Western-BioTech - Pharma quality GH

[muscle96ss]

For those that have ordered this from Karl what had your T/A been? The wait is longer than expected and I'm wondering of this is normal.

If you are waiting on the new batch, I got word that mine was shipped today. He ships express, so typically it takes 4-5 days.

 

[cobra500]

Thanks guys, I've been waiting since mands ordered his first batch. So I'm a little irritated. We'll see now that others are going out.

 

[bodybuilder_fl]

Ive been waiting for quite a bit too... I was starting to get upset but I guess I am not the only one waiting on it!

 

[Western-Biotech]

We keep shipping the new batch.
We use express courier for the Somastim, need to use contact in customs to get the physical inspection smoothly on the way out, I'll have tracks weekend or immediately after, some tracks were supplied already like to muscles96

The delivery is 100% safe and smooth while living our side, this is why we use this contact

I updated each and every customer, they'll all land soon

 

[Mr.Bravo]

So where are the test results karl?

 

[Western-Biotech]

Bravo - Assume u refer to mess spec and AA seq - Should have results in a week, Forwarded to an independent lab, I'll show uncensored details to the admin so he may confirm it's a FDA approved lab

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

Bravo - Assume u refer to mess spec and AA seq - Should have results in a week, Forwarded to an independent lab, I'll show uncensored details to the admin so he may confirm it's a FDA approved lab

He means the tests you SHOULD already have that prove you made hGH, not new tests. IOW, the tests you DO NOT have because they WERE NOT done.

BTW, you've been here long enough to know the "admin" will not get involved with your operation in any way, shape or form. Post what you have on the open forum. Anything you can't post should be considered worthless.

 

[Western-Biotech]

It means you have no clue on what u claim, the product was proven beyond any doubt to be GH of 99.5% purity, the protocol we use is concluded with biological assay test which asses precisely the clinical effect of this specific peptide, nothing may give more accurate indication and evaluation.

Doc Jim made up some nonsense claims, you asked for further tests, it can't hurt no one, so I follow it, and to prove their validity I do it on an independent lab, so no one may say I copied it or god knows what.

If u had any interest in the truth u would made lab tests like other members here, such tests are the real tests, as you test what u order and pay for in an unbiased way, but you prefer to hide behind the drama u like to create and contribute nil.

 

[Flounder]

Oh Christ here we go again. This is the same argument that has been going on for how long now? I fucking gave up because you can only beat a dead horse for so long. Sorry but my patience ran out weeks ago.

 

[Western-Biotech]

It's u guys who made with the leadership of the Doc this baseless shit. Go now to any university, I mean really go, send an inquiry, and ask the department of biotechnology if conducting SDS-page, SEC and biological assay test won't prove beyond any doubt, and is actually superior in its evaluation to AA-seq or mess spec, it actually defines the purity, and confirms the clinical effect,

And of course 99% of what has been going on here is bla bla BS, anyone who has any interest would test it long ago, like others here, test it, not post about it baseless speculations

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

It means you have no clue on what u claim, the product was proven beyond any doubt to be GH of 99.5% purity, the protocol we use is concluded with biological assay test which asses precisely the clinical effect of this specific peptide, nothing may give more accurate indication and evaluation.

I am going to make this as clear as possible so you can't use the language excuse. The following points are facts, Karl. They are NOT my opinion or the result of the influence of others:


[Please read the following carefully before you lash out with more personal attacks]

The ONLY tests we've seen that CONFIRM the presence of GH were those submitted by Mands. You, Karl, have posted NOTHING.

The ONLY thing Mands tests proved is that SOMEONE made GH but they DON'T prove it was you.

You've been asked repeatedly to post YOUR tests and you have not done so. Instead, you have chosen to hide behind the language barrier, pretending you don't comprehend what's being asked in order to deflect from a very simple fact: You have been UNABLE to provide ANY previous analytical testing data that would help prove YOU "MADE" GH. And since you CANNOT provide that data, the ONLY logical conclusion that can be drawn is that you DO NOT have it because the testing was NEVER done.

ANY new tests from you will almost certainly be done on legit GH that you could have purchased for the purpose of the test, and for that reason they will carry little weight.

HAD you been able to post your PRIOR data, it would have at least HELPED prove that you are making GH. Since you WERE UNABLE to do that, it unequivocally proves that YOU ARE NOT.

Unfortunately, you have now LOST that opportunity and your claim of producing GH will forever be in doubt.

 

[Western-Biotech]

And to make it clear, as your claim is not valid - Follow our procedure of SDS-page, SEC, and biological assay tests and you know beyond any doubt you have HGH, and asses it's clinical effect, if you want to prove me wrong do what Mands did and test it by any other means u like to- you'll repeatedly and accurately get the same confirmation on the results I stated on just like Mands did, why don't u test it ?

Are you an analytic chemist to make such claims ? may u bring any analytic chemist that may back up your claims ? may u bring any analytic chemist to confirm our procedure with my analytic chemist ? you're welcome to and I'll be glad to hear his opinion, My chemist is always available for u.

Now someone has to put an end to this nonsense, not a single source has never ever proved like I did that follows a methodical pharma standards, and made available for u a chemist (who is a professor) so u may bring your expert and make a valid discussion and conclusions. Not a single independent full and thorough test here (like Mands did in a USA university) has ever shown 99.5% purity . You actually consume here all day bathroom brewers offerings FFS.
I said and proved our method yeilds pharma grade purity and potency, other tests also proved it. Bring an expert that may refute my claims, or best bring an independent lab test that may prove me wrong

Test it, pls do ! or stop the nonsense

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Karl you do realize the molecular weight isnt correct for hgh, thats a fact.

