly from the reasons he mentioned,

I'm just happy to get honest cooperation, this is what I'm here for

Not "bizarre" why would he say they weren't included if they were? You're hopeless.

 

[flenser]

Flesner - lets start from the products u got (tren and test), I included halo tabs, bizarre ....... I appreciate the honest testings, if you like u may send the products to a mess spec as well, I'm confident with the quality, lik any product which leaves my lab

I suppose if it were just a few tabs I could have missed them? I agree, it's bizarre.

 

[Western-Biotech]

purple small tabs bro - must be there ... if not no worriex, we'll test the test and tren meanwhile

 

[dnml]

Dr. Jim used several types of PHARM GH from GE-TM..

Where did he recommend generic GH from GE-TM or anyone else for that matter?

If that's the case, why does he say "a diverse gh product range" and "pharm GRADE"?

And where does he say he used several pharm gh brands? All I recall and found when searching was generic and pharm grade. Why not just say Sero, Geno, Huma, etc??

Again, where does he say he used several PHARM gh's?

And you aren't denying he was pushing GETM very strongly, are you? It's pretty black and white IMO...

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

If that's the case, why does he say "a diverse gh product range" and "pharm GRADE"?

And where does he say he used several pharm gh brands? All I recall and found when searching was generic and pharm grade. Why not just say Sero, Geno, Huma, etc??

Again, where does he say he used several PHARM gh's?

And you aren't denying he was pushing GETM very strongly, are you? It's pretty black and white IMO...

I'm not denying that at all.. 6 months ago he was a public supporter of them.. GETM had a pharm GH list.. I'm simply saying he wasn't talking about generics..

 

[dnml]

I'm not denying that at all.. GETM had a pharm GH list.. I'm simply saying he wasn't talking about generics..

I see. I very clearly remember him saying he wouldn't buy generics from anyone EXCEPT GE-TM.

His post I quoted lines up with that. Doesn't make sense that he would test 4 diff pharm gh's (to make sure they weren't counterfeit??), and then instead of saying the XYZ brand gh is legit, he says it's definitely pharm grade. Doesn't add up for me.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

I see. I very clearly remember him saying he wouldn't buy generics from anyone EXCEPT GE-TM.

His post I quoted lines up with that. Doesn't make sense that he would test 4 diff pharm gh's (to make sure they weren't counterfeit??), and then instead of saying the XYZ brand gh is legit, he says it's definitely pharm grade. Doesn't add up for me.

I could be wrong but that's not how I read it..

 

[Flounder]

You should read my comment to him Flounder as it applly to you as well. Everyone can have an opinion.

I believe you are one of the ones who attacked me initial no having a clue about the situation.



Never said you did buddy! All I meant is if you don't have experience with Karl or his GH why even say anything? It's a serious question and I'm not being a dick. I really want to know.

That question goes for anyone that post about a source that has no personal experience with that source. Most are just regurgitating what they have heard from a buddy who heard from a buddy.

I went back and read elements posts and I don't see why I'm targeting him. He really didn't say much about the GH or question me. I think he was questioning ufcguy? Which UFC is a good guy and been around a while and I think I took offense.

I apologize element for the personal attacks. It should been directed to others that don't have any experience with Karl and his GH and are talking shit.

mands

I find it interesting that you chose to suggest I was part of a group who attacked you. I actually reviewed all my posts on this thread and I have had ZERO contact with you Mands. I will thank you now for your future apology to me for making an attacking comment directed at me. As for me voicing my opinion about anything, I am sorry to inform you Mands but you do not get to dictate who, what or how things are said on this thread. You do not have the right to control this thread or it's direction. I respect you Mands, as I try to respect all members. But on this topic, you are wrong. And, if you noticed, I have not even made a comment recently about anything as it pertains to Karl or his GH product. I still am not comfortable making a purchase from Karl, but that is just my own issue. So I will refrain from commenting on anything other than people's statements trying to be oppressed or if I see someone trying to control the thread. I will patiently await that apology.

 

[flenser]

purple small tabs bro - must be there ... if not no worriex, we'll test the test and tren meanwhile

I must have missed them, sorry. The hazards of being 50 and half blind...

On a side issue, I do know someone who purchased products directly from you in March of this year and received var that labmaxed as dbol. My understanding is the var was a substitution for products he ordered but were out of stock. He told me in PM because he feels he hasn't been here long enough to post it in public. He says he has all the emails between himself and your gmail account, including one where you accused him of not paying.

I haven't seen the emails, and TBH don't have much interest in doing so. But if he agrees and you agree, I will post them here and let Meso decide what they mean.

 

[flenser]

I find it interesting that you chose to suggest I was part of a group who attacked you. I actually reviewed all my posts on this thread and I have had ZERO contact with you Mands. I will thank you now for your future apology to me for making an attacking comment directed at me. As for me voicing my opinion about anything, I am sorry to inform you Mands but you do not get to dictate who, what or how things are said on this thread. You do not have the right to control this thread or it's direction. I respect you Mands, as I try to respect all members. But on this topic, you are wrong. And, if you noticed, I have not even made a comment recently about anything as it pertains to Karl or his GH product. I still am not comfortable making a purchase from Karl, but that is just my own issue. So I will refrain from commenting on anything other than people's statements trying to be oppressed or if I see someone trying to control the thread. I will patiently await that apology.

I expect he meant me. That's not the first time someone cursed you because they thought you were me : )

@mands you and I are still OK I hope. I'm not attacking anyone here, least of all you. My apology for calling you out stands.

 

[Colt44]

I'm confused. Are we allowed to have opinions yet or not?

 

[Flounder]

You are probably right Flenser. I guess I am just a little shocked at the reaction from Mands.

 

[mands]

What are you shocked about? I was attacked on the initial posts I made when I said I was testing Karl's gh. Then when I post results I have people saying they don't believe it and still question it.

If anyone here had put in a ton of work and shelled out their own time and money they would be a little defensive as well! Hell I was called out buy more than one here on this thread.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

I see. I very clearly remember him saying he wouldn't buy generics from anyone EXCEPT GE-TM.

His post I quoted lines up with that. Doesn't make sense that he would test 4 diff pharm gh's (to make sure they weren't counterfeit??), and then instead of saying the XYZ brand gh is legit, he says it's definitely pharm grade. Doesn't add up for me.

What are you new to this game of UGLs? You believe it's the first time a UGL initially sold high end gear (and MANY vets have said the SAME DAMN THING) only to lie, cheat, barter or steal as a means of continuing sales as the quality declined.

(FYI, I LEFT MESO BC OF A DISAGREEMENT WITH ADMIN, NOTHING MORE OR LESS, WHY DON'T YOU ASK THEM DIRECTLY, AND PERHAPS THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO YANK THAT FOOT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!)

So if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground you would have recognized that's exactly what happened to GETM.

Moreover you are absolutely FOS if you believe I've EVER recommended a generic GH product. Post the damn quote fool because until you do your talking out your ASS.

Finally I NEVER was involved in the administrative aspect of GETM and NEVER made one cent out of their endeavors on Meso or anywhere else,

You have proof to the contrary? Ten grand says HELL NO YOU DONT.

SO ON ALL ACCOUNTS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP, BOZO!

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

What are you new to this game of UGLs? You believe it's the first time a UGL initially sold high end gear (and MANY vets have said the SAME DAMN THING) only to lie, cheat, barter or steal as a means of continuing sales as the quality declined.

I LEFT MESO BC OF A DISAGREEMENT WITH ADMIN, NOTHING MORE OR LESS, WHY DON'T YOU ASK THEM DIRECTLY, AND PERHAPS THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO YANK THAT FOOT OUT OF YOUR MOUTH!

So if you knew your ass from a hole in the ground you would have recognized that's exactly what happened to GETM.

Moreover you are absolutely FOS if you believe I've EVER recommended a generic GH product. Post the damn quote fool because until you do your talking out your ASS.

Finally I NEVER was involved in the administrative aspect of GETM and NEVER made one cent out of their endeavors on Meso or anywhere else,

You have proof to the contrary? Ten grand says HELL NO YOU DONT.

SO ON ALL ACCOUNTS, PUT UP OR SHUT UP, BOZO!

I knew you'd never say anything good about generic GH!!

Now, about the 10k thing, you been hanging out with PC Dr. Jim?? haha