 

[Western-Biotech]

If you would read the comments on my professor u would realize that this is the way the color markers indicates it . Would u imagine that we post results of HGH which doesn't carry the molecular weight of GH ? do u think that our biological assay would indicate on the distinct prolifiration effect of HGH as defined in USP and it's not GH ?! and following this it was found in more then a dozen of serum tests as pharma quality, as well as universities tests as GH ! so it's not GH just cause the Doc may think that he has something smart to say ?! I'll quote below again the reply from my professor

Quote of the relevant pars -

1. The purity of the protein is determined by SDS-PAGE in presence of reducing agent which shows the purity and the approximate molecular mass of the protein. However as SDS-PAGE is conducted in presence of detergent (SDS) it does not distinguish between non-covalent oligomers or dimers. Therefore we also test the protein by size exclusion chromatography (SEC) in buffer pH 8 without detergent which is capable to show whether the tested protein is a pure monomer. Once both tests are positive no additional test by Mass Spectrometry (MS) is required. However MS tests were occasionally performed and when tested they always showed over 95-98% purity and the expected molecular mass of about 22106 or 22130 Da. Please note that in some cases the stained molecular mass standards are not accurate. Thus for example molecular mass standards showed inaccurate molecular mass of hGH of ~19 kDa, while mass spectrometry of the same sample (in two tests) showed molecular mass of 22,106 and 22,130 Dalton compared to the theoretical value of 22,124 Dalton.
   
   
2. The biological activity is tested in FDC-P1-9D11 cells stably transfected with human growth hormone receptor as described by Solomon et al. (2006) Growth Hormone & IGF Research 16 , 297–307. Compared to other commercially available recombinant human growth hormones (from Serono of BTG) our preparations exhibit identical or even slightly higher biological activity.
   

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Karl you do realize the problem here, the test you posted shows that the mw isn t correct in addition we will talk about purity when we get there. Where is the proof you produce hgh, did I miss that part? Karl again the purity isnt the problem as mands proved but you didnt prove you made his hgh. So lets not talk purity as it can give some newb cowboys a false sense of security.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

If you would read the comments on my professor u would realize that this is the way the color markers indicates it . Would u imagine that we post results of HGH which doesn't carry the molecular weight of GH ? do u think that our biological assay would indicate on the distinct prolifiration effect of HGH as defined in USP and it's not GH ?! and following this it was found in more then a dozen of serum tests as pharma quality, as well as universities tests as GH ! so it's not GH just cause the Doc may think that he has something smart to say ?! I'll quote below again the reply from my professor1

Quote of the relevant pars -

1. The purity of the protein is determined by SDS-PAGE in presence of reducing agent which shows the purity and the approximate molecular mass of the protein. However as SDS-PAGE is conducted in presence of detergent (SDS) it does not distinguish between non-covalent oligomers or dimers. Therefore we also test the protein by size exclusion chromatography (SEC) in buffer pH 8 without detergent which is capable to show whether the tested protein is a pure monomer. Once both tests are positive no additional test by Mass Spectrometry (MS) is required. However MS tests were occasionally performed and when tested they always showed over 95-98% purity and the expected molecular mass of about 22106 or 22130 Da. Please note that in some cases the stained molecular mass standards are not accurate. Thus for example molecular mass standards showed inaccurate molecular mass of hGH of ~19 kDa, while mass spectrometry of the same sample (in two tests) showed molecular mass of 22,106 and 22,130 Dalton compared to the theoretical value of 22,124 Dalton.
   
   
2. The biological activity is tested in FDC-P1-9D11 cells stably transfected with human growth hormone receptor as described by Solomon et al. (2006) Growth Hormone & IGF Research 16 , 297–307. Compared to other commercially available recombinant human growth hormones (from Serono of BTG) our preparations exhibit identical or even slightly higher biological activity.

Where are the other two tests that showed the correct mw?

 

[Flounder]

It's useless Mr.Bravo to ask him about the molecular weight of his prior testing because he just always comes back these statements from someone he calls his professor. And we are to accept these statements as fact, when anyone can say whatever they want to fit the answer. How about the tests that back these statements up? They do not exist so these statements should not be accepted as fact.

 

[Mr.Bravo]

Ok so at this juncture its safe to say he dosnt produce hgh, purity is stellar for now but how long until one of ower own gets fucked cause he is a reseller nothing more. Again why are people buying, by doing this it sends the message that its every man for himself. Thats not why I joined meso, I thought were suppos3d to look out for each other.

 

[Western-Biotech]

Aha - and you're guys are the authority for analytic chemistry, and above all to SDS-page tests ... would be very careful with such claims as you have no Fn clue, and all tests confirmed and will confirm my statements as a fact

so Mr. Bravo - I don't produce GH ?I so what I do ? paying to all of my customers to post results of pharma grade GH ?

If you have any doubts make an anonymous order, make SDS-page tests, or any other tests, and learn for yourself.Test it and know like everyone else

Repeating ton the nonsense Doc Jim posted really don't make your claims valid, and I'm sorry for this as I assume you have honest pretensions

 

[Flounder]

I haven't seen any information that supports he is the producer of the hgh he sells. And Karl you certainly are not an authority for analytic chemistry so fuck you. So by your definition the only authority is your professor who we don't even know exists. Nice Karl